Questions about points and EOI

[Bingo123]

Hi all,

 

I'm kind of in a fix; my husband and I were planning to apply for 189 with him as the primary applicant and me as the dependent. Now that we got our TOEFL iBT results, things have changed a bit. I got 118 on the test which means I can claim 20 points for language.

 

If my husband is primary applicant we get to claim 65 points

 

• Age:30
  
• Qualification [ACCA & MBA]:15
  
• Language: 10
  
• Partner skill:5
  
• Work Experience:5
  

 

If I am the primary applicant we get 70 points

 

• Age:30
  
• Qualification (Bachelors):15
  
• Language: 20
  
• Partner skill:5
  
• Work Experience:0
  

 

 

So now I have three questions;

1. I don't have any work experience ever since I finished my BSc.in 2013. Will that negatively affect our application despite the fact we have more points?

2. Is it going to hurt my husband's chances of securing a job once we get there or would I, being the primary applicant, have to get a job first for him to be able to work?

3. Also if we have any accountants here; I'm planning to get my Bsc.(hons) (A 4 year degree in Accounting and Finance) assessed by CPA for general accountant category, anyone who has faced issues with assessment based on only a Bsc. degree because most people have an accounting qualification (ACCA, CA etc.)

 

Would really really appreciate a response asap!! and apologies for the loooong post

[Nemesis]

Hi all,

 

I'm kind of in a fix; my husband and I were planning to apply for 189 with him as the primary applicant and me as the dependent. Now that we got our TOEFL iBT results, things have changed a bit. I got 118 on the test which means I can claim 20 points for language.

 

If my husband is primary applicant we get to claim 65 points

 

• Age:30

• Qualification [ACCA & MBA]:15

• Language: 10

• Partner skill:5

• Work Experience:5

 

If I am the primary applicant we get 70 points

 

• Age:30

• Qualification (Bachelors):15

• Language: 20

• Partner skill:5

• Work Experience:0

 

 

So now I have three questions;

1. I don't have any work experience ever since I finished my BSc.in 2013. Will that negatively affect our application despite the fact we have more points?

2. Is it going to hurt my husband's chances of securing a job once we get there or would I, being the primary applicant, have to get a job first for him to be able to work?

3. Also if we have any accountants here; I'm planning to get my Bsc.(hons) (A 4 year degree in Accounting and Finance) assessed by CPA for general accountant category, anyone who has faced issues with assessment based on only a Bsc. degree because most people have an accounting qualification (ACCA, CA etc.)

 

Would really really appreciate a response asap!! and apologies for the loooong post

Are you both able to get valid skils assessments?

[xxlornaxx]

You need to pass the skills assessment whatever that requires or the points won't matter so depends what skills assessing body requires you to have in way of experience. Doesn't matter who is primary applicant you will both be granted PR in your own right and have the same rights as each other, doesn't matter who works first.

[Bingo123]

I'm getting my qualification assessed by CPA australia and they don't require work experience. So I'm hoping to get a positive assessment on that. What I actually wanted to know was if having no work experience would later affect the application or having higher points would be sufficient?

[Bingo123]

Are you both able to get valid skils assessments?

 

Yes, my husband has ACCA and MBA and I have a BSc. In accounting and finance so I'll submit my syllabus and hopefully they'll assess to have covered their competency areas.

[ABG]

If I've understood it correctly, you would not be able to be primary applicant. Having a qualification to perform the tasks required in an occupation does not mean you are qualified for skilled migration under 189 category. Most skills assessment agencies require at least 1 year employment in the field plus the educational training to be minimally qualified. Another thing to bear in mind is that to claim partner skills the partner has to have a positive skills assessment so the same thing applies with your husband as primary applicant- you need to pass the skills assessment which entails proving both education and work experience. The easiest thing is for your husband to retake the English test. I suggest doing further background reading on how it all works as if you submit your EOI claiming partner points and you can't back this up, then if you're invited to apply for a visa, you are likely to forfeit your application fee

 

 

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[ABG]

You posted while I was typing- if you can get a positive assessment then great. Doesn't being an accountant entail completing articled clerk training?

 

 

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[Bingo123]

If I've understood it correctly, you would not be able to be primary applicant. Having a qualification to perform the tasks required in an occupation does not mean you are qualified for skilled migration under 189 category. Most skills assessment agencies require at least 1 year employment in the field plus the educational training to be minimally qualified. Another thing to bear in mind is that to claim partner skills the partner has to have a positive skills assessment so the same thing applies with your husband as primary applicant- you need to pass the skills assessment which entails proving both education and work experience. The easiest thing is for your husband to retake the English test. I suggest doing further background reading on how it all works as if you submit your EOI claiming partner points and you can't back this up, then if you're invited to apply for a visa, you are likely to forfeit your application fee

 

 

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Here's what the CPA website says one needs to get a positive assessment from them

 

Skills assessment criteria

 

To receive a positive result for your chosen Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations (ANZSCO) code, you will need:

 

a qualification that is assessed by CPA Australia as equivalent to at least an Australian Bachelor degree

to have successfully studied all mandatory competency areas that are relevant to your chosen ANZSCO code

to have met the English proficiency requirement

[Bingo123]

You posted while I was typing- if you can get a positive assessment then great. Doesn't being an accountant entail completing articled clerk training?

 

 

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Again, the website says that skilled employment assessment is optional. From this I understand that employment is not compulsory. Here's what the website says:

 

Skilled employment assessment

CPA Australia’s assessment of your work history can be used to claim points for skilled employment. This is an optional component to the general skills assessment.

[ABG]

That's pretty cool! Good luck

[Bingo123]

Again, the website says that skilled employment assessment is optional. From this I understand that employment is not compulsory. Here's what the website says:

 

Skilled employment assessment

CPA Australia’s assessment of your work history can be used to claim points for skilled employment. This is an optional component to the general skills assessment.

 

Thank you for your input, really appreciate it!

[VERYSTORMY]

Accounting is one of the few occupations that does not require post qualification experience to pass a skills assessment. However, getting work in Australia in such circumstances when accountants are vastly over subscribed generally is another matter

[Bungo]

If I've understood it correctly, you would not be able to be primary applicant. Having a qualification to perform the tasks required in an occupation does not mean you are qualified for skilled migration under 189 category. Most skills assessment agencies require at least 1 year employment in the field plus the educational training to be minimally qualified. Another thing to bear in mind is that to claim partner skills the partner has to have a positive skills assessment so the same thing applies with your husband as primary applicant- you need to pass the skills assessment which entails proving both education and work experience. The easiest thing is for your husband to retake the English test. I suggest doing further background reading on how it all works as if you submit your EOI claiming partner points and you can't back this up, then if you're invited to apply for a visa, you are likely to forfeit your application fee

 

 

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You would normally be correct, but not so for an accountant. An accountant (bizarrely) does not require work experience.

 

As OP and husband would apply under the same occupation, it is better that the one with the highest points score is the main applicant. So long as the degree is sufficient to pass skills assessment, then it should be OP. They could even think about both getting a skills assessment and getting partner points thrown in as accountant skills assessment is not costly and very straightforward.

[Bingo123]

Thanks for the confirmation. And yes, you're right, finding a job with no work experience would be difficult. That's exactly what I wanted to know, will this particular fact affect my application negatively? Because initially my husband would have applied and he has 5 years total (3 yrs PQE) but after the language test result, we were thinking of switching the primary applicant to me as it would give us more points.

[Bingo123]

Accounting is one of the few occupations that does not require post qualification experience to pass a skills assessment. However, getting work in Australia in such circumstances when accountants are vastly over subscribed generally is another matter

 

Thanks for the confirmation. And yes, you're right, finding a job with no work experience would be difficult. That's exactly what I wanted to know, will this particular fact affect my application negatively? Because initially my husband would have applied and he has