Oh no! Not enough points:-( Any hope?

[Rumblyvike]

We are at the very early stages of looking at the possibility of emigrating. It's something we've thought about for a long time, but my Mum got very sick and it wasn't possible to leave. Now, some years on, it feels like the right time, the kids (all teens) are now onboard and we thought it was good to look.

Was looking at coming over on a 189 visa, I'm a fairly senior nurse manager, so thought it'd be fine......but have just looked and we are well under the points as I'm 45. I'm so disappointed! 

It looks as if our only hope is for me to get sponsored by an employer on a 186 visa. Is this even a realistic proposition? My work skills would cover me to work as a manager in a hospital, community setting, or within local government in children's health and so on. I have live Nursing registration in the U.K. and can get registered in Australia, it would appear. 

Thanks in advance. 

Edited April 9, 2017 by Rumblyvike
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[wrussell]

RSMS skilled visas are not points tested.

May I suggest that you consult a registered migration agent for advice about developing a visa strategy?

[Rumblyvike]

Just now, wrussell said:

RSMS skilled visas are not points tested.

May I suggest that you consult a registered migration agent for advice about developing a visa strategy?

What's an RSMS skilled visa? Sorry, I appreciate I'm being thick, it's all very new to me! 

Tring to avoid involving expensive agents unless I know it's a feasible prospect for us as a family as we will have to save like mad for a year or so :-) 

[VERYSTORMY]

Getting any form of sponsorship for nurses has become a lot harder in recent years. Generally when sponsorship is offered it is a 457. The problem with which is it is a temporary visa with no guarantee of permanent. So, you would have to take it on the assumption you would be returning at the end of the 457. It also carries a number of big issues. Particularly if your kids wanted to attend university while on it. 

[Rumblyvike]

11 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Getting any form of sponsorship for nurses has become a lot harder in recent years. Generally when sponsorship is offered it is a 457. The problem with which is it is a temporary visa with no guarantee of permanent. So, you would have to take it on the assumption you would be returning at the end of the 457. It also carries a number of big issues. Particularly if your kids wanted to attend university while on it. 

Okay, thanks. We wouldn't come on a temporary visa. Will take a look at local government, as have a public health degree, so might find something more suitable there, I guess. Otherwise will have to go back to the drawing board.....

Edited April 9, 2017 by Rumblyvike

[VERYSTORMY]

It is very hard for anyone to qualify after the age of 45. How old is your husband and what's his occupation?

[Rumblyvike]

1 hour ago, VERYSTORMY said:

It is very hard for anyone to qualify after the age of 45. How old is your husband and what's his occupation?

Old, and a police officer. We'll see. 

[wrussell]

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[dthomp123]

It's difficult to get the points at 45+.  But not impossible.  We're doing it.  But need not only the main visa holder but also partner points (both have to be on the same SOL or CSOL list).  And extra points for State Sponsorship (190 visa not 189).  And a superior English test pass.    60 points 

If you're happy to live in a regional area I think you can get a State sponsorship for five additional points, maybe as an alternative to Partner points  

It's massively challenging.  Doing both our skills assessments was crazy, one of us had to go back twenty years for relevant references .  But we got them both. That should have been the tough bit.  But now husband is struggling to get superior score needed on the English test.   And in the meantime, his code as main visa person has been temporarily taken off the State we were going to apply for.  If it doesn't go back on, we're in trouble as, like you, we can't go in on a 189, even though he's on the SOL, because we just can't get the points. There's also the danger the State will increase the minimum number of points needed to more than 60 for his code when it does reappear - as some other states have done 

We've come so far, we're determined to see this through now.  But we know that after all the hard work and expense up to now, it could go wrong if that code doesn't re appear on the State list.  And if he simply can't get superior English!  Our ages really limit our options

We're being helped by a good agent   But our advice to anybody would be to just do it, if you're younger and think you want it.  At least get the visa and give yourself that five year window.   It always feels like you have all the time in the world when you're younger   And there are always reasons to procrastinate - there's rarely a perfect time for such a huge life change   But realising it's your last chance really focuses the mind    For us it may still be too late - but we're proof that getting enough points is possible in your mid- late forties, if you have a skill on the list, and if the stars align 

 

[Rumblyvike]

Thanks. Hubby is 50 (today!) so no go for partner points. I can get 15 points for my degree (but no credit for my masters, which sucks) 20 for work experience and either 10 or 20 for English. I can go for regional sponsorship, but we don't want to live out of the Melbourne Metropolitan area for uni for the kids. Can't come on a temp visa as kids would then be classed as international students and we'd get hit for massive uni fees. 

