Australia is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases per capita.

northshorepom · July 16, 2012

No its not, China is..

It absolutely isn't China

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

And do we look like we care? Roll on the next elections....

Obviously not, shame about that big hole in the ozone layer over oz though.

MicheleW · July 16, 2012

And do we look like we care? Roll on the next elections....

Some of us do.

Peach · July 16, 2012

Lies, dam lies and statistics...

CDIAC released preliminary 2009 and 2010 estimates for a limited number of countries;^[13] the International Energy Agency also released its own estimates.^[14] The following table is lists the 2010 estimate of annual CO₂ emissions estimates (in thousands of CO₂ metric tonnes) from these estimates for the top emitting countries, along with a list of emissions per person (in tons of CO₂ per year).

[TABLE]

[TR]

[TH]Country

[/TH]

[TH]CO₂ emissions^[13][/TH]

[TH]Area (in km²)[/TH]

[TH]Population[/TH]

[TH]Emission / Person[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] World[/TD]

[TD]33,508,901[/TD]

[TD]148,940,000[/TD]

[TD]6,852,472,823[/TD]

[TD]4.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]China[/TD]

[TD]8,240,958[/TD]

[TD]9,640,821[/TD]

[TD]1,339,724,852[/TD]

[TD]6.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]United States[/TD]

[TD]5,492,170[/TD]

[TD]9,826,675[/TD]

[TD]312,793,000[/TD]

[TD]17.6[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]India[/TD]

[TD]2,069,738[/TD]

[TD]3,287,263[/TD]

[TD]1,210,193,422[/TD]

[TD]1.7[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Russia[/TD]

[TD]1,688,688[/TD]

[TD]17,075,400[/TD]

[TD]142,946,800[/TD]

[TD]11.8[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Japan[/TD]

[TD]1,138,432[/TD]

[TD]377,944[/TD]

[TD]128,056,026[/TD]

[TD]8.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Germany[/TD]

[TD]762,543[/TD]

[TD]357,021[/TD]

[TD]81,799,600[/TD]

[TD]9.3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Iran[/TD]

[TD]574,667[/TD]

[TD]1,648,195[/TD]

[TD]75,330,000[/TD]

[TD]7.6[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]South Korea[/TD]

[TD]563,126[/TD]

[TD]100,210[/TD]

[TD]48,875,000[/TD]

[TD]11.5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Canada[/TD]

[TD]518,475[/TD]

[TD]9,984,670[/TD]

[TD]34,685,000[/TD]

[TD]14.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Saudi Arabia[/TD]

[TD]493,726[/TD]

[TD]2,149,690[/TD]

[TD]27,136,977[/TD]

[TD]18.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]

[TD]493,158[/TD]

[TD]243,610[/TD]

[TD]62,262,000[/TD]

[TD]7.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Indonesia[/TD]

[TD]476,557[/TD]

[TD]1,919,440[/TD]

[TD]237,424,363[/TD]

[TD]2.0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Mexico[/TD]

[TD]466,131[/TD]

[TD]1,972,550[/TD]

[TD]112,322,757[/TD]

[TD]4.1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]South Africa[/TD]

[TD]451,839[/TD]

[TD]1,221,037[/TD]

[TD]50,586,757[/TD]

[TD]8.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Brazil[/TD]

[TD]419 537[/TD]

[TD]8,514,877[/TD]

[TD]190,732,694[/TD]

[TD]2.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Italy

[/TD]

[TD]407 924[/TD]

[TD]301,338[/TD]

[TD]60,681,514[/TD]

[TD]6.7[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Australia

[/TD]

[TD]365 513[/TD]

[TD]7,617,930[/TD]

[TD]22,794,166[/TD]

[TD]16.0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] France

[/TD]

[TD]362 556[/TD]

[TD]674,843[/TD]

[TD]65,821,885[/TD]

[TD]5.5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] Poland

[/TD]

[TD]309 985[/TD]

[TD]312,685[/TD]

[TD]38,186,860[/TD]

[TD]8.1[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

July 16, 2012

A bit off topic, but watched a documentary last night called 'The Last Days Of The Dinosaurs'.

I've never really understood why they became extinct, but was fascinating stuff about the meteorite, the impact, the noxious clouds, earthquakes, sea levels and so on.

But still animal life remained, and in the end thrived.

But does make you wonder if the earth is capable again of 'mending' itself if we don't step in fairly quickly and look at our own actions.

Cheers Tony.

northshorepom · July 16, 2012

Lies, dam lies and statistics...

