gaz n family Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 We have approached one company so far and are waiting for a little more information back from them. We were given two options, a gold which included everything, then a silver which included the following; · Airline ticket for dog with BA/Qantas from Heathrow · Airline surcharges (Handling / Security / War Insurance / Fuel / Airway Bill / Transit Fees) · Booking of quarantine space (30 days required) with Australian authorities (NB quarantine fees not included as payable in Australia) We think this cost will be about $1,300 · Custom made PetAir UK, IATA approved, wooden travel containers with comfortable bedding and watering facility (please see notes below about the crates) · Meet at Heathrow airport visit on day of departure, completion of Part B of DEFRA paperwork · Official sealing of the travel container at the airport · Assisted check-in to make sure dog is comfortably and safely away Other than that if we were to choose the silver package and possibly save money, what do we need to do exactly before she can fly? I know we will need an export certificate, but not 100% sure, plus with all the import and export forms, subsequent fees, plus vet checks and their cheap fees (RIGHT!!!) would we really save any money? If anyone can help i would really appreciate it, we have sent an email the the Carlise office but are waiting for a reply and need to know the following 1 What do we need to do to Export her? 2 What injections does she need and by when? 3 What medical checks does she need and by when 4 What is the overall medical requirements she needs to be fit to export? 5 If we do not export her before we leave, can our mother do it on our behalf? 6 Can our local Vet certify all the required documents and forms? 7 Typically how much would a vet cost that signs the EHC (I assume this is sign are the airport, please correct me if this is wrong)? 8 We are going to employ an agent to arrange the flights, but to save money we intend on arranging all the export requirements our self – is this foolish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggaf Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Hi, I had a chat with our local vet and he said that he must be contacted at least 6 months in advance of going to get all the paperwork completed and give neccessary injections etc. I think they may be a good port of call to answer some of your questions. Hope this helps a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawny Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Here is a link that you may find helpful in explaining whats needed Pet Export UK Ltd. Pet travel / pet export / emigration / relocation to Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawny Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Hello again, sorry my message got cut off too quick, Not all vets are defra registered, and to be honest some of those charge a lot more than going with a pet transport specialist! We used petairuk who did all the vet requirements as well as sorting out all the paperwork including flights etc Dawn x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BrightonBoys Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Cant recomend petAir enough. They are worth every penny!!! We have gone for the gold service. We are also going to use Dog Walkers in Sydney to visit our boys!! Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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loubeany Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Hi, I had a chat with our local vet and he said that he must be contacted at least 6 months in advance of going to get all the paperwork completed and give neccessary injections etc. I think they may be a good port of call to answer some of your questions. Hope this helps a little Hi Gaz am in the process as you may remember of moving to oz (perth ) I have spoken with pet air / air paws and air pets at length about the move for our pets and the following also comes from Defra : Cats going to oz - no big shakes- as and when you have chosen your preferred pet handler you book with them and pay between 10/ 25 % deposit - they book all needed transport including all taxes and handling .. airport vets etc... they book the quarantine ( this is the trickiest bit as dates are dependent on wether the quarantine can accommodate your pet - once this is settled thats it all done. The pet handler sources the defra certificate and import permits etc if you have not already done so? you can do online yourself with oz and uk certificates. Then defra send certificate to vets to certify - part a - PART B IS FOR pet handler and airport authorities. Dogs are more work - blood tests required 28 days before and few other minor tests as well as 4 days and 2 days before worming tick flea etc... pet handler and vet will give you dates as when you need to take the dog/ cat Cats need only 4 days prior to flight - lungworm heart-worm etc... much easier and not a worry for the oz authorities. important to settle on the pet handler and then book - it all rolls from there. Have had in-depth meetings with vet and nothing to do for dog until 28 days before. Hope that helps - quarantine is the trickiest for dates and they cannot book them in until pet has import and defra certs which give