saren Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I am coming to Australia next month, on a WHV, and I'm turning 31 by the time it ends, what possibilities are there to stay in Australia for another year? The 2nd year WHV is not an option due to age, and I know about Skills elect Subclass 457 visa, but let's assume i don't qualify for it, is there anything else I can try? The reason i want to stay in Australia permanently is because i want to continue working. The field of work is open, and non-specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizOz Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It would all depend on what skills/qualifications you have and whether you can gain sponsorship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 If you are saying you don't qualify for any of those visas then no. Other than marrying an Aussie or studying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saren Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Let's assume i am an entry level person, with no particular skills. Forget about study, or marriage. Let's say i want to pick fruits for the next 5 years. How do those berry pickers from NZ do it? I've heard they spend a perpetual amount of time going from place to place around Australia (and they are not backpackers, and are over 30), so how they do it visa wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's completely different for NZ citizens as they have work rights. Not sure there are any other options for a person in your position other than study etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Yes, they can get special visas as New Zealand citizens. Although they are only ever temporary ones unless they train or marry an Aussie. You have no options I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Not as a berry picker certainly. Australia a few years ago was starting a scheme that would allow folk from the Islands in the Pacific,a visa to work a limited time doing farm work etc,to assist their economies but the folk would be required to return after a time. There is little opportunity for others to go down this path. As stated those desperate enough to stay may find a way. Marriage as in UK the often cited one.Saying that they access if they consider the marriage to be genuine or not. Study will cost .....but could be a way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterhuli Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I reckon marriage would be a better option than picking fruit for 5 years!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saren Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Forget marriage for obvious reason, or study (for it's costly). What are the procedures involved if an Australian professional, business owner, etc.. chooses to sponsor an entry level person during his WHV, to work with him indefinitely? Let's assume he/she is not hiring the person for his work skills per se, rather for his expertise, or consultancy? Also, as a kind of informal favour to help him out because he likes him to stay longer. Ask him to stay as a Kind of personal healer, or trainer? I know it's not in the list of the Skills select list of approved professions, but is that list written in stone? I mean aren't there some services a foreigner can provide Australians, (even 1 Australian, in thie case the sponsor) that are not already listed. Like for example, a personal healer? A personal astrologer? A personal coach? I know there are Australians out there that can do this instead of me, but let's say the sponsor wants me because I'm not Australian, in the sense that I have some foreign knowledge which he needs access to (on a long-term basis). Like a personal cook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Forget marriage for obvious reason, or study (for it's costly). What are the procedures involved if an Australian professional, business owner, etc.. chooses to sponsor an entry level person during his WHV, to work with him indefinitely? Let's assume he/she is not hiring the person for his work skills per se, rather for his expertise, or consultancy? Also, as a kind of informal favour to help him out because he likes him to stay longer. Ask him to stay as a Kind of personal healer, or trainer? I know it's not in the list of the Skills select list of approved professions, but is that list written in stone? I mean aren't there some services a foreigner can provide Australians, (even 1 Australian, in thie case the sponsor) that are not already listed. Like for example, a personal healer? A personal astrologer? A personal coach? I know there are Australians out there that can do this instead of me, but let's say the sponsor wants me because I'm not Australian, in the sense that I have some foreign knowledge which he needs access to (on a long-term basis). Like a personal cook? Your question has already been answered. If the occupation is not on the skilled occupation lists then there will be no work related visa and of course it is not possible to sponsor someone just because you like them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickachu Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 With no skills, and not being from NZ you basically have no chance. Just enjoy the time you can spend here, not worrying about trying to stay longer. Then if you want to come back go and get skills that they need here and come back in 5-10 years. Probably moreso the 10 year time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguyinoz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm almost 29 so can do 2 years at least, if I get that far down the line! I've been wondering if I want to stay what the options are. I'm not overly qualified but have 7 years experience in doing accounts, but not being a full accountant. How do you get that recognised if I was to pursue that? Also what are the study options relating to visas as if I decided to stay I would happily do a course to secure my future there and increase my earning potential! No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm almost 29 so can do 2 years at least, if I get that far down the line! I've been wondering if I want to stay what the options are. I'm not overly qualified but have 7 years experience in doing accounts, but not being a full accountant. How do you get that recognised if I was to pursue that? Also what are the study options relating to visas as if I decided to stay I would happily do a course to secure my future there and increase my earning potential! No brainer. http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1-2.pdf You require a occupation on this list if you area able to find a sponsor. Not being a full accountant? You say accounts, you mean purchase/sales ledger sort of thing, accounts assistant. Accountant is one most popular occupations that go through GSM, with over 1000 invitations been invited. Maybe speak to a Registered Migration Agent, to see if your skills and qualifications would be suitable if you did find a sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saren Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 What about this for staying longer in Australia? I am doing a WHV, not eligible for 2nd year, and i get a job where the employer trains me to become skilled in one of the jobs on the SOL, a process that takes longer than I have in Australia, so he offers a sponsorship on a multi year training visa. That way i can stay in Australia, and continue working. Has anyone had that done? How did it go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalis Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Forget marriage for obvious reason, or study (for it's costly). What are the procedures involved if an Australian professional, business owner, etc.. chooses to sponsor an entry level person during his WHV, to work with him indefinitely? Let's assume he/she is not hiring the person for his work skills per se, rather for his expertise, or consultancy? Also, as a