chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Ive been offered a job in Sydney with sponsorship , but in comparison to my current role it does not compare well in terms of benefits .. ie paid holidays , sickness pay , life assurance and hours of work , salary slightly better though . It has taken a lonnnng time to get to this stage . What would you do ? [emoji20] [emoji33] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Ive been offered a job in Sydney with sponsorship , but in comparison to my current role it does not compare well in terms of benefits .. ie paid holidays , sickness pay , life assurance and hours of work , salary slightly better though . It has taken a lonnnng time to get to this stage . What would you do ? [emoji20] [emoji33] if I was you I'd weigh up if you going to be better off or if you are going to struggle ...Sydney isn't cheap to live ...nowhere is in aus lol ....not really ...don't think people can answer what would you do ...it took alng time for most people to get to your stage ....depending what job u do ...if ya happy where u are ...you have nice house ...stability ....holidays abroad ...financially ok ...if I knew what I knew now I would 100 percent of stayed put ...but now I'm here I'll give it all I've got ...even if I whinge my butt off in the process ...gone past caring what people think now ...lol good luck whatever you decide ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I just read ya post to my oh when he just rang ...he said for us if he could just appear now back in the uk ...back in our house sit on the sofa ...have family around ...my kids pick up where they left off ....jobs were plentiful in uk for my oh ...he would do it in a heart beat ...but because we have the kids consider now here and my house is rented out ...things are not as simple as that now lol ....but he's positive all the same about this job ....it's just the living apart we hate ATM ...just keep taken each week as they come ...but my friend has just gone Amsterdam today for a couple of week ...that would of been us with them and I took a chance on aus ...don't get me wrong it's not that he's not had work it's just the hassle the ups and downs and 2.5 yrs in and still in limbo ...I think a lot have or would of packed up and left by now lol ...but now u have the offer the seeds planted you've gotta try it ...just don't sell ya house in uk especially if you are sponsored ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Thankyou for taking the time to reply. This position has been in the pipeline for over 12 months now, and they flew me over to Sydney at the end of last year to meet them but I have only recently received all the information I need to make a decision to uproot my family . ..thanks again :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 What are they offering regarding holidays and sick pay and other benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 What are they offering regarding holidays and sick pay and other benefits? 4 weeks holiday 8 days sick pay + super Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 4 weeks holiday 8 days sick pay + super Looks standard, except my sick pay was always 10 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Looks standard, except my sick pay was always 10 days Based on 12 hour shifts so actually equals 12 days per year + bank holidays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Based on 12 hour shifts so actually equals 12 days per year + bank holidays ???? How do you work that out? what are the full details of the offer? In what industry, what role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 ???? How do you work that out? what are the full details of the offer? In what industry, what role? The job is a 3 on 4 off role on a 12 hr shift . which equals a 36 hr week .. so the paid holidays on offer are 4 weeks .. which in effect are 12 days , within the manufacturing industry , its a specialised role .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The job is a 3 on 4 off role on a 12 hr shift . which equals a 36 hr week .. so the paid holidays on offer are 4 weeks .. which in effect are 12 days , within the manufacturing industry , its a specialised role .. The holidays are in line with everyone else's in the country. I think your 36hr week is a good deal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scattley Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Sounds standard. Only bank workers have bank holidays as leave. If 12 days means you do not have to come in for four calendar weeks again that is standard. Only a small number of occupations (teachers) and companies give you more than that (e.g. If the company closes down between Xmas and new year they might give you that week in addition to the four weeks) but all you have mentioned is as good as you are going to get for any position you are offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Thankyou wakeboard and scattley .. I currently work a 4 on 4 off shift pattern 12 hours .. I get 31 days holiday + 3 months sick pay + life assurance .. I am starting to think that my dreams of a better life style / more time with my young family in Aus are not going to be better than I have here .. #confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Holidays include 4 paid bank holidays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Thankyou wakeboard and scattley .. I currently work a 4 on 4 off shift pattern 12 hours .. I get 31 days holiday + 3 months sick pay + life assurance .. I am starting to think that my dreams of a better life style / more time with my young family in Aus are not going to be better than I have here .. #confused I think you will actually have about 10 more days a year off in Aus over the whole year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 I think you will actually have about 10 more days a year off in Aus over the whole year. Really ? Please explain [emoji53] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Don't forget to factor in the cost of education on a 457 visa (assume that's what you're talking about). $5k per child per year, no benefits etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Really ? Please explain [emoji53] 7 day cycle in Aus =52 cycles, 4 days off per cycle + your 12 days holidays = 220 days off per year 8 day cycle in UK = 45.62 cycles, 4 days off per cycle + 31 days holidays = 213.5 days off per year So 6.5 days extra in Aus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 7 day cycle in Aus =52 cycles, 4 days off per cycle + your 12 days holidays = 220 days off per year8 day cycle in UK = 45.62 cycles, 4 days off per cycle + 31 days holidays = 213.5 days off per year So 6.5 days extra in Aus. You could not have explained it better , thankyou .