certain import numbers ... these are needed for booking them in to quarantine. anything else give us a shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeany Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 you need to ring defra dogs and cats export... in carlisle they are super brilliant and so keen to help ... look for them online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBK Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hi, Just thought you might find this link useful to calculate the quarantine fees:- Fees for government animal quarantine stations for cats and dogs - DAFF Best wishes with your move plans Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj&db Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 It is much much much cheaper to do as much as you can yourself and is a lot more straightforward than you may think. Everything highlighted in blue is what I organised myself. We spent just under £4800 for absolutely everything (2x standard size staffies)! Most agents wanted that not far off that for the privilege of doing everything on our behalf...and there prices DO NOT include quarantine! Realistically you can't really do too much until 6mths before you plan to leave with the majority of stuff being done in the last 30days! Most companies will do everything for you but at a cost... Here is the process in a nutshell. Microchip (no idea on price as our dogs were chipped when puppies) - must be done before you even start the process as you need to detail the chip number on everything! Apply for AQIS Import Permit (£310 total for both dogs) - These are only valid for 6months from date of issue so I wouldn't apply until you are 100% leaving in 6months. They come through pretty quickly, when we applied we got them through in a matter of days. Apply for DEFRA Export Permit (free) Book tentative quarantine accommodation (£1500 total for both dogs) - Upon receipt of your Import Permits. This won't be confirmed until you have booked the animals flights and have all the details. - paid in Australia, never included in any quotes from export firms. VETS (total for everything done by the vets was £600 for both dogs) Between 1yr and 14days prior to export Vaccinations - these are all included in your standard booster (apart from Kennel Cough I think). - distemper - infectious hepatitis - canine parvovirus - para-influenza - bordetella bronchiseptica (kennel cough) One thing to note is the standard booster jab normally also includes leptospira - this needs to be removed as it will interfere with the blood tests. Within 30days prior to export - Scan Microchip - Blood Tests (ehrlichiosis, brucellosis, leishmaniosis, leptospirosis) - External Parasite Treatments - Vets also start completing DEFRA Export Certificate and AQIS Import Certificate Part A. Within 4days prior to export - External Parasite Treatments (again) - Internal Parasite Treatments - Vets complete DEFRA Export Cert and AQIS Import Cert Part A. Flights (£2372 total for both dogs - standard size staffies) - Do this via a firm (cheapest we found are Airsupply Shipping). This price includes all airline fees, the crates, sealing of crates and final paperwork and vet checks that need to be done on the day of departure. Day of Departure (all included in flight price above) This is stuff that the flight company will sort as part of the basic package. - Scan of microchip - Complete AQIS Import Cert Part B - Seal container The AQIS website is very good though...if you go to the importing cats and dogs to Australia section there is a pack you can download that gives you step by step instructions on what needs doing. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Book quarantine as early as possible. I was told the sooner you book the better as they often fill up and leaving it too late you run the risk they won't be able to fit your dog in. Some people seem to have been able to book their dog in with a couple of months notice but others have said they had to book 4 months ahead. I know when I contacted them they said to get in touch as early as possible and check tentative dates and they would let me know how it looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeany Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 It is much much much cheaper to do as much as you can yourself and is a lot more straightforward than you may think. Everything highlighted in blue is what I organised myself. We spent just under £4800 for absolutely everything (2x standard size staffies)! Most agents wanted that not far off that for the privilege of doing everything on our behalf...and there prices DO NOT include quarantine! Realistically you can't really do too much until 6mths before you plan to leave with the majority of stuff being done in the last 30days! Most companies will do everything for you but at a cost... Here is the process in a nutshell. Microchip (no idea on price as our dogs were chipped when puppies) - must be done before you even start the process as you need to detail the chip number on everything! Apply for AQIS Import Permit (£310 total for both dogs) - These are only valid for 6months from date of issue so I wouldn't apply until you are 100% leaving in 6months. They come through pretty quickly, when we applied we got them through in a matter of days. Apply for DEFRA Export