Petals Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Giving the thread a bump for any doctors who want information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Doctor Doctor , people just keep ignoring me ..............? :ssign14: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 you guys are suppose to say "NEXT"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Hi there, I am new to the forum so a big hello to everyone! A bit about myself: I am a 38 years old GP from Malaysia with approximately 10 years general practice work experience. My wife works in research and we have a 5 months old daughter. I completed RACGP’s exam in Malaysia several years ago and am a current fellow of the college. My wife and I plan to move to Australia permanently in about 2-3 years time. Based on earlier postings in this excellent thread, it seems that the ENS 457 is the most popular visa to start work in Australia. As I have 2-3 years more to go before I can transit to Australia, I am just wondering if it is possible for me to obtain full registration with AHPRA and GMS 175 visa before looking for work. Apparently, one needs a job offer before one can obtain full registration with AHPRA. Can any member help to verify this? Any advice/experience sharing will be much appreciated. Thanks! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Hi there, I am new to the forum so a big hello to everyone! A bit about myself: I am a 38 years old GP from Malaysia with approximately 10 years general practice work experience. My wife works in research and we have a 5 months old daughter. I completed RACGP’s exam in Malaysia several years ago and am a current fellow of the college. My wife and I plan to move to Australia permanently in about 2-3 years time. Based on earlier postings in this excellent thread, it seems that the ENS 457 is the most popular visa to start work in Australia. As I have 2-3 years more to go before I can transit to Australia, I am just wondering if it is possible for me to obtain full registration with AHPRA and GMS 175 visa before looking for work. Apparently, one needs a job offer before one can obtain full registration with AHPRA. Can any member help to verify this? Any advice/experience sharing will be much appreciated. Thanks! John Hi and welcome. We were in a very different situation, but if you are already FRACGP then I guess you should find the process easier. The reason we had to come on a 457 was that the process for my wife to get her fellowship meant she had to be working in Australia within 6 months of the assessment, but this may not be a limitation for you. The 186 is another option. Be aware that you will probably face restrictions on where you can work for up to the first 10 years after you arrive. (see www.doctorconnect.gov.au) Suggest you have a look at the rural doctors agencies in the states you would consider to see the jobs that are presently available. If you would consider a lovely job in Northern NSW and close to the coast I will send you details of my wife's practice who are presently looking for GPs. All the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Thanks for sharing and I will get in touch if we decide on NSW! Best wishes, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hi and welcome. We were in a very different situation, but if you are already FRACGP then I guess you should find the process easier. The reason we had to come on a 457 was that the process for my wife to get her fellowship meant she had to be working in Australia within 6 months of the assessment, but this may not be a limitation for you. The 186 is another option. Be aware that you will probably face restrictions on where you can work for up to the first 10 years after you arrive. (see www.doctorconnect.gov.au) Suggest you have a look at the rural doctors agencies in the states you would consider to see the jobs that are presently available. If you would consider a lovely job in Northern NSW and close to the coast I will send you details of my wife's practice who are presently looking for GPs. All the best! Which part of Northern NSW are you based Dorset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Which part of Northern NSW are you based Dorset? I've tried to PM you, hopefully it worked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swell Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Hi Its good to see a few docs/GP's on here we as a family are moving out to Brisbane at the end of the week on a 457 I went through the registration process with AMC,RACGP then AHPRA with some hiccups along the way so happy to advise if anyone needs Sea Breeze , I'm ex Malaysian but moved to the UK over 20yrs ago- my understanding of full registration with AHPRA is that you need to be in country for this to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hi, Swell --> thanks for your advice. I have gotten in touch with a recruitment agency and it seems that most practices will only sponsor 457 visa applications. As I am looking at a more permanent move, I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to find a practice that can help sponsor a 186 visa (direct entry). Are there practices that will be more inclined to sponsor a 186 visa for offshore doctors? Thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Hi, Swell --> thanks for your advice. I have gotten in touch with a recruitment agency and it seems that most practices will only sponsor 457 visa applications. As I am looking at a more permanent move, I am wondering how easy/difficult it is to find a practice that can help sponsor a 186 visa (direct entry). Are there practices that will be more inclined to sponsor a 186 visa for offshore doctors? Thanks, John Hi John, We're moving out in January next year on a 457 - I'm a GP, my wife's an O&G doc and our 2 children, aged 2 & 3. i think that there is a reluctance to sponsor for 186 both due to the timescale and costs involved. You might find that one of the corporate providers such as IPN might be prepared to offer this with a lengthy contract tie in. For flexibility you might be better going on a 457 then applying for PR in country, either employer supported or directly yourself. That also means that if things don't work out you can move back without the expense of PR plus you'll be able to bring back your superannuation contributions, an option you wouldn't have if on PR. Any help you need do just ask as there's lots of advice available here. Good luck! Best wishes, Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest genorm Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I agree with Stu. Its a matter of timing as a PR can take forever, especially when you have to prove everything you have done as a professional. As an example, we recently recruited for a Consultant, and, although the