ceridwyn
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Not sure about what law was broken, but it is great that this group given pos. Pr assessments before Feb are now recognised as moraly unfair not tobe given registration as caught in the middle of the changes.
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My bad, it is new critera of bridging programs, graduates will have at the end graduate certificates and must be provided and about time too, by a high er prrovider of education such as a university!, or supervised by,
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Looks like ANMAC are now going to the same page as AHPRA according to website, new standards for assessing IQNM must be AQF 7.
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written in error:mad:
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Holey moley, the union cannot get action of the plight of 1000's of Australian nurses that have taken 10 years off for family and now cannot be registered by AHPRA (need to do bridging program)and they cannot get the government to see that the way graduate nurses are being treated is why so many do not go on to have brilliant nursing careers cannot get jobs, massive health budget cutbacks and last year Australian nurses are now denied NMC registration and the government officials spoken to about it said it was the UK's decision and would not touch it and you and your mate can get the Australian PM to look at UK nurses plight in a couple of months!! ANMU need you are you thinking about emigrating.? Good luck everyone hope it does get resolved soon. ex UK early in life, lived in AU ever since.
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I doubt very much AHPRAs assessment will change afterall many overseas applicants withdegrees from their countries have been doing the bridging program for years. Australian nurses have to do the bridging courses if they have left to have a family and have not worked for 5 years (which is nothing, and another story.) There is no major nursing shortage and therefore no pressure to import nurses, just some specialties are short of experienced nurses. You guys however are probably making aware to many, a very big loophole and ANMC AHPRA disparagy and most likely ANMAC (btw, no nurse applicant has reported on forums to have ever had negative assessment) will change or Immi will stop giving IO out without nursing registration. Or nothing... I would not hold your breath on changes to AHPRA assessment.. Some of the tweets to AHPRA I would imagine, are not doing your cause any favours.
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Yes, yes, all agrees clinical is less but we are discussing what is for an Australian nursing qual not for a UK.nursing qual. We did 40-50 hours theory a week plus the clinical and that was flat oyt full time. Can you be more specific with what components are covered and hours so you can present that to AHPRA? The above is a chart written in the uk with flags on it stating levels of nursing and words saying degree or diploma means nothing, who wrote it up is it UK AQF? Diploma is a degree the degree of diploma, bachelor's is the degree of bachelor, masters is the degree of masters. Good luck in your travels, hope it everthing you want.
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But they are not assessing the UK diploma to an EN Diploma which if thry eere would be level 5. Nobody takes any notice when I report this. Australian nursing education 101: Up until around the early 80's nursing educstion took place in hospitals a type of apprentice system for 3 years. These nurses received what was called a hospital certificate, many are still practising today. Over the years some 'upgraded their education to a diploma some up to Bachelor of nursing, when that came in, as it was sprouked that without the academic qualification, no promotions and unable to do post graduate qualifications, this did not happen. In the early 80's nursing went to higher education and only went into hospitals to do clinicals. This qualification was called the Diploma of applied science (Nursing) - this is the degree/diploma that would be near the UK diploma, took 3 years to do and was short of a Bachelor degree by 4 subjects- when I did nursing the Bachelor was coming in so we had an option of doing the extra subjects- there were 4 subjects for the degree. Those days under the new AQF this nursing diploma would be considered an associate degree AQF 6! The diploma you keep comparing yours with is not the same as our old Diploma in Appled science (Nursing) Which was the nursing qualification before the Bachelor degree that is in now. The AQF changed the name of things. Years ago the dilploma for Enrolled nursing would have been probably be called an advanced certificate, so you see your diploma and the 18 month EN diploma are worlds apart, your diploma is like the old RN nursing diploma. Bachelor of nursing for nursing took over mid 80! AS the nursing qualification and at the same time undergraduate nursing became strictly general trained and the 3 year psych nursing diploma finished.
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And us 'old Australian with load of experience nurses that make up 2/3 of the nursing workforce will sit tight and continue to give the best outcome care to the Australian community. Its so unfortunate that with the lack of nursing positions, our new grads are not getting any work so that they can replentesh the (oldies with the loads of experience that make up 2/3 of the Australian nursing population) when we all retire. Give new graduates jobs, none should be without a nursing position.!! Your wife is the best Johndoe, after all the negative comments about Australian nursing education!!
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And yet no state in America accept the UK nursing qualification if streamed as good enough for RN status. Australia no longer looks at the UK for anything, they decided nurses need to be generalists. They also decided, after the NMC told Australian nurses that their degree was not good enough that the UK diploma is not good enough for Australia. Look in your own backyard. I did not see anywhere where Australian nurses posted UK diploma was shite and so were their Nurses. Perhaps the Australian degree teaches a bit of critical thinking skills and cultural sensitivity thats missing in the UK diploma.
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How rude! Perhaps a few pommy nurses with diplomas with attitudes towards Australian nurses with ttelling them their Bachelor of Nursing was less than the UK Dip HE and they were shite at nursing started this all off in the first place like this. Dam colonists. Makes me ashamed.