Permit (free) Book tentative quarantine accommodation (£1500 total for both dogs) - Upon receipt of your Import Permits. This won't be confirmed until you have booked the animals flights and have all the details. - paid in Australia, never included in any quotes from export firms. VETS (total for everything done by the vets was £600 for both dogs) Between 1yr and 14days prior to export Vaccinations - these are all included in your standard booster (apart from Kennel Cough I think). - distemper - infectious hepatitis - canine parvovirus - para-influenza - bordetella bronchiseptica (kennel cough) One thing to note is the standard booster jab normally also includes leptospira - this needs to be removed as it will interfere with the blood tests. Within 30days prior to export - Scan Microchip - Blood Tests (ehrlichiosis, brucellosis, leishmaniosis, leptospirosis) - External Parasite Treatments - Vets also start completing DEFRA Export Certificate and AQIS Import Certificate Part A. Within 4days prior to export - External Parasite Treatments (again) - Internal Parasite Treatments - Vets complete DEFRA Export Cert and AQIS Import Cert Part A. Flights (£2372 total for both dogs - standard size staffies) - Do this via a firm (cheapest we found are Airsupply Shipping). This price includes all airline fees, the crates, sealing of crates and final paperwork and vet checks that need to be done on the day of departure. Day of Departure (all included in flight price above) This is stuff that the flight company will sort as part of the basic package. - Scan of microchip - Complete AQIS Import Cert Part B - Seal container The AQIS website is very good though...if you go to the importing cats and dogs to Australia section there is a pack you can download that gives you step by step instructions on what needs doing. Hope this helps. Very good clear advice.... I am going through the processes myself and have done some parts myself also. What I would say is speaking to Defra and the vets are the most important bits as these tend to give the most advice on what needs doing x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBK Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Book quarantine as early as possible. I was told the sooner you book the better as they often fill up and leaving it too late you run the risk they won't be able to fit your dog in. Some people seem to have been able to book their dog in with a couple of months notice but others have said they had to book 4 months ahead. I know when I contacted them they said to get in touch as early as possible and check tentative dates and they would let me know how it looked. Sorry, Gaz, can't remember if you said which quarantine station you were looking at. I do know that Byford, Perth and Spotswood, Melbourne tend to get booked up fairly quickly as they are much smaller stations. It is less of a worry if you are using Eastern Creek, Sydney as it has so much capacity and often takes dogs that can't fit into Melbourne or Perth. That being said - I used Eastern Creek for my boy, Baggy, and booked as early as I could to stop myself panicking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz n family Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 It is much much much cheaper to do as much as you can yourself and is a lot more straightforward than you may think. Everything highlighted in blue is what I organised myself. We spent just under £4800 for absolutely everything (2x standard size staffies)! Most agents wanted that not far off that for the privilege of doing everything on our behalf...and there prices DO NOT include quarantine! Realistically you can't really do too much until 6mths before you plan to leave with the majority of stuff being done in the last 30days! Most companies will do everything for you but at a cost... Here is the process in a nutshell. Microchip (no idea on price as our dogs were chipped when puppies) - must be done before you even start the process as you need to detail the chip number on everything! Apply for AQIS Import Permit (£310 total for both dogs) - These are only valid for 6months from date of issue so I wouldn't apply until you are 100% leaving in 6months. They come through pretty quickly, when we applied we got them through in a matter of days. Apply for DEFRA Export Permit (free) Book tentative quarantine accommodation (£1500 total for both dogs) - Upon receipt of your Import Permits. This won't be confirmed until you have booked the animals flights and have all the details. - paid in Australia, never included in any quotes from export firms. VETS (total for everything done by the vets was £600 for both dogs) Between 1yr and 14days prior to export Vaccinations - these are all included in your standard booster (apart from Kennel Cough I think). - distemper - infectious hepatitis - canine parvovirus - para-influenza - bordetella bronchiseptica (kennel cough) One thing to note is the standard booster jab normally also includes leptospira - this needs to be removed as it will interfere with the blood tests. Within 30days prior to export - Scan Microchip - Blood Tests (ehrlichiosis, brucellosis, leishmaniosis, leptospirosis) - External Parasite Treatments - Vets also start completing DEFRA Export Certificate and AQIS Import Certificate Part A. Within 4days prior to export - External