RegDwight Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Also want to add that most people are afraid of legislation changing that might adversely affect them rather than allotments (according to places available). Occupation priorities might change again in May when the new SOL is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Reg, are you talking about the cap and kill legislation in particular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegDwight Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Reg, are you talking about the cap and kill legislation in particular? The minister said that he does intend on using his powers to authorize the cap and cease bill. I'm referring to the SOL, it can have an impact on which priority one ends up in. E.g. welder might not be in Cat3 anymore, which means delays for people in that occupation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stayer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Stayer, thanks for your insightful comments, but until you have evidence to support your theory that Cat 4 are DEFINITELY not being processed, then I am going to support the opposite view, given that I have some evidence of that... Cheers, Robyn Hi Robyn where is the evidence? I know of about 2 unverifiable cases which posted to some threads maybe just to gain attention. One of them had questionable assessment. Do you actually know anyone personally who is Cat 4 and was processed recently? Why should I give proof that Cat 4 is not being processed? Giving evidence that something is not happening? Does not make much sense to me. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegDwight Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hi Robyn where is the evidence? I know of about 2 unverifiable cases which posted to some threads maybe just to gain attention. One of them had questionable assessment. Do you actually know anyone personally who is Cat 4 and was processed recently? Why should I give proof that Cat 4 is not being processed? Giving evidence that something is not happening? Does not make much sense to me. Thanks Folks, there is no doubt about Cat4 NOT being processed. It is not. The information from DIAC which is updated every fortnight does not yet show any info on Cat4 applications but it does show consistent info about Cat2 and Cat3. If it's any consolation, DIAC hopes to begin Cat4 after July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Really? I haven't heard anything as direct as that from the Minister. In actual fact, I was under the impression that it has all gone quiet on the Cap and Kill front as the proposed bill had lapsed. If they do plan on using it, they will need to go through the whole process of having it passed through Parliament again etc... With regard to the SOL list, well yes there is a risk that some people may have their applications downgraded following a change to the SOL list, but on the other hand, some people may benefit if their occupation is re-instated to the list. Besides, I haven't heard any talk of amendments to the SOL in July? There are changes to the points test and various other bits and pieces, but I thought the SOL was likely to remain as is for now, at least??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hi Robyn where is the evidence? I know of about 2 unverifiable cases which posted to some threads maybe just to gain attention. One of them had questionable assessment. Do you actually know anyone personally who is Cat 4 and was processed recently? Why should I give proof that Cat 4 is not being processed? Giving evidence that something is not happening? Does not make much sense to me. Thanks Stayer, have you actually read all of the comments on this thread? In particular, the posts I have made? As you'll see, the evidence I have is that one of my best friends has had her visa granted... and she was Category 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegDwight Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Really? I haven't heard anything as direct as that from the Minister. In actual fact, I was under the impression that it has all gone quiet on the Cap and Kill front as the proposed bill had lapsed. If they do plan on using it, they will need to go through the whole process of having it passed through Parliament again etc... With regard to the SOL list, well yes there is a risk that some people may have their applications downgraded following a change to the SOL list, but on the other hand, some people may benefit if their occupation is re-instated to the list. Besides, I haven't heard any talk of amendments to the SOL in July? There are changes to the points test and various other bits and pieces, but I thought the SOL was likely to remain as is for now, at least??? It's all internal information that has only been released to the MIA and has been leaked. The minister never stated his intentions publicly, he also would not do that. Obviously, we can't know what his final decision will be - but that is the word on the street- he does not want to use the C&C and plus DIAC is making good process. The new SOL is coming out in May 2011 to take effect from July 2011. As you know the old SOL is being rapidly exhausted due the large number of applicants in the pipeline - a change to the SOL is logical after 1 year and several thousand applications. Some occupations will stay and others will go. Skills Australia provides a forecast of occupations that might both stay or go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 It's all internal information that has only been released to the MIA and has been leaked. The minister never stated his intentions publicly, he also would not do that. Obviously, we can't know what his final decision will be - but that is the word on the street- he does not want to use the C&C and plus DIAC is making good process. The new SOL is coming out in May 2011 to take effect from July 2011. As you know the old SOL is being rapidly exhausted due the large number of applicants in the pipeline - a change to the SOL is logical after 1 year and several thousand applications. Some occupations will stay and others will go. Skills Australia provides a forecast of occupations that might both stay or go. Thanks Reg for the info, although did you mean to say.. "that is the word on the street- he does want to use the C&C"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtual_bajwa Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Well, I do not understand what is the result of all this discussion. DIAC will do what they want. I hope they are reading any part of this discussion of Category 4 thread. If this would have happen I must get the visa long time back. I had participated in lots of such discussions. but DIAC does what they want. And no one can predict their decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Virtual Bajwa I know there is a lot of uncertainty about the DIAC and the visa allocation process: however, unlike you, I have not lost all hope just yet. Therefore, may I suggest that you simply chose to ignore this discussion if you find it so completely useless. Let us carry on, and if we find anything that is of interest to you, then please feel free to comment again. Cheers, Robyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtual_bajwa Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Virtual Bajwa I know there is a lot of uncertainty about the DIAC and the visa allocation process: however, unlike you, I have not lost all hope just yet. Therefore, may I suggest that you simply chose to ignore this discussion if you find it so completely useless. Let us carry on, and if we find anything that is of interest to you, then please feel free to comment again. Cheers, Robyn 4 years of useless waiting drive me crazy. so that is why I believe there is no point in making any comments or discussion which are far from reality. There is only one reality and that is DIAC does not approve the processing category 4. So no point in making any assumptions .. With due respect to all. I find it very difficult to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stayer Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Stayer, have you actually read all of the comments on this thread? In particular, the posts I have made? As you'll see, the evidence I have is that one of my best friends has had her visa granted... and she was Category 4. Hi Robyn, did you mean the Primary School Teacher? Was her application Onshore or Offshore? Are you sure she was not state sponsored? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANO7 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Thanks Reg for the info, although did you mean to say.. "that is the word on the street- he does want to use the C&C"? Does he want to use the C & C or not ? I was under the impression that the C & C was a dead duck now. They cant Cease occupations within a Sc they could only Cease a complete sc. As Cat 4 is made up of 175, 176 they cant cease the group The way the hindered the applicants progress was to change the priority processing order by introducing the SOL3 and the SMPs. Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hi Robyn, did you mean the Primary School Teacher? Was her application Onshore or Offshore? Are you sure she was not state sponsored? Thanks Yes, she is a primary school teacher. Her application was initially made offshore (from the UK), although she is in Oz at the moment on a Working Holiday visa: hence the pre-grant letter advising her to leave the country so that her visa can be granted. No, she was not State sponsored. She was a straightforward s175 Independent GSM visa applicant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Does he want to use the C & C or not ? I was under the impression that the C & C was a dead duck now. They cant Cease occupations within a Sc they could only Cease a complete sc. As Cat 4 is made up of 175, 176 they cant cease the group The way the hindered the applicants progress was to change the priority processing order by introducing the SOL3 and the SMPs. Shane hi Shane, Mmm, that makes me a little apprehensive, as I know that the DIAC are essentially doing away with family sponsored (176) GSM visa's from July: the new points test does not allocate points for family sponsorship. Therefore, I wonder if there is any possibility that they will look to use the Cap and Cease bill against existing visa's in this subclass. Do you know what percentage of Category 4 applicants are s 176? Cheers, Robz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANO7 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 hi Shane, Mmm, that makes me a little apprehensive, as I know that the DIAC are essentially doing away with family sponsored (176) GSM visa's from July: the new points test does not allocate points for family sponsorship. Therefore, I wonder if there is any possibility that they will look to use the Cap and Cease bill against existing visa's in this subclass. Do you know what percentage of Category 4 applicants are s 176? Cheers, Robz Hi Robz I couldn't tell you . We are Skilled sponsored in SC 176 but not on SMP. So again I cant see how they can Cease 176 as this would also include those apps in Cat 2 under 176 who are on SMP list . They would have to terminate those also. Even when July 1st takes effect they are still sc 176 etc I think there will not be a C & C bill in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suandianbrown Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yes, she