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AHPRA and why UK Diploma Nurses shouldn't bother applying
ceridwyn replied to a topic in Careers and Vacancies
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AHPRA and why UK Diploma Nurses shouldn't bother applying
ceridwyn replied to a topic in Careers and Vacancies
Your reasoning is flawed. Countries have always assessed overseas nurses on their own nurses criteria, except Australia, who seemed to take take on any country's nursing education, 'hey what your an RN over there, come over no worries' However, Australian nursibg education went to degree level and became comprehensive, meaning no nursing streams, no mental health undergrad, in the early 90's. Nurses who want to be mental health, paeds, icu, Ed do so after the undergrad degree, get some experience in it then do a post grad degree. Nursing in Australia went this way because of our wide range of nursing environments. You want to work in mental health/paeds in rural/remote areas then you must need to know about general nursing as well being in much smaller populations and remote from everthing. On the othet hand mental gealth is quite prominent in the Australian nursing degree for this very reason. So by taking Uk educated nurses in they are fross cutting how Austealian nurses are educated for Australuan environment and are often city job placed. Thats not where the jobs are for nurses. So on the other hand Australian educated nurses are now not excepted in the UK as we are comprehensive educated and ghsts not what yhe NMC want fot the UK ditto! AND THEY TAKE OUR MONEY PRONTO and take 12-18 months to tell us we are nit wanted. Maybe we should jump up and down and threaten legal action and claim the mother country owes us something and we have rights there to work as seems to be the theme coming across in all these pom in oz nursing forums. Do not worry about the nursing shortage at the mo enough US and Fil nurses to fill the gaps. As for the health agreements between the 2 countries, whats tbst got to do with nursing education? So you guys need to ask the NHS and the NMC just why they do not like Aussie nurses, and put us in the same basket as nurses from every other country in the world for asssessment same as Ahpra has done to UK nurses, seems to be natural justice. Pity have worked with and been thankful for some wonderful nurses from the UK but as you see the nursing education is not the same as seen by the NMC judt over 12 months ago so close the gate and Australia no longer obviously does not feel the need to give Uk nursing applicants a different assessment tothe rest of the world and the UK to the colony ditto. Sorry for the aanguish given to those but times have changed. Now goodbye -
ANMAC will be align with AHPRA real soon on the grapevine.
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So sorry, just wanted to put the other side to the story and perhaps protect the Aussie side of things. NMC rejecting Aussie educated nurses has been past 3 months, thank you all for kind comments, there is no unwritten right to be accepted into Australia as a British subject and they (Australians) are not uneducated numb bums and inferior that come across in most of these forums. Perhaps I need to stay put! goodbye.
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You guys shuold see it from my side trying to deal with the NMC and they have taken all fees then refused registrations as well. Took 8 months!! I cannot get through to anybody that knows anything and get the run around to see what I can do to be registered, been given no pathway options nothing...they seem to be annoyed at overseas nurses and when I tell them I am british they make comments that its a pity I was not educated over there :mad: so much for the NMc from an overseas point of view.
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Same as many of the occupations on SOL list, no jobs for graduates but they keep giving visas out, there does not seem to be any communication or if there is no common sense being used at all by the government.
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There is much confusion why state governments have visa available and why nursing is on the SOL list. Unions are in talks with government. Ahpra are registering overseas nurses from other countries, US Phillipines Canada recently. anmac have been in talks with ahpra. diac have been asked why give visas when applicants are not yet Registered with Ahpra and many given pos skills with ANMAC and now have PR status have actually been refused registration with Ahpra as the cases with nurses from many EU countries in the past few months.
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Unless you have a job in some remote area that is desperate for health care staff, no politician is going to help overseas nurses as there are hundreds of new graduates out of work and many other nurses not being kept on after grad year. The union is addressing the government of the overuse of 457 sponsored skills visa used for many overseas nurses jobs and there is a now hostility towards immigration due to rising unemployment and cost of living due to to all the overuse of 85% goverment funding going to social security payments and immigrant services. They now want existing tax payers to work until they are 70, which is great for a physical demanding job as a nurse, so its not the best time for a polly to campaign for immigration. I would love to be registered with the NMC and come back home to live, but the NMC without any warning, closed the door on nurses educated in Australia, perhaps AHPRA is doing ditto. Do you see any policians overthere that can help please
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If your degree is general not specific to paeds, mental healtj, disability and you have a Bachelor degree I have been told that is ok. But if you are specialised that is not general educated and is not comparable to the Australian nursing degree where med/surg mental health cultural studies, pharmaceutical unit annd a few weeks of elective specialty is in the nursing degree.
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How dare those dam colonials treat us from the mother country so badly! Have it on good authority from a bridging school lecturer that they are filling their courses just fine from nurses educated Philipines and India who in past 3months have been given LOE from AHPRA. She says the delay is dud to UK nurses not being general educated and this has put AHPRA in a predicament that they start rejecting UK nurses all hell will break loose but that is what yhe new national law dictates- comparable education to the same health professional in Australia.
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Usually 4-8 weeks, which is a enough when all other areas of nursing must be addressed as well. Many new graduates are offered mental health graduate years, where they are placed in acute- community, but complete a graduate certificate in mental health nursing from their chosen university. So you see if anyone educated in the past 18 years in Australia tells you the are a mental health practitioner, thry would be general degree educated with a BNURS then have at least a GRDCert in MN. I suppose with all the cutbacks and so many new Australian new grads scabbling for new grad positions that they need only to consider the Australian way of Mental health nurse education and their are 2 pathways, get a job as an RN general educated in Mental health but has interest and is doing a post grad MN or be a new graduate and get a Mental health grad year. You really need to find an Uk educated mental health nurse or get some experience and then apply.
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Rest assured, there is no nursing shortage in Australia, thats why the union wants 457 visas reviewed in nursing and there are hundreds of new graduates out of work. However as Australian nurses are general educated and cannot afford to do further post grad studies many of the specialties duch as mental health, theatre, icu are always looking for staff. Many recruitment companies are doing tgeir best to survive but the deal is not many 457 available thats why PR visas are preferable because then you can do casual part tme alike and get plenty of work that way. Apparently even aged care are getting 100, s applying just to get a foot in the door-mainly from overseas as there are no jobs.