CDIAC released preliminary 2009 and 2010 estimates for a limited number of countries;^[13] the International Energy Agency also released its own estimates.^[14] The following table is lists the 2010 estimate of annual CO₂ emissions estimates (in thousands of CO₂ metric tonnes) from these estimates for the top emitting countries, along with a list of emissions per person (in tons of CO₂ per year).

[TABLE]

[TR]

[TH]Country[/TH]

[TH]CO₂ emissions^[13][/TH]

[TH]Area (in km²)[/TH]

[TH]Population[/TH]

[TH]Emission / Person[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] World[/TD]

[TD]33,508,901[/TD]

[TD]148,940,000[/TD]

[TD]6,852,472,823[/TD]

[TD]4.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]China[/TD]

[TD]8,240,958[/TD]

[TD]9,640,821[/TD]

[TD]1,339,724,852[/TD]

[TD]6.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]United States[/TD]

[TD]5,492,170[/TD]

[TD]9,826,675[/TD]

[TD]312,793,000[/TD]

[TD]17.6[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]India[/TD]

[TD]2,069,738[/TD]

[TD]3,287,263[/TD]

[TD]1,210,193,422[/TD]

[TD]1.7[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Russia[/TD]

[TD]1,688,688[/TD]

[TD]17,075,400[/TD]

[TD]142,946,800[/TD]

[TD]11.8[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Japan[/TD]

[TD]1,138,432[/TD]

[TD]377,944[/TD]

[TD]128,056,026[/TD]

[TD]8.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Germany[/TD]

[TD]762,543[/TD]

[TD]357,021[/TD]

[TD]81,799,600[/TD]

[TD]9.3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Iran[/TD]

[TD]574,667[/TD]

[TD]1,648,195[/TD]

[TD]75,330,000[/TD]

[TD]7.6[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]South Korea[/TD]

[TD]563,126[/TD]

[TD]100,210[/TD]

[TD]48,875,000[/TD]

[TD]11.5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Canada[/TD]

[TD]518,475[/TD]

[TD]9,984,670[/TD]

[TD]34,685,000[/TD]

[TD]14.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Saudi Arabia[/TD]

[TD]493,726[/TD]

[TD]2,149,690[/TD]

[TD]27,136,977[/TD]

[TD]18.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]

[TD]493,158[/TD]

[TD]243,610[/TD]

[TD]62,262,000[/TD]

[TD]7.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Indonesia[/TD]

[TD]476,557[/TD]

[TD]1,919,440[/TD]

[TD]237,424,363[/TD]

[TD]2.0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Mexico[/TD]

[TD]466,131[/TD]

[TD]1,972,550[/TD]

[TD]112,322,757[/TD]

[TD]4.1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]South Africa[/TD]

[TD]451,839[/TD]

[TD]1,221,037[/TD]

[TD]50,586,757[/TD]

[TD]8.9[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Brazil[/TD]

[TD]419 537[/TD]

[TD]8,514,877[/TD]

[TD]190,732,694[/TD]

[TD]2.2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Italy[/TD]

[TD]407 924[/TD]

[TD]301,338[/TD]

[TD]60,681,514[/TD]

[TD]6.7[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Australia[/TD]

[TD]365 513[/TD]

[TD]7,617,930[/TD]

[TD]22,794,166[/TD]

[TD]16.0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] France[/TD]

[TD]362 556[/TD]

[TD]674,843[/TD]

[TD]65,821,885[/TD]

[TD]5.5[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD] Poland[/TD]

[TD]309 985[/TD]

[TD]312,685[/TD]

[TD]38,186,860[/TD]

[TD]8.1[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

I don't understand your first quote, since that is pretty consistent with the other links and "stats" posted?

northshorepom · July 16, 2012

A bit off topic, but watched a documentary last night called 'The Last Days Of The Dinosaurs'.

I've never really understood why they became extinct, but was fascinating stuff about the meteorite, the impact, the noxious clouds, earthquakes, sea levels and so on.

But still animal life remained, and in the end thrived.

But does make you wonder if the earth is capable again of 'mending' itself if we don't step in fairly quickly and look at our own actions.

Cheers Tony.

It will probably mend itself in some way - without us. We can heat the planet up and it may have catastrophic effects on our lifestyle and the social structures we have built up over thousands of years, but it won't wipe us out. Even if it did, life wouldn't be wiped out. Earth would probably get on a lot better without us to be honest, but then, as always on this sort of subject, who's first up for doing themselves in? Thought not......

jove · July 16, 2012

Bottom line:

THEY WANT YOUR MONEY

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

I don't understand your first quote, since that is pretty consistent with the other links and "stats" posted?

this is getting really hard to enplane.