We could possibly come in on a 190 if I get a superior English score, as my occupation is on the VIC list, and the extra 5 points for state nomination would take me to the 60 points. 

I've spoken to a couple of recruitment consultants who have indicated I might be able to pick up a sponsored 186 because my skills are quite specialised. That's our only shot, I reckon. If not we will spend the money doing up our house then move somewhere lovely and have some wonderful trips over to see our folks instead. If it's meant to be, it'll happen. If not, then our life will be fabulous in a different way. 

When we get home to the UK I'll make some calls and we'll take a proper look. Hope it works out for you xx

 

 

[Ferrets]

On 4/9/2017 at 2:58 PM, Rumblyvike said:

We are at the very early stages of looking at the possibility of emigrating. It's something we've thought about for a long time, but my Mum got very sick and it wasn't possible to leave. Now, some years on, it feels like the right time, the kids (all teens) are now onboard and we thought it was good to look.

Was looking at coming over on a 189 visa, I'm a fairly senior nurse manager, so thought it'd be fine......but have just looked and we are well under the points as I'm 45. I'm so disappointed! 

It looks as if our only hope is for me to get sponsored by an employer on a 186 visa. Is this even a realistic proposition? My work skills would cover me to work as a manager in a hospital, community setting, or within local government in children's health and so on. I have live Nursing registration in the U.K. and can get registered in Australia, it would appear. 

Thanks in advance. 

Hi there,

Best advice was in the first response.  Have a consultation with a registered MARA agent to understand what your options and migration strategy should be.

An initial consultation does cost, but is not expensive.  However it is invaluable in the overall cost of the migration process, guiding what you need to do and may open doors you hadn't considered.  My case was fairly straightforward but still was useful to get MARA agent feedback - and in fact opened other options via my partner and her family we hadn't thought about.  In your instance I think it is essential.

Good luck

Ferrets

 

[Guest The Pom Queen]

Your first reply was from an agent, who seemed to suggest there was a way in for you. I understand you may not want the cost of an agent but some offer a free initial consultation and others may charge a few hundred which is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Just make sure you go with a registered one. We have a number on here who are very helpful like @wrussell @Raul Senise And @Richard Gregan

[Rumblyvike]

Thanks. I have contacted an agent online, we had a brief conversation and he told me that 'a permanent visa isn't an option' and 'you'll need to go for a sponsored two year temporary visa' He then hassled me via email for a phone consult, but stopped when I told him that he'd already told us we weren't eligible but if he thought that was an error I'd happily speak to him. No contact since.  

To be honest, I've learned more just looking at the Australian Immigration visa than I got from him, as there are several PR options available for us, so the whole 'pay someone to do what you can do yourself' thing isn't seeming very appealing after our experience so far.

This guy was from Emergico, which was a recommended agency. 

 

 

[Ferrets]

I appreciate that it's possible to do this without agents, and in fact I did most on my own.  However I had a consultation to check through the quality of my application. If I had had the consultation earlier in the process we may have had other Visa options that weren't obvious on the Immigration website, but thankfully didn't need it.

Given that the cost of this was around 1% of the Visa process, and 0.33% of the overall Migration process I still think it was good value, if for no other reason than I think our application was high quality with input from the agent such that we got a direct grant very quickly.

If you are looking at other PR options without being able to get 60 points I would definitely recommend as I would assume these are far less straight-forward options!  I would also aim to engage with the principal MARA agent as well, and most of them post here directly.

Good Luck!

 

[VERYSTORMY]

9 hours ago, Rumblyvike said:

Thanks. I have contacted an agent online, we had a brief conversation and he told me that 'a permanent visa isn't an option' and 'you'll need to go for a sponsored two year temporary visa' He then hassled me via email for a phone consult, but stopped when I told him that he'd already told us we weren't eligible but if he thought that was an error I'd happily speak to him. No contact since.  

