Guest Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 4 hours ago, newjez said: I agree, but it would be an election suicide. They would have to back door it. Didn't they do that with student university fees? Don't they do it with most things no one likes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieGirl Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 06:12, Sandgroper said: Australia doesn't seem to be suffering any of the same issues as the NHS I've found the system far superior out here, I had a 14 week wait for a Physio appointment on the NHS and have heard much worse horror stories, Oz system any day for me. I worked in health both in the UK and Aus and agree the Australian system is better. Incentivising higher earners to take out private health insurance brings in extra funds. I needed physio and went privately with my fund paying about half the cost. I waited 2 days for an appointment. Sure it results in a two tier system but making it easy for people who can to pay for better service results in more funds and a better system overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sunset said: Don't they do it with most things no one likes? 4 hours ago, newjez said: I agree, but it would be an election suicide. They would have to back door it. Didn't they do that with student university fees? Well as soon as they do anything about payment for treatment then the NHS is gone for ever, which is exactly what the Tories want and it will be like the railways and the further education sector where the custome needsr are an irrelevance, my wife's course was shut down from the end of this year because it's too specialised and doesn't show a big enough return even tho supposedly there is going to be a big push on mental health treatment, the course is producing trained counsellors in a one year of intensive study, the university has substantial cash reserves, the universities are all about money now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, ScottieGirl said: I worked in health both in the UK and Aus and agree the Australian system is better. Incentivising higher earners to take out private health insurance brings in extra funds. I needed physio and went privately with my fund paying about half the cost. I waited 2 days for an appointment. Sure it results in a two tier system but making it easy for people who can to pay for better service results in more funds and a better system overall. And how quickly does the insurance cover for that run out, I needed long term physio after a knee replacement, I think I got PART payment for 8 sessions and then .25 payment for 4 weeks whilst those on the public system got up to 3 months of group therapy which is the most cost effective way of doing it. Has anyone noticed that where english is the lingua franca then the Americans are in there pushing there loathsome free market profit driven version of running economies and elsewhere they continue on with systems that work and have been successful for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieGirl Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well as soon as they do anything about payment for treatment then the NHS is gone for ever, which is exactly what the Tories want and it will be like the railways and the further education sector where the custome needsr are an irrelevance, my wife's course was shut down from the end of this year because it's too specialised and doesn't show a big enough return even tho supposedly there is going to be a big push on mental health treatment, the course is producing trained counsellors in a one year of intensive study, the university has substantial cash reserves, the universities are all about money now. I think the Australian health care system is way better than their rail service. Everyone needs health care not everyone needs trains, the wealthy can drive. Customer care is better when your customers are wealthy, educated and demanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well as soon as they do anything about payment for treatment then the NHS is gone for ever, which is exactly what the Tories want and it will be like the railways and the further education sector where the custome needsr are an irrelevance, my wife's course was shut down from the end of this year because it's too specialised and doesn't show a big enough return even tho supposedly there is going to be a big push on mental health treatment, the course is producing trained counsellors in a one year of intensive study, the university has substantial cash reserves, the universities are all about money now. Businesses usually are though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Sunset said: Businesses usually are though. From that I assume that you approve of making everything a business transaction based around profit with a surface gloss of giving the customer some semblance of service based around ability to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 4 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: From that I assume that you approve of making everything a business transaction based around profit with a surface gloss of giving the customer some semblance of service based around ability to pay. It's the future man ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Sunset said: It's the future man ? Remember we all get old and usually poorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 8 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Remember we all get old and usually poorer. You worry to much mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 8 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Remember we all get old and usually poorer. In the last year my pension fund has increased by 30%. Thank goodness for brexit. I don't think much of the Tories but they are very effective at taking money from the bottom half and giving it to the top half. You just need to make sure you are in the right half. I've never understood why poor people vote Tory. But then I vote lib Dems usually, maybe labour this year. Maybe it's not all about money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 1 hour ago, newjez said: In the last year my pension fund has increased by 30%. Thank goodness for brexit. I don't think much of the Tories but they are very effective at taking money from the bottom half and giving it to the top half. You just need to make sure you are in the right half. I've never understood why poor people vote Tory. But then I vote lib Dems usually, maybe labour this year. Maybe it's not all about money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 12 hours ago, Sunset said: I don't understand half of what you post, you like newjez's post which seems to go against your attitude of pure self interest, so I just fail to understand where you stand politically which is why I never really understood Australia and its lack of altruism for anything beyond their immediate circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 43 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: I don't understand half of what you post, you like newjez's post which seems to go against your attitude of pure self interest, so I just fail to understand where you stand politically which is why I never really understood Australia and its lack of altruism for anything beyond their immediate circle. To quote that advert on telly 'that's the way I like it'.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Sunset said: To quote that advert on telly 'that's the way I like it'.? What's the point of coming on here then???!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 4 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: What's the point of coming on here then???!!! I need shoes and cheese slices why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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