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 My hubby was a contractor here ...he's not long taken a job back in wa ....but a permanent job ....he's took a 50k pay drop on what he was earning contracting ...but when he worked it out ...he gets 4 weeks holidays a yr it's a 8 till 5 job mon to fri ....they pay his super ..so he worked it out and actually u factor in tax super hols ....he's no worse off than contracting and got a bit more stability than contracting ATM the way things are ....so he said it's actually perfect for us if we were all there together lol ...but I got see my lad finish school now so if this doesn't work out which he said it will ...I carnt take nomore and that will be that ...but when my boy finishes school I only 9 months to citizen so hoping to hang in there really then we will see where we at ...but u get lots of public holidays here so it works out ok the holiday situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungo Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ive been offered a job in Sydney with sponsorship , but in comparison to my current role it does not compare well in terms of benefits .. ie paid holidays , sickness pay , life assurance and hours of work , salary slightly better though . It has taken a lonnnng time to get to this stage . What would you do ? [emoji20] [emoji33] The best employee benefits and working conditions are going to be found in Europe. Australia is not as bad as the U.S., but is not close to Europe. In my Australian company everyone got 20 days leave no matter how senior, I moved back and my UK employer gives everyone 30 days leave. People work hard in Australia, it is all about whether you think there are other benefits of being here that outweigh any downsides. We thought there was as we just loved being in Australia. But certainly moving to Australia for better finances or employment conditions does not stack up with my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) If the sponsorship is for a 457 visa at a salary that is not much more than you get in the UK and you have a young family, you should think very seriously about the whole deal. Living in Sydney is extremely expensive, you'll have to pay school fees for your children (5k per child in a government school or higher fees in a private school) and you will not be eligible for any Family Tax Benefits. If your partner wants to work, the cost of childcare will be very high. For most families in Australia, that cost is substantially reduced by the government Childcare Allowance (CCA) and Childcare Rebate (CCR) but 457 visa holders are not eligible for either. IMO, if they're currently offering sponsorship for a 457, you should be holding out for immediate sponsorship for a 186 which is a permanent visa. On a 186, there will be no school fees for tuition in a government school (or lower private school fees), eligibility for Family Tax Benefits plus CCA and CCR. Downsides are that you will need skills assessment before you can apply for a Direct Entry 186, the VAC is higher and you will all need medicals. Edited March 7, 2015 by Ozmaniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenzo Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 If the sponsorship is for a 457 visa at a salary that is not much more than you get in the UK and you have a young family, you should think very seriously about the whole deal. Living in Sydney is extremely expensive, you'll have to pay school fees for your children (5k per child in a government school or higher fees in a private school) and you will not be eligible for any Family Tax Benefits. If your partner wants to work, the cost of childcare will be very high. For most families in Australia, that cost is substantially reduced by the government Childcare Allowance (CCA) and Childcare Rebate (CCR) but 457 visa holders are not eligible for either. IMO, if they're currently offering sponsorship for a 457, you should be holding out for immediate sponsorship for a 186 which is a permanent visa. On a 186, there will be no school fees for tuition in a government school (or lower private school fees), eligibility for Family Tax Benefits plus CCA and CCR. Downsides are that you will need skills assessment before you can apply for a Direct Entry 186, the VAC is higher and you will all need medicals. Thankyou for your very informative reply , it has all the nuts and bolts I need to make my decision , what is the VAC though ? [emoji53] If the sponsorship is for a 457 visa at a salary that is not much more than you get in the UK and you have a young family, you should think very seriously about the whole deal. Living in Sydney is extremely expensive, you'll have to pay school fees for your children (5k per child in a government school or higher fees in a private school) and you will not be eligible for any Family Tax Benefits. If your partner wants to work, the cost of childcare will be very high. For most families in Australia, that cost is substantially reduced by the government Childcare Allowance (CCA) and Childcare Rebate (CCR) but 457 visa holders are not eligible for either. IMO, if they're currently offering sponsorship for a 457, you should be holding out for immediate sponsorship for a 186 which is a permanent visa. On a 186, there will be no school fees for tuition in a government school (or lower private school fees), eligibility for Family Tax Benefits plus CCA and CCR. Downsides are that you will need skills assessment before you can apply for a Direct Entry 186, the VAC is higher and you will all need medicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 If the sponsorship is for a 457 visa at a salary that is not much more than you get in the UK and you have a young family, you should think very seriously about the whole deal. Living in Sydney is extremely expensive, you'll have to pay school fees for your children (5k per child in a government school or higher fees in a private school) and you will not be eligible for any Family Tax Benefits. If your partner wants to work, the cost of childcare will be very high. For most families in Australia, that cost is substantially reduced by the government Childcare Allowance (CCA) and Childcare Rebate (CCR) but 457 visa holders are not eligible for either. IMO, if they're currently offering sponsorship for a 457, you should be holding out for immediate sponsorship for a 186 which is a permanent visa. On a 186, there will be no school fees for tuition in a government school (or lower private school fees), eligibility for Family Tax Benefits plus CCA and CCR. Downsides are that you will need skills assessment before you can apply for a Direct Entry 186, the VAC is higher and you will all need medicals. Also what about private medical insurance???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Ive been offered a job in Sydney with sponsorship , but in comparison to my current role it does not compare well in terms of benefits .. ie paid holidays , sickness pay , life assurance and hours of work , salary slightly better though . It has taken a lonnnng time to get to this stage . What would you do ? [emoji20] [emoji33] Also although a small detail, not only don't sell the house but also keep on paying your NI subscription, it's only a small amount but keeps all your benefits going INCLUDING YOUR PENSION RIGHTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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