submitted applicants were extremely strong, the actual recruitment process is likely to take almost a year - and that is for a 457 visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Thanks Stu and Genorm for your advice! Looks like 457 is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Hi All, I am finishing GP training this year and then heading out to Aus next January 2013 with the family on a 457. I have a job already in a city practice. For all the GPs out there - is there anything different about city GP practice in Aus than in UK? Do you see the same type of presentations? Are you required to do anything that you weren't routinely doing in the UK? Are there any extended skills you'd wished you'd had/things you'd wished you polished up on before you went? Thanks and best wishes ... an increasingly nervous Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmck Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Hi All, I am finishing GP training this year and then heading out to Aus next January 2013 with the family on a 457. I have a job already in a city practice. For all the GPs out there - is there anything different about city GP practice in Aus than in UK? Do you see the same type of presentations? Are you required to do anything that you weren't routinely doing in the UK? Are there any extended skills you'd wished you'd had/things you'd wished you polished up on before you went? Thanks and best wishes ... an increasingly nervous Stu. Hi Stu, I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as a trainee applying for a position in Australia. I'm due to finish MICGP training in Ireland in 2015 and hoping to start working in Australia as soon as possible thereafter. Can I ask when did you start to engage with recruitment agencies etc and what is the registration process like if your still to finish training?where employers receptive to taking your application given you were still in training? And is there a particular reason ( visa/registration etc) that you chose to begin working in January given you finish training this year. Sorry a lot of questions and no answers to your questions!thanks for any advice in advance, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Hi Stu, I'd be interested in hearing your experiences as a trainee applying for a position in Australia. I'm due to finish MICGP training in Ireland in 2015 and hoping to start working in Australia as soon as possible thereafter. Can I ask when did you start to engage with recruitment agencies etc and what is the registration process like if your still to finish training?where employers receptive to taking your application given you were still in training? And is there a particular reason ( visa/registration etc) that you chose to begin working in January given you finish training this year. Sorry a lot of questions and no answers to your questions!thanks for any advice in advance, Paul Hi Paul, I think you are right to start giving it some thought now, not least to enable you to research areas where you might like to be based. You may know already, but overseas trained GPs are restricted to working in areas designated DWS (district of workforce shortage), which is basically areas where there is a shortage. Centrally in most major cities, for example Sydney and Melbourne, DWS doesn't apply but some outer areas, usually an hour or so from the centre can be and certainly rural areas of Australia will be. We're actually going to Newcastle, which is a costal city but is on the DWS list. You'll find that recruitment agencies as a whole won't want to start actively looking for positions for you until AprilMay of the year that you qualify. This is because (to answer your other question) you can't really start applying for medical registration until you have your CCT in hand. Although in theory you could register as a doctor now there isn't really any point as to get accreditation as a GP you need to follow the AMC specialist pathway, which you can only start once you have your CCT. The advice we have received is that from starting the AMC specialist pathway to getting your work visa is likely to take 5-6 months. This is why the recruitment agents won't start looking until April or May for you because adding on the time to process medical registration, visas etc, even starting if you get a job in May you wouldn't be able to start until the following January. Having said all that I struck lucky. I found an agent that was prepared to do some 'foot work'. I was subsequently offered a post with a lovely practice that was due to start building an extension to accommodate several more GPs and the extension was due to be completed around the time I would be ready to travel. I had a signed a contract in November last year therefore. I would say yes do the footwork but don't worry about needing to get a job far ahead. At the moment anyway there remains a shortage of GPs in Australia so if you're good, which I am sure you are, you'll get a job, the most important thing is to get the right job for you in an area that you're interested in. Be flexible - Newcastle didn't even hit our short list initially, really because we'd never visited there when we were in Australia and I knew nothing about it. As I did some research after being offered the job we wondered how it had never been on our short list as it looks a great place to live. Now we are very excited. Good luck with your next 2 years, it will fly by, although I must be honest to be glad that I am now in my final 10 weeks. If you need any help or guidance don't hesitate to drop me a note. With best wishes, Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmck Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Hi Stu, Thanks for the reply and advice ,its provided me with a fairly clear time frame in my mind of when to start doing what. Were fairly sure well be in around Perth ( in one of the surrounding towns that are DWS) Its good to know the lag time between CCT and completing registration,visas and being actually available to start working. I guess six months is not that big an issue when you're moving half way around the world and in fairness the six months could be quite necessary to organize all the other practical things and also get some relaxation time in post training and getting ready for the next stage!good luck with your last ten weeks ,enjoy them and the best of luck in Newcastle to you and your family. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerakneds Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Hi All, I'm beginning the process of applying to AHPRA but I can't download the ALPS-03 form on my computer. Has anyone else had any trouble with this? Here is the link I'm using :http://www.medicalboard.gov.au/documents/default.aspx?record=WD10%2F1332&dbid=AP&chksum=y0vW9xOoEsID95VkPRJuzw%3D%3D Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzDoc Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Can someone tell me (on here or by PM) How much a good GP would really make on a 65% mix billing practice? The agencies are saying 260 to 300k but I think that is optimistic. Some real life feedback would be very very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Can someone tell me (on here or by PM) How much a good GP would really make on a 65% mix billing practice? The agencies are saying 260 to 300k but I think that is optimistic. Some real life feedback would be very very helpful. My wife works 8am to 6pm-7pm each day for 4 days. I'll PM you with an approximate earnings rather than post. Then there is of course tax, professional memberships, professional development fees, insurance etc. Cost of living is presently higher here than in the UK due to the high dollar and low pound. When you do your figures, I would suggest you use between $2.20 to $2 to the pound as a conversion to get a more realistic idea of earnings compared to the UK. You are only paid for the work you do rather than a salary, so if few patients come to see you then you won't get as much as if your practice is full. Also will your surgery be bulk-billing (free to the patients) or private, charging more than the medicare standard payments. Be aware that even if private billing many doctors will charge bulk billing fees for children, retired people, and those who are unemployed. Would also advise you research carefully where you would want to live, and what would be good for your family. http://www.nswrdn.com.au/site/gp-vacancies will give you an idea of areas and surgeries that are presently recruiting in NSW - but select Districts of Workforce Shortage. Each state has their own equivalent site. My wife found her job through the rural doctors network. It is much cheaper for surgeries (I think maybe even free) than using an agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKORO Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 My wife works 8am to 6pm-7pm each day for 4 days. I'll PM you with an approximate earnings rather than post. Then there is of course tax, professional memberships, professional development fees, insurance etc. Cost of living is presently higher here than in the UK due to the high dollar and low pound. When you do your figures, I would suggest you use between $2.20 to $2 to the pound as a conversion to get a more realistic idea of earnings compared to the UK. You are only paid for the work you do rather than a salary, so if few patients come to see you then you won't get as much as if your practice is full. Also will your surgery be bulk-billing (free to the patients) or private, charging more than the medicare standard payments. Be aware that even if private billing many doctors will charge bulk billing fees for children, retired people, and those who are unemployed. Would also advise you research carefully where you would want to live, and what would be good for your family. http://www.nswrdn.com.au/site/gp-vacancies will give you an idea of areas and surgeries that are presently recruiting in NSW - but select Districts of Workforce Shortage. Each state has their own equivalent site. My wife found her job through the rural doctors network. It is much cheaper for surgeries (I think maybe even free) than using an agency. Hi Dorset, I am due to start work at the end of this year in a 4 day a week GP position in Brisbane, like CzDoc I am also a bit nervous that the promises we've been told about potential earnings might not live up to reality so if you could let me know any figures you have that would be great. It will be good to know some real figures, especially as your wife also works 4 days. Thanks Kokora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 My wife works 8am to 6pm-7pm each day for 4 days. I'll PM you with an approximate earnings rather than post. Then there is of course tax, professional memberships, professional development fees, insurance etc. Cost of living is presently higher here than in the UK due to the high dollar and low pound. When you do your figures, I would suggest you use between $2.20 to $2 to the pound as a conversion to get a more realistic idea of earnings compared to the UK. You are only paid for the work you do rather than a salary, so if few patients come to see you then you won't get as much as if your practice is full. Also will your surgery be bulk-billing (free to the patients) or private, charging more than the medicare standard payments. Be aware that even if private billing many doctors will charge bulk billing fees for children, retired people, and those who are unemployed. Would also advise you research carefully where you would want to live, and what would be good for your family. http://www.nswrdn.com.au/site/gp-vacancies will give you an idea of areas and surgeries that are presently recruiting in NSW - but select Districts of Workforce Shortage. Each state has their own equivalent site. My wife found her job through the rural doctors network. It is much cheaper for surgeries (I think maybe even free) than using an agency. I'd be grateful for a PM with your experience of realistic earnings too please Devon. Best wishes, Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefftosyd Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Hello everyone, I am new to PIO. came across this very helpful thread. Thanks for all the advice on this thread so far. I am a UK trained GP. I have applied for AMC registration 6w ago. I received a confirmation email saying they recived my documents a week later. I rang AMC earlier in week for an update and they said it is not assessed yet and they are quiet a few applicants to assess before my turn Can anyone who recently applied for AMC/ARCGP etc tell me the current time scales and if I should be doing anything to chase it up in meantime. Reading through previous posts its looks like best to apply for 457 visa first and then go for permanent residency. Has anyone got experience with directly applying for the new 189 skills select visa and timescales? Also any doctors out there in Sydney to advise me about life after coming there i.e finding rental properties, cars etc Sorry for so many questions, usual anxieties of emigrating Many thanks for ur replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefftosyd Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Any recommendations for good shipping companies from UK to Sydney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 hi Shefftosyd, Our situations are similar. I applied for AMC registration 9 weeks ago and other than the confirmation email, I have not heard from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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