tonyman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 are there any Doctors on here .....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 are there any Doctors on here .....? Im a doctor sometimes ,what ails you bro,or more to the point,what doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 what are you trying to say ? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 what are you trying to say ? :confused: Im trying to find a bit of you that isnt broken:laugh::wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Im trying to find a bit of you that isnt broken:laugh::wubclub: not sure if I want to share my latest ailment ..........bit embarrassing but I could pretend I`m asking for a friend .......?.....:goofy:.........:embarrassed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 not sure if I want to share my latest ailment ..........bit embarrassing but I could pretend I`m asking for a friend .......?.....:goofy:.........:embarrassed: Lol,yeah mate,no one will guess,caneasten combi is good im told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Lol,yeah mate,no one will guess,caneasten combi is good im told close............few inches to the left or right ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hello, everyone. I am a GP from the Philippines (actually with specialty in Occupational Medicine but I do not know if this is recognized in Australia) and also a Registered Nurse. I am on a PR visa, as a dependent of my husband. I have been here in Melbourne for three weeks now. I am now deciding whether to go for the MD or RN route -- is there anyone out here who went here as PR first, then registered? I keep hearing from my med school classmates (some of them are here, came here 2006) how it's now hard to find GP work here, but when I went to the RN thread, they also talk about how hard it is to find work here. Any advice will be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikopol Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 There are vacancies as a GP but I think it will depend if you can transfer into the Australian GP system with you qualifications. I think you should look at the AMC and AHPRA websites and see how that fits into your situation. (Having PR does make it a lot easier to join a training program in Australia once you've got your medical certification sorted out). If you're ready to work in AON (area of need), there are lots of places available. The problem is that not many people are keen to leave the urban setting. I'm not sure about nursing but from talking to nurses, there seems to be a lot more applicants for each post than there used to be. http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/AON/Pages/gp-vacancies.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I just found out GP in the Philippines is different from GP here. So it basically means Family Medicine in the US/Phils is GP here. That leaves me with no specialization. Unless they recognize Occupational Medicine. My classmates who went here had to do JMO then RMO. Usually they get stuck on RMO because they could not get any training post. So I guess first thing is to clear AMC then apply for JMO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi, well I am not a doctor, but I can tell you in some areas you need to literally sell your sole to get in to see a GP.. In Glen Innes NSW, there is a Years waiting list to get on to the actual waiting list ! and then at least another year before you can be accepted as a patient . Alternative is a 40 minuet drive to Armidale. As has been said doctors want to live in the capital cities always been like that sadly. In Wellington NSW there is a 6 - 8 week wait to get to see a doctor again alternative is to drive all the way to Dubbo. Shame really as some of these country towns are really lovely with good schools and reasonable priced housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikopol Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I just found out GP in the Philippines is different from GP here. So it basically means Family Medicine in the US/Phils is GP here. That leaves me with no specialization. Unless they recognize Occupational Medicine. My classmates who went here had to do JMO then RMO. Usually they get stuck on RMO because they could not get any training post. So I guess first thing is to clear AMC then apply for JMO? Well that is one way of going about things - you start off as Intern (PGY1) then move your way up through the system if you can get your medical degree recognised. Generally speaking it seems a lot less arduous hours that what I worked in the UK. I'm not sure about being able to enter straight into training but since you have a PR it will make it a lot easier. However, I think you will need to have full AHPRA certification to get formally accepted on the training programs (see the various websites from the different colleges). For a UK graduate, that will take a year (+ The time for AMC and AHPRA to process the documentation). They will be interviewing in July/August for the intake for next february. The issue getting an Intern job will be the current increase in Interns due to the increase in medical posts over the last few years meaning there may be more interns than jobs. Maybe apply for SRMO / RMO jobs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi Tina2, thank you for that. That gives me a nudge and encouragement. Hi Nikopol, can I apply straight to SRMO/RMO? What's JMO? The people I know who went here in 2006 (and was quite fortunate because they