MARYROSE02 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 $80 000 I read that an Irish couple would have to pay to join their adult children in Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Well, let's throw the question to the floor... How much did you pay to get here? From memory, I paid about 3k for visas direct to DIAC. 2k for skills assessment. 5k for flights. another 10k for a car. probably another 10k for setting up a house. Not quite 25k per head, but still a significant amount. And the amount paid by the Australian govt for my being here? nil. If I tries to bring a relative over here, they'd pay about the same. That's the reality. Search the forum posts if you don't believe me. Why is this bull ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Why is this bull ? Do I really need to explain? Yes I do. Xenon is comparing setting up costs (visa, flights, car, house etc) with the $25,000 PER ASYLUM SEEKER, just to be allowed to set foot in the country. He's being disingenuous, not comparing like with like, but that's par for the course with your lot, throwing up straw man arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't know why the leftie media keep publishing all these horrible stories about life in the detention camps. They are just doing Morrison's job for him and saving money for the govt. Who would want to pay a smuggler for passage to OzParadise after seeing the reality of it all?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't know why the leftie media keep publishing all these horrible stories about life in the detention camps. They are just doing Morrison's job for him and saving money for the govt. Who would want to pay a smuggler for passage to OzParadise after seeing the reality of it all?! brain fart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Farts and Harps and Turds and Turps. I love your life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 This is worth a read. Dave & co excluded, its a bit long for them. http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/12/13/taliban-targets-afghan-family-scott-morrison-stalls/14183892001364#.VIwyFYqUets Lies, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 This is worth a read. Dave & co excluded, its a bit long for them. http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/12/13/taliban-targets-afghan-family-scott-morrison-stalls/14183892001364#.VIwyFYqUets Lies, obviously. .......I do think until more personal stories are printed..... .......many will not grasp the shear desperation of these people.... .......statistics are just numbers...... .......real experiences touch our hearts...... ........and hopefully more will be done to help....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Under leftie proposals Taliban and ISIL and any other terrorist organisations would be welcome in Australia provided they answer just one question. Are you an asylum seeker? Answer yes. Welcome to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 PS if you think the above is BS remember that the left say it is not a crime to seek asylum and it is not a crime to throw your ID away SO what would the correct response be to a boat load of ISIL or TALIBAN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Lest we forget the babies being sent to Nauru. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/locked-in-limbo-australias-forgotten-asylum-seeker-babies-20141213-12644f.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm sure a baby doesn't care where it is as long as it is with Mum and Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm sure a baby doesn't care where it is as long as it is with Mum and Dad. I pity you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike@Bonbeach Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Do I really need to explain? Yes I do. Xenon is comparing setting up costs (visa, flights, car, house etc) with the $25,000 PER ASYLUM SEEKER, just to be allowed to set foot in the country. He's being disingenuous, not comparing like with like, but that's par for the course with your lot, throwing up straw man arguments From memory we paid around $75,000 fro our visas, including $14,000 AOS paid for by my son, and we are no burden to the Aussie taxpayer, in fact we contribute to the ATO with the tax we pay on our UK pensions. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 From memory we paid around $75,000 fro our visas, including $14,000 AOS paid for by my son, and we are no burden to the Aussie taxpayer, in fact we contribute to the ATO with the tax we pay on our UK pensions.Mike assuming what you are saying is the truth, do you think it is acceptable to expect $25,000 per head to allow asylum seekers to enter Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Better than letting them cone for nothing tho I'd prefer they don't cone at all. Incidentally, if people with no money and no assets are such a benefit to Australia, why does the Govt charge so much and make it so difficult for genuine migrants to come here? Wouldn't it be better to just let everybody in free regardless of where they are from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 assuming what you are saying is the truth, do you think it is acceptable to expect $25,000 per head to allow asylum seekers to enter Australia? Personally, I don't think it's acceptable. But I'm not an asylum seeker. Maybe you should ask them if they'd be prepared to pay. You might be surprised at the answer. And just to go back to the costs that most of us have paid, which you claim is "bull". How much do you think it would cost, per annum, to set up an asylum seeker family to enable them to live on the mainland? As much as my "bull" figure? Or more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Personally, I don't think it's acceptable. But I'm not an asylum seeker. Maybe you should ask them if they'd be prepared to pay. You might be surprised at the answer. And just to go back to the costs that most of us have paid, which you claim is "bull". How much do you think it would cost, per annum, to set up an asylum seeker family to enable them to live on the mainland? As much as my "bull" figure? Or more? How much is it costing to keep them where they are? With absolutely no chance of them 'putting back in' to the economy/community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Too much, but I think we have saved about $1B by stopping the boats, compared to amount spent managing Asylum Seekers under Labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Too much, but I think we have saved about $1B by stopping the boats, compared to amount spent managing Asylum Seekers under Labor. Considering the cost of offshore detention and Operation Sovereign Borders comes to about $4B, that's not exactly value for money is it? Unless you value unspeakable cruelty to desperate people as 'PRICELESS' as per the Mastercard Ads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Harpo, do you know 2014 is the 1st year since 2008 where there has not been a single drowning at sea by someone trying to come Australia illegally by boat. Saving countless lives is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Would like to know how much some of them paid their people smugglers to get on their dodgy boats to come here. Pity some people on here weren't so critical of the past government as they had nearly 2000 children in detention centres, since the election and the boats have been stopped no more children have been added to this figure I believe its now around the 900 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Under leftie proposals Taliban and ISIL and any other terrorist organisations would be welcome in Australia provided they answer just one question. Are you an asylum seeker? Answer yes. Welcome to Australia. PS if you think the above is BS remember that the left say it is not a crime to seek asylum and it is not a crime to throw your ID away SO what would the correct response be to a boat load of ISIL or TALIBAN? duckspeak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny842003 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Harpodom having just skim read some of this topic I have a few questions. 1 do you accept that any if not a majority of these people are economic migrants? 2 what is your answer to separating real asylum seekers from economic migrants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Harpodom having just skim read some of this topic I have a few questions. 1 do you accept that any if not a majority of these people are economic migrants? 2 what is your answer to separating real asylum seekers from economic migrants? You won't get answers only to blame current government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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