Parasite Treatments (again) - Internal Parasite Treatments - Vets complete DEFRA Export Cert and AQIS Import Cert Part A. Flights (£2372 total for both dogs - standard size staffies) - Do this via a firm (cheapest we found are Airsupply Shipping). This price includes all airline fees, the crates, sealing of crates and final paperwork and vet checks that need to be done on the day of departure. Day of Departure (all included in flight price above) This is stuff that the flight company will sort as part of the basic package. - Scan of microchip - Complete AQIS Import Cert Part B - Seal container The AQIS website is very good though...if you go to the importing cats and dogs to Australia section there is a pack you can download that gives you step by step instructions on what needs doing. Hope this helps. Hope it helps? You're joking, its great. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz n family Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 Sorry, Gaz, can't remember if you said which quarantine station you were looking at. I do know that Byford, Perth and Spotswood, Melbourne tend to get booked up fairly quickly as they are much smaller stations. It is less of a worry if you are using Eastern Creek, Sydney as it has so much capacity and often takes dogs that can't fit into Melbourne or Perth. That being said - I used Eastern Creek for my boy, Baggy, and booked as early as I could to stop myself panicking about it. Hiya. We are heading for Adelaide, but had made the assumption Melbourne was the better place to look for quarantine that way, albeit a long one, i could drive to collect her. Still dont know what is best to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angphil Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 This maybe a stupid question but do they drug the animals on the flight? I'm worried how our dog will cope for such a long period in the air. We are really undecided about what to do with our dog, I can't imagine not taking her but don't know if we can put her through it. My parents would have her in an instant and she goes there 4 days a week now. Any advice would be greatly received. Thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 This maybe a stupid question but do they drug the animals on the flight? I'm worried how our dog will cope for such a long period in the air. We are really undecided about what to do with our dog, I can't imagine not taking her but don't know if we can put her through it. My parents would have her in an instant and she goes there 4 days a week now. Any advice would be greatly received. Thank No they won't drug your dog. Its not allowed and can cause serious problems for the animal at altitude. You can give it a herbal remedy built up over a few weeks to help keep it calm, but nothing like a sedative. If your dog is drugged and they suspect it it won't be allowed to fly. Its really not something you should consider. I have been told by the pet shipping companies I've enquired to that usually a dog will settle in the crate and be ok for the flight. The crates are darker generally, with mesh either end and the temp in the hold is 18C and they sleep/rest. If you get your crate early and give your dog a couple of weeks of it in the house, using it to sleep in and accept then it can often help dogs be calmer as they are in familiar surroundings. If your parents have her 4 days a week and have said they are happy to take her and accept the financial responsibilities and so on, then consider it a viable option for you and her. Consider the dog in all this over your needs/wants. We are still trying to decide if we will take our dog. He is part of our family, much loved and I am not worried about shipping him, but do worry about the huge change in lifestyle once we move over. He doesn't cope at all in traffic, stresses greatly, only really enjoys running round in large grassy spaces away from roads/cars (as in not seeing a car anywhere) and takes a long time to settle and seem happy with any new place we take him to walk. Also he gets very put out if lots of people visit the house and we know moving back to Aus means lots of friends and family stopping by, BBQ's and so on. All things would send him running for cover. When I think about the big picture I know he would be so happy here with my parents. He adores them, goes on holiday there and has the company of their dogs. He'll still have his green fields to run in, they understand all his fears and quirks and he'll be happy. But of course I still want to take him with us. But to what? A life which for him, probably won't compare to here. Which will require him to go to dog parks and beaches and be amongst traffic quite a bit. Atm I am 80% on leaving him with my parents. But if I can find any way possible to take him where we can meet all his needs I shall. I am still researching and working out distances to travel in the car etc to big open spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angphil Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 If your parents have her 4 days a week and have said they are happy to take her and accept the financial responsibilities and so on, then consider it a viable option for you and her. Consider the dog in all this over your needs/wants. Thanks for this, I think you are right. It is our dog who will suffer and she is a little bit nervy anyway. I need someone to tell me DO NOT TAKE THE DOG!!!! I'm exhaused with making massive decisions. I'm going to talk to the kids about it tonight, my OH thinks I'm mad considering it. I do think he's thinking of the money rather than the dog. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeany Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I think your right ... If you consider he/she wont have better life then your parents as an option is an excellent choice.. however if like me your dog/cats are just apart of the family and part of the oz package then its a no brainer. Its 2 days of its life in the air and the 30 days in a decent quarantine and then new life for all albeit a strange new one but if like our animals they are sociable and used to change it will be just fine. I personally wud not go to oz without them.. they mean that much to me but saying that if my dog was nervy and jumpy and my parents were well established co owners of the dog then that to is a no brainer. good luck with it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I think your right ... If you consider he/she wont have better life then your parents as an option is an excellent choice.. however if like me your dog/cats are just apart of the family and part of the oz package then its a no brainer. Its 2 days of its life in the air and the 30 days in a decent quarantine and then new life for all albeit a strange new one but if like our animals they are sociable and used to change it will be just fine. I personally wud not go to oz without them.. they mean that much to me but saying that if my dog was nervy and jumpy and my parents were well established co owners of the dog then that to is a no brainer. good luck with it all. I know for us, our dog, we got him at 6 months old and the first few weeks he wouldn't even walk out the door to go out into the garden. We had to actually carry him out and put him out there. Same with going for a walk, we had to get him used to the garden and then brave heading out the gate. It took a few weeks before he would even willingly walk even 50 yards. Lucky for us we lived very rural and were surrounded by fields so we only had to get him down a track, past the farm and into a field. Fast forward 3.5 years and you would never know he was the same dog. He loves his walks and will happily run out the door into the garden. However, we still struggle with roads/traffic and a few other things. It isn't hard work to take him for a walk, he trots along, but he gets very put out by cars going past and you can see him getting worked up. And if he happens to go someplace that isn't a big green open space he just doesn't enjoy it anywhere near as much. If he can see or hear a car going along a road you can see the upset it causes in his body language. He becomes subdued and stops running and playing. We love our dog and I am trying my hardest to see if it could work for him over in Aus. Its not he's not part of the package, because he is. Just the package of Australia probably isn't for him. My knowledge of the dog parks and the restrictions placed on dog owners/dogs in each area mean its not going to maintain the same quality of life he has here. Yes he would have a few places to go on good walks, but biiiiiiig open spaces, the kind he is happy in, well, they are few and far between when living in the middle of a city. It would probably mean a car ride either way to get to those places and then if they are near roads we are stuffed. I have miles of public footpath and bridleways across the countryside here, I doubt I'll get that sort of thing within a 20-30 minute drive of where we will be living (I've already done some research), if I can get that sort of thing at all that I can visit with relative ease. So if I think about him, his personality and all it entails, I know us letting my parents have him would be better for him. We never got him to give him up. I've owned many dogs in my lifetime and he would be the first I have ever left behind. Dogs take an average of 7-10 days to imprint on a new home when rehomed. Many settle far quicker (I know, I am a foster carer for 2 dog rescues here in the UK). They don't miss what they left, they soon adapt to their new home and join in with the family pack if made welcome. I know our dog would do something similar and he would be happy. I think I'd be selfish to take him but I am still trying to find a way to make it work but accept the more I read, the more I weigh everything up, knowing where we will be living and our situation, he is better off here with my parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubeany Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 when put like that I totally agree with you and the reason I am taking ours is I have looked into where we are going and I know from a friend who lives in same place as we are going that its ok for dogs and lots of families have them there. Sounds like you have made your decision and think its a brilliant idea alround as your dog will still be in the family so thats just great. good luck with it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thanks for this, I think you are right. It is our dog who will suffer and she is a little bit nervy anyway. I need someone to tell me DO NOT TAKE THE