WE ARE TALKING PER HEAD OF POPULATION.

of course china is top as it has the biggest population.

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

lies, dam lies and statistics...

Cdiac released preliminary 2009 and 2010 estimates for a limited number of countries;^[13] the international energy agency also released its own estimates.^[14] the following table is lists the 2010 estimate of annual co₂ emissions estimates (in thousands of co₂ metric tonnes) from these estimates for the top emitting countries, along with a list of emissions per person (in tons of co₂ per year).

[table]

[tr]

[th]country[/th]

[th]co₂ emissions^[13][/th]

[th]area (in km²)[/th]

[th]population[/th]

[th]emission / person[/th]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td] world[/td]

[td]33,508,901[/td]

[td]148,940,000[/td]

[td]6,852,472,823[/td]

[td]4.9[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]china[/td]

[td]8,240,958[/td]

[td]9,640,821[/td]

[td]1,339,724,852[/td]

[td]6.2[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]united states[/td]

[td]5,492,170[/td]

[td]9,826,675[/td]

[td]312,793,000[/td]

[td]17.6[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]india[/td]

[td]2,069,738[/td]

[td]3,287,263[/td]

[td]1,210,193,422[/td]

[td]1.7[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]russia[/td]

[td]1,688,688[/td]

[td]17,075,400[/td]

[td]142,946,800[/td]

[td]11.8[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]japan[/td]

[td]1,138,432[/td]

[td]377,944[/td]

[td]128,056,026[/td]

[td]8.9[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]germany[/td]

[td]762,543[/td]

[td]357,021[/td]

[td]81,799,600[/td]

[td]9.3[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]iran[/td]

[td]574,667[/td]

[td]1,648,195[/td]

[td]75,330,000[/td]

[td]7.6[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]south korea[/td]

[td]563,126[/td]

[td]100,210[/td]

[td]48,875,000[/td]

[td]11.5[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]canada[/td]

[td]518,475[/td]

[td]9,984,670[/td]

[td]34,685,000[/td]

[td]14.9[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]saudi arabia[/td]

[td]493,726[/td]

[td]2,149,690[/td]

[td]27,136,977[/td]

[td]18.2[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]united kingdom[/td]

[td]493,158[/td]

[td]243,610[/td]

[td]62,262,000[/td]

[td]7.9[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]indonesia[/td]

[td]476,557[/td]

[td]1,919,440[/td]

[td]237,424,363[/td]

[td]2.0[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]mexico[/td]

[td]466,131[/td]

[td]1,972,550[/td]

[td]112,322,757[/td]

[td]4.1[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]south africa[/td]

[td]451,839[/td]

[td]1,221,037[/td]

[td]50,586,757[/td]

[td]8.9[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]brazil[/td]

[td]419 537[/td]

[td]8,514,877[/td]

[td]190,732,694[/td]

[td]2.2[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]italy[/td]

[td]407 924[/td]

[td]301,338[/td]

[td]60,681,514[/td]

[td]6.7[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]australia[/td]

[td]365 513[/td]

[td]7,617,930[/td]

[td]22,794,166[/td]

[td]16.0[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td] france[/td]

[td]362 556[/td]

[td]674,843[/td]

[td]65,821,885[/td]

[td]5.5[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td] poland[/td]

[td]309 985[/td]

[td]312,685[/td]

[td]38,186,860[/td]

[td]8.1[/td]

[/tr]

[/table]

thread is per head of population ......china of course will be top as they have the biggest population, but per head oz is in the top 3

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

It will probably mend itself in some way - without us. We can heat the planet up and it may have catastrophic effects on our lifestyle and the social structures we have built up over thousands of years, but it won't wipe us out. Even if it did, life wouldn't be wiped out. Earth would probably get on a lot better without us to be honest, but then, as always on this sort of subject, who's first up for doing themselves in? Thought not......

It MIGHT mend itself...ohhh thats ok then :eek:

Why not cut carbon emissions just in case.

northshorepom · July 16, 2012

It MIGHT mend itself...ohhh thats ok then :eek:

Why not cut carbon emissions just in case.

You misunderstand. I think climate change is a massive issue and cutting carbon emissions is an imperative. For humans it is probably the biggest issue of all. For the earth itself, it is in the short term but once we're gone she'll sort herself out

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

You misunderstand. I think climate change is a massive issue and cutting carbon emissions is an imperative. For humans it is probably the biggest issue of all. For the earth itself, it is in the short term but once we're gone she'll sort herself out

Well lets help her by cutting emissions right now.

northshorepom · July 16, 2012

I agree! Sheesh, you're being as obtuse as those who keep banging on about China

Peach · July 16, 2012

thread is per head of population ......china of course will be top as they have the biggest population, but per head oz is in the top 3

Have you given some thought as to why Australia is up there? China is at number one because of the amount of production, the US close behind but for the amount of consumption.