To be honest, I've learned more just looking at the Australian Immigration visa than I got from him, as there are several PR options available for us, so the whole 'pay someone to do what you can do yourself' thing isn't seeming very appealing after our experience so far.

This guy was from Emergico, which was a recommended agency. 

 

 

I would not base your views on agents on one agent. One who, in all my years on the forum I have never heard of. Wrussel who has posted above is very respected and I think you are certainly going to need the assistance of an agent. 

Yes, some do it themselves, but, as someone that has had three Australian visas and citizenship, I always recomend even simple cases have some agent involvement as it is very easy to get a refusal and a refusal leads to loss of fee - thousands down the drain and even a potential ban from reapplying. In your case things are far from straightforward. 

There are also a whole raft of secondary issues you will need to be aware of such as getting proffessional registration in order to work, which isn't just a case of applying, it also now requires you to turn up in person in Australia. So, do you wait till you have the visa and then move but not be able to work for potentially months? These are additional areas a good agent will assist with. 

There are extra ways of claiming additional points, for example, if your husbands occupation is on the sol list. 

[Rumblyvike]

1 hour ago, VERYSTORMY said:

I would not base your views on agents on one agent. One who, in all my years on the forum I have never heard of. Wrussel who has posted above is very respected and I think you are certainly going to need the assistance of an agent. 

Yes, some do it themselves, but, as someone that has had three Australian visas and citizenship, I always recomend even simple cases have some agent involvement as it is very easy to get a refusal and a refusal leads to loss of fee - thousands down the drain and even a potential ban from reapplying. In your case things are far from straightforward. 

There are also a whole raft of secondary issues you will need to be aware of such as getting proffessional registration in order to work, which isn't just a case of applying, it also now requires you to turn up in person in Australia. So, do you wait till you have the visa and then move but not be able to work for potentially months? These are additional areas a good agent will assist with. 

There are extra ways of claiming additional points, for example, if your husbands occupation is on the sol list. 

Thanks Verystormy. We fly back to the UK tomorrow (sob!) and once home we'll give ourself a few weeks to readjust and find our feet again and if we are still certain, I will make contact with wrussel and see what he/she thinks, and take it from there. The advice on here is really useful :-) Agree our situation is complex with our ages, and my job and our family and so on, so we don't want to mess it up xx

[doubter]

53 minutes ago, Rumblyvike said:

Thanks Verystormy. We fly back to the UK tomorrow (sob!) and once home we'll give ourself a few weeks to readjust and find our feet again and if we are still certain, I will make contact with wrussel and see what he/she thinks, and take it from there. The advice on here is really useful :-) Agree our situation is complex with our ages, and my job and our family and so on, so we don't want to mess it up xx

Good luck where there's a will there's a way ?

[Perthbum]

Not being horrible but at your ages would it not be better to stay in the UK and move to a different area that you would both enjoy, why are you so set on oz at your ages?

[Rumblyvike]

7 hours ago, Perthbum said:

Not being horrible but at your ages would it not be better to stay in the UK and move to a different area that you would both enjoy, why are you so set on oz at your ages?

Hmm. I always find that most sentences that start "I'm not being rude/mean/racist BUT" generally are being rude/mean/racist. However I shall take it in the spirit it is meant. 

Im 45 not 95, so hardly about to expire from old age. We aren't "set" on Oz, it's a possibility we are exploring. We have family there; the closest people I have to a mother and a brother. We've visited several times since they emigrated, and each time it's harder to leave them. We love Melbourne and are exploring whether a move would give us the lifestyle we want as well as the closeness to our family we currently miss. Our kids are all on board and this is just as much for them. 

Yes, we are also exploring relocating within the U.K. and no decisions have been made yet. Which is why in my very first post I said " in the very early stages of looking at the possibility". If we can't have at least an equal quality of life as we have here, we wouldn't come. We are also exploring finances, uni and school options and other aspects, as well as the visa possibilities.

Thanks for your input.