said it was easy for them - they were under a different visa thought) seem to be all stuck in RMO positions, except two. Sorry for the ignorance, so the hierarchy is, medicine student, intern, SRMO, RMO, Resident (or Registrar?) then Fellow then Consultant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scattley Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi Tina2, thank you for that. That gives me a nudge and encouragement. Hi Nikopol, can I apply straight to SRMO/RMO? What's JMO? The people I know who went here in 2006 (and was quite fortunate because they said it was easy for them - they were under a different visa thought) seem to be all stuck in RMO positions, except two. Sorry for the ignorance, so the hierarchy is, medicine student, intern, SRMO, RMO, Resident (or Registrar?) then Fellow then Consultant? For most program's you cannot apply for specialisation until you are a citizen and then the competition is very high. In the past 2-3 years even GP program's have become harder to get into..and the ones that miss out are the overseas trained doctors not the Australian or NZ trained ones. OTDs need to train in rural australia...is your partner able to move outside the capital cities? If not, then the training program's are going to mean you moving away from each other for several years...with children that will be hard (and is the reason OTDs tend to fail the program)....this is the reason your friends have not progressed past the RMO level...and with the increase in more junior and cheaper doctors coming rough the orogram..doctors who are "stuck" and not progressed will be loosing their jobs in the next 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi scattley, My husband is a senior java developer, and yeah his job entails him being in the city, hence, Melbourne. I am also a nurse btw so if the MD won't pan out that is another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scattley Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Hi scattley, My husband is a senior java developer, and yeah his job entails him being in the city, hence, Melbourne. I am also a nurse btw so if the MD won't pan out that is another option. That wil be a better option. As a GP you are not permitted to work in Melbourne during your training (at least 2 years) and for 10 years post Australian medical registration you need special permission (used. To be easy but is getting harder) to work in outer regions of Melbourne...you are supposed to work in rural Australia until the 10 years it up.only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 That wil be a better option. As a GP you are not permitted to work in Melbourne during your training (at least 2 years) and for 10 years post Australian medical registration you need special permission (used. To be easy but is getting harder) to work in outer regions of Melbourne...you are supposed to work in rural Australia until the 10 years it up.only So where are all the doctors in rural areas ? There is a drastic shortage of GPs, and specialists ? well all i can say is good luck getting an appointment, around 6 weeks if you go private up to 3 or 4 years if you are on the public wait list. Where we are now is a "large" country town and I have to drive 90km to see a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scattley Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So where are all the doctors in rural areas ? There is a drastic shortage of GPs, and specialists ? well all i can say is good luck getting an appointment, around 6 weeks if you go private up to 3 or 4 years if you are on the public wait list. Where we are now is a "large" country town and I have to drive 90km to see a specialist. The issue with places like Glen Innis is that there is no room for more doctors within the existing practices. There are no more rooms. You need a new practice to be built and that is not something a newly arrived doctor can do..they have no funds. You either need the primary health cares (which are businesses not owned by doctors) or an experienced GP with cash to move there. Specialists need a hospital and a full patient load..if there are only enough patients for 1-2 days a monthly even a week in a region you are not going to get someone to move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 The issue with places like Glen Innis is that there is no room for more doctors within the existing practices. There are no more rooms. You need a new practice to be built and that is not something a newly arrived doctor can do..they have no funds. You either need the primary health cares (which are businesses not owned by doctors) or an experienced GP with cash to move there. Specialists need a hospital and a full patient load..if there are only enough patients for 1-2 days a monthly even a week in a region you are not going to get someone to move there. I know that in Glen Innes there was a Canadian Doctor who decided to return to Canada, and they could not find a replacement, and the most senior doctor is so old he is cutting back on patients. I guess I look at the comparison to a small town we lived in an hour from Melbourne, but with a population of only 5000 but they had a fantastic medical center, Xrays, Ultra sound, and other allied services, but again only an hour from Melbourne. Country hospital but again very well set up, and heaps of visiting specialists. Comes back to the same thing, people prefer to be near major capital cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scattley Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes that's it. The doctors who need to work in rural Australia due to moratorium issues all want to live in Newcastle so commute to the nearest rural placement to there...Tamworth is too far for them let alone Guyra or above. If you are more than one hour from a city, doctors don't want to work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes that's it. The doctors who need to work in rural Australia due to moratorium issues all want to live in Newcastle so commute to the nearest rural placement to there...Tamworth is too far for them let alone Guyra or above. If you are more than one hour from a city, doctors don't want to work there. 