is a primary school teacher. Her application was initially made offshore (from the UK), although she is in Oz at the moment on a Working Holiday visa: hence the pre-grant letter advising her to leave the country so that her visa can be granted. No, she was not State sponsored. She was a straightforward s175 Independent GSM visa applicant. Robyn, You say your friend is a primary school teacher,does she teach the early primary, ie 3-7 year olds, as in Australia children do not start primary school until 6 years old, so DIAC may have processed your friend as a pre-primary school teacher which is on the SOL list??? is this likely to be the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtual_bajwa Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Robyn, You say your friend is a primary school teacher,does she teach the early primary, ie 3-7 year olds, as in Australia children do not start primary school until 6 years old, so DIAC may have processed your friend as a pre-primary school teacher which is on the SOL list??? is this likely to be the case? Yes, exactly this could be the possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Robyn, You say your friend is a primary school teacher,does she teach the early primary, ie 3-7 year olds, as in Australia children do not start primary school until 6 years old, so DIAC may have processed your friend as a pre-primary school teacher which is on the SOL list??? is this likely to be the case? She applied as a primary school teacher and unless her migration agent changed her application (post July 2010) without her knowledge, then her application was in this profession. It is not that easy to simply flip between a pre-primary and primary school teacher: each has very specific requirements and I'm sure the DIAC (and the relevant skills assesment body) are wise enough to spot this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherise Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Robyn, You say your friend is a primary school teacher,does she teach the early primary, ie 3-7 year olds, as in Australia children do not start primary school until 6 years old, so DIAC may have processed your friend as a pre-primary school teacher which is on the SOL list??? is this likely to be the case? That might be the case but being a primary school teacher myself when you are completing you skills assessment you have to choose what area of specialisation you are, i.e. pre-primary, primary or high school. So maybe Robyn could confirm with her friend what she assessed as. :err: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherise Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 She applied as a primary school teacher and unless her migration agent changed her application (post July 2010) without her knowledge, then her application was in this profession. It is not that easy to simply flip between a pre-primary and primary school teacher: each has very specific requirements and I'm sure the DIAC (and the relevant skills assesment body) are wise enough to spot this. Exactly my point and you have to have the relevant teaching experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suandianbrown Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 She applied as a primary school teacher and unless her migration agent changed her application (post July 2010) without her knowledge, then her application was in this profession. It is not that easy to simply flip between a pre-primary and primary school teacher: each has very specific requirements and I'm sure the DIAC (and the relevant skills assesment body) are wise enough to spot this. I am sorry...you seem very angry, the reason I asked this question, my daughter is about to start her primary education degree at university in England she will be studying early years education, I was hoping this would allow her to teach pre primary in asutralia or primary school in England:hug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 That might be the case but being a primary school teacher myself when you are completing you skills assessment you have to choose what area of specialisation you are, i.e. pre-primary, primary or high school. So maybe Robyn could confirm with her friend what she assessed as. :err: Hi Cherise, She has confirmed that her application was as a primary school teacher, in the 175 Independent GSM visa class. I've been bothering her with the same questions for days now, I think she is really get fed up with me!! :embarrassed: HOWEVER, I have asked her (one final time) to double check with her migration agent that they didn't change her occupation or visa to a SMP, although I find it hard to imagine that they would have done this without her consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RobynD Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I am sorry...you seem very angry, the reason I asked this question, my daughter is about to start her primary education degree at university in England she will be studying early years education, I was hoping this would allow her to teach pre primary in asutralia or primary school in England:hug: Sorry, not angry at all with you. I'm just feeling a little frustrated, as some people dont seem to believe that my friend's visa has been granted. I am honestly not making any of this up... why would I? I am not a teacher, unfortunately - but I have a few friends who have applied as teachers and I know that they had problems with the definitions of pre and primary school teachers. Best to ask someone who knows more about this profession: sorry I can't be of more help. Cheers, Robyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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