I believe Australia is there because of the abundance of coal burning to produce electricity. Personally, I believe that leaving the mines that produce the coal open would be of more benefit to Australia than closing them to push the country lower down the CO2 chart.

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

Have you given some thought as to why Australia is up there? China is at number one because of the amount of production, the US close behind but for the amount of consumption.

I believe Australia is there because of the abundance of coal burning to produce electricity. Personally, I believe that leaving the mines that produce the coal open would be of more benefit to Australia than closing them to push the country lower down the CO2 chart.

think your goverment thinks different....good on them.

The Australian Government is strongly committed to reducing Australia's carbon pollution.If Australia takes no action by 2020 our carbon pollution could be 20 per cent higher than in 2000, not 5 to 25 per cent lower as the Australian Government intends. The Australian Government's targets are equivalent to a reduction in every Australian's carbon footprint of nearly one third to one half.To help achieve our ambitious targets of lowering these emissions, the Australian Government is developing and putting in place the policies we need through

Clean Energy Future

to support Australian businesses and households reduce their carbon pollution, to create the new green-collar jobs of the future and to transform our economy.

[h=2]Investing in clean energy[/h]

The Australian Government is investing more than $5 billion in developing and commercialising clean energy technologies because we know these technologies will be crucial for Australia's efforts to reduce its carbon pollution emissions. These technologies will also be important to the rest of the world as they also need to reduce their carbon pollution.The plan to move to a Clean Energy Future will cut pollution by at least five per cent compared with 2000 levels by 2020—which will require cutting net expected pollution by at least 23 per cent in 2020—and 80 per cent below 2000 levels by 2050.The comprehensive plan also aims to introduce a carbon price and invest billions of dollars in renewable energy. It includes transforming the energy sector away from high polluting sources such as brown coal and storing carbon in the land through better land management strategies.

Peach · July 16, 2012

What's your point - why are you so angry about this? What will be will be..

fleabo · July 16, 2012

Its interesting point - if you live in Tasmania, about 70% of your electricity comes from hydro - a low carbon source, though not necessarily viewed as 'green'.

WA is quite green as well elecricity wise. As is SA. So some states are really quite 'sustainable'.

I believe Australia is there because of the abundance of coal burning to produce electricity. Personally, I believe that leaving the mines that produce the coal open would be of more benefit to Australia than closing them to push the country lower down the CO2 chart.

Skani · July 16, 2012

shame on you australia:no:even if your in the top 5---tut tut says me

It's the result of having abundance - so much coal that no one has had to give it a second thought until now.

At least it's a better choice than not having anything.

Skani · July 16, 2012

Its interesting point - if you live in Tasmania, about 70% of your electricity comes from hydro - a low carbon source, though not necessarily viewed as 'green'.
WA is quite green as well elecricity wise. As is SA. So some states are really quite 'sustainable'.

Where does electricity for WA and SA come from?

July 16, 2012

Does anyone really care about this, most countries don't have a good record on this and there's little sign they are willing to change, I am more concerned whether Leeds united are going to get taken over in time for Warnock to have funds to bring in some decent players to push for promotion back to the premiership.

MicheleW · July 16, 2012

Does anyone really care about this, most countries don't have a good record on this and there's little sign they are willing to change, I am more concerned whether Leeds united are going to get taken over in time for Warnock to have funds to bring in some decent players to push for promotion back to the premiership.

I'm sorry Hoff but a lot of people do care about this, just because a country doesn't have a good record it doesn't mean they can't change.

July 16, 2012

I'm sorry Hoff but a lot of people do care about this, just because a country doesn't have a good record it doesn't mean they can't change.

They won't though will they, they were talking about this ten or 15 years ago, we can't do anything about it and I'm not convinced its having a detrimental effect on anything, just my opinion.

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

What's your point - why are you so angry about this? What will be will be..

Yes I am mad at how big companies do not care about carbon emissions and just profit and shareholders,

Perthbum · July 16, 2012

They won't though will they, they were talking about this ten or 15 years ago, we can't do anything about it and I'm not convinced its having a detrimental effect on anything, just my opinion.

there has been massive reductions in the worlds carbon emmisions in the last decade but more needs to be done,

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