DOG!!!! I'm exhaused with making massive decisions. I'm going to talk to the kids about it tonight, my OH thinks I'm mad considering it. I do think he's thinking of the money rather than the dog. Thanks again. I'm not saying don't take her. Only you and your family can decide that. But if you put the dogs needs first in this, you know her best and know what she is happy with and how she copes with things. She should be fine flying over, lots of dogs struggle in kennels regardless of how lovely everyone may be. Some cope fine, but lots don't to varying degrees. It's her potential new life in Aus you need to think about, your new life. I know for us, the things I keep coming back to for our dog is that we are going to have a much busier house in terms of visitors and also I may return to working more after the initial settling in period. So having the luxury of driving 20 minutes plus each way to walk him somewhere he is happy in may not be an option 5 days a week. Is this fair on our dog knowing how he is? Making him walk down the beach or a dog park which is only enough room for dogs to run round a fenced in space, not really a 'walk' as we know and love. And if near roads as many of them are he simply won't run around or do anything. Same if there are more than a few dogs near by. He is nervous and simply comes and sits near me. His body language screams nervousness and after 3.5 years with him, I know we can do no more in terms of his issues. They are what they are and we have helped him no end to reach the point he has, but I realise we can't expect *everything* baggage wise for him to be repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 when put like that I totally agree with you and the reason I am taking ours is I have looked into where we are going and I know from a friend who lives in same place as we are going that its ok for dogs and lots of families have them there. Sounds like you have made your decision and think its a brilliant idea alround as your dog will still be in the family so thats just great. good luck with it all Yeah. We can't really change the area we will be living in. Its hubby's hometown and all his family and many of his friends are there. Its the only place he wants to live in back in Aus and living anywhere else, even an hour out of the city in a smaller town, its a non starter for us. Also work wise its the most practical option for what he does. We are moving back to see more of the family, friends, so our kid(s) can grow up in the city, have all the things on hand as they grow that we don't get living rural or in a small town like we do here. And a whole host of other reasons. We always planned to bring the dog, but our visit last Easter, we looked round the dog parks in the neighbourhoods we will be near, checked out the country aspect and beaches and it was a far thinner list of options than either of us thought we would have. I keep trying to find ways to make it more workable though.... :sad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest china Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's so good reading everyone else's situations on here, as I am changing my mind every single day! Take ehr, don't take her. I don't have the worry about her being scared or anything, as she is fine in traffic, with people, in open spaces everything. I am just worried about her being sad during quarantine, and also she is 12, so a little bit old. Also the cost is really an issue, I am figuring it will be about the guts of £4000 to bring her, and we also have the option of my mum - she was our family dog anyway, but cam to live with me two years ago, so going to my mum would acutally be going back, so in a way having such a goo doption makes it harder because it is completely viable to leave her AND bring her. In a way I wish there was less choice because as others have said, there are just too many decisions to make. We are planning on going in feb next year, so still have a couple of months to decide - and I think I am planning on preparing her with the vet etc anyway to keep options open. Sorry I am rambling, just realised I was typing at the same time as thinking - eek! I look forward to hearing more of peoples' ideas and plans! x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Personally, having heard more of your situation, if it were me, its one where I would give her back to my parents. If she was the family pet and used to live there and has only been with you for two years and is now 12, I'd think why put her through all that when she is just as happy with the parents. She is familiar with being at your parents and used to live with them most of her life. Let them keep her again if they are offering and able. Look at it this way, you are all heading off to Australia to live, let them have her back, for the companionship, the memories, the love she can give them. It'll help them hugely to have her to look after, give affection to and have for company once you are moved. Yes you'll miss her, but you know she will be really happy with them and you'll have peace of mind. ETA - Got a couple of people mixed up, as both replied, apolgies. I hate keep quoting stuff to keep on track. Edited post to read correctly in reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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