kind of informal favour to help him out because he likes him to stay longer. Ask him to stay as a Kind of personal healer, or trainer? I know it's not in the list of the Skills select list of approved professions, but is that list written in stone? I mean aren't there some services a foreigner can provide Australians, (even 1 Australian, in thie case the sponsor) that are not already listed. Like for example, a personal healer? A personal astrologer? A personal coach? I know there are Australians out there that can do this instead of me, but let's say the sponsor wants me because I'm not Australian, in the sense that I have some foreign knowledge which he needs access to (on a long-term basis). Like a personal cook? You are right basically. Ignore the negative nelly's that infest this forum and repeat the lie that sponsorship is close to impossible verbatim. If you are female, pretty (Let's live in the real world shall we Oz is very male dominated business wise) you will have a good chance of being sponsored if you do your homework and work hard. BTW this whole thing about having to be some sort of master welder with 20 years experience to get a 457 is complete rubbish. They can sponsor anyone they like providing they as a business have the cash and know the procedure. They can put you through as a manager of anything if they want you to stay enough. I know a french waiter who got sponsored in Darwin. They just put down he was a supervisor. Anyhow, you don't need to be "skilled". If so, how come I know another guy who was offered sponsorship working on a pearling boat. The common denominator in all sponsorship cases is work ethic and the company knowing their way around procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalis Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 With no skills, and not being from NZ you basically have no chance.. Sorry mate but that's rubbish. I have met dozens of backpackers who either are sponsored or have been offered it and about 50% fall in the tradie or skilled bracket. The rest just work hard and picked the right employer at the right time. It's a complete fallacy repeated ad infinitum on this forum that it is very difficult to get, the trick is picking the right employer in the first place. You have to understand that the vast bulk of this forum is made of posters who are going through the long winded PR way of gaining residency. The idea that someone can come over here in a WHV jolly and bypass all that pisses a lot of them off, therefore someone with or going through PR's opinion on the matter should be taken with a large pinch of salt. Instead, listen more to WHV's who have been or are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Some of the ways you are suggesting are visa fraud! Personally, I would rather not risk my chance of being able to stay for good by getting prosecuted for visa fraud. Just in the last six months the number of people having work place visits from immigration to check they are actually doing the job they claim has shot up. They obviously know they have a problem. I came on a whv originally. There was no way for me to stay. Eventually I trained in something in the uk. I had two different places try to sponsor me while I was still in the uk. I am talking huge work places here who had sponsored before. I had diploma level qualifications but due to stupid rules it couldn't be done. I came to Australia on a student visa thinking I would just get sponsored while here. I found an employer straight off, worked there for a bit and then they tried to sponsor me. They couldn't as my job was too specialised to be on any lists. My husband by this time was working for an ISP, years of experience, qualifications etc. He could only work 20 hours a week on the student visa. They looked into sponsoring him so he could work full time. Nope, it couldn't be done. I ended up finishing my course, getting a job which was on the skills list at the time. Rules changed so that we could only stay through sponsorship. This is a totally legitimate job, in a job on the list of jobs which can get sponsored. And even with this we got turned down first time we applied! My agent was flabbergasted as there wasn't a word wrong in the application. Their refusal said that they had had many people apply who's jobs weren't the job they were nominating. They hadn't even checked! On re-applying with lots of proof that I am actually working in that job, I finally got the visa. It took nearly two years from when we got the agent. Us negative nellys are negative because if you are not committing fraud there is no way of getting a visa if you have no skills. It is hard enough when you do. I know there are a number of people on here who have got visas through committing fraud, and they have to live with themselves for that, but those doors are closing very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 They can put you through as a manager of anything if they want you to stay enough. I know a french waiter who got sponsored in Darwin. They just put down he was a supervisor. Anyhow, you don't need to be "skilled". If so, how come I know another guy who was offered sponsorship working on a pearling boat. The common denominator in all sponsorship cases is work ethic and the company knowing their way around procedure. Someone who is a waiter 'just putting down they are a supervisor'. Definatly visa fraud. Feel free to post a link to this unskilled visa you talk of. I will be happy to go back to the agents I paid good money to, my other halfway company paid good money to, and ask for a refund for duff info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalis Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Ever thought that he may have been an manager in training? blossom you are wrong, I'm right. You had an epic obviously because you did not do your homework. l live in the real world, one where a LOT of WHV get sponsored with no dramas like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Just keep watching the immigration section. They are tightening up, checking work places, refusing far more visas. I know this WAS the case, but they are on it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 You can't back track now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalis Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Someone who is a waiter 'just putting down they are a supervisor'. Definatly visa fraud. Feel free to post a link to this unskilled visa you talk of. I will be happy to go back to the agents I paid good money to, my other halfway company paid good money to, and ask for a refund for duff info. Skilled is as defined by the company as much as DIAC. For example I know for a fact that large entertainment complexs' in Australia like casinos sponsor WHV's. They just promote them to supervisors and take it from there. It's not visa fraud. That's for DIAC to decide not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 If anyone is claiming to be carrying out duties they are not doing, specifically to get a visa that they wouldn't get otherwise, then yes it is fraud. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 No link for that unskilled visa yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Been offered a sponsorship and actually getting sponsored is 2 different things. And yes I have had a WHV who was sponsored for 457. My sponsorship was based on my degree and experience and occupation being on the relevant, there is some flexibility with occupation that can be nominated but it needs to be backed up why the person is suitable for the role. An occupation requires to be on CSOL and meet other criteria to be able to be sponsored I.e minimum salary threshold, just because an employer wishes to pay the minimum amount, and it must be in line with the market rate for the occupation. Minimum salary threshold is currently $51,300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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