100% correct. Currently we live in a large town about 3 hours from Melbourne, 12,000 residents, plus a large amount of tourists who come and go, but take in the surrounding rural areas between Shepparton, Echuca and Bendigo, close to 70,000 but as I said live in Echuca and expect to drive an hour to either Shepparton or Bendigo for most specialist, but even then Shepparton is limited as far as specialists go, the one I see only does SKYPE consults. Echuca has just seen its first bulk bill center opened running 7 days a week, all the doctors are indian, and set up by an indian doctor, up to now our GPs only worked 9-5 M-F. Bendigo is building a top new hospital again an hour away, but the hope is wait lists will come down, interesting as again Bendigo is only about 2 hours from Melbourne so I guess a bit like New Castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 100% correct. Currently we live in a large town about 3 hours from Melbourne, 12,000 residents, plus a large amount of tourists who come and go, but take in the surrounding rural areas between Shepparton, Echuca and Bendigo, close to 70,000 but as I said live in Echuca and expect to drive an hour to either Shepparton or Bendigo for most specialist, but even then Shepparton is limited as far as specialists go, the one I see only does SKYPE consults. Echuca has just seen its first bulk bill center opened running 7 days a week, all the doctors are indian, and set up by an indian doctor, up to now our GPs only worked 9-5 M-F. Bendigo is building a top new hospital again an hour away, but the hope is wait lists will come down, interesting as again Bendigo is only about 2 hours from Melbourne so I guess a bit like New Castle. So if I get into GP practice, I could work there. It's fairly close to Melbourne, where my husband is. The question now is, will I get into a GP practice, considering that despite the demand the training positions are said to be hard to come by. MD or RN...the only downside I could think of for RN is, well, the pay is smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Lack of appointments and getting on a doctors lists is not just in the country, like the country in areas which are deemed not desirable by doctors its hard in the cities to get on a list and to get an appointment. Doctors in city areas like to live near good private schools, good suburbs etc etc they are no different to any of us really. My parents lived in Euroa for a while and there were a lot of doctors there as its a sheep farming and horsey area and lots of thoroughbred studs for both horses and sheep around and a lot of doctors choose to have that lifestyle and send their children to boarding school. My mother has only just got on a list to see a doctor where she lives on the Mornington Peninsula, prior to her getting on the list, I used to pick her up and bring her to my doctors. So country areas do need doctors and specialists and so do areas of the cities as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigone Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If there is such a need for GPs and specialists that people wait for weeks and even months to see a doctor, why is it that getting into Medicine in Australia seems to be harder now than it was, say, in 2006, when some of my med school classmates went here breezily (no AMC requirement, papers done in weeks, etc)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Lack of appointments and getting on a doctors lists is not just in the country, like the country in areas which are deemed not desirable by doctors its hard in the cities to get on a list and to get an appointment. Doctors in city areas like to live near good private schools, good suburbs etc etc they are no different to any of us really. My parents lived in Euroa for a while and there were a lot of doctors there as its a sheep farming and horsey area and lots of thoroughbred studs for both horses and sheep around and a lot of doctors choose to have that lifestyle and send their children to boarding school. My mother has only just got on a list to see a doctor where she lives on the Mornington Peninsula, prior to her getting on the list, I used to pick her up and bring her to my doctors. So country areas do need doctors and specialists and so do areas of the cities as well. Well that should give Antigone more hope, wonder if there is a list of places looking for Doctors she could tap into ? Might be worth contacting the Bendigo Hospital to see if she can find any info there. Bendigo is a fantastic city, good train and freeway to Melbourne as well, and this hospital they are building will be state of the art. Even google doctors in Bendigo and contact a few surgeries. Would strongly recommend Bendigo over Shepparton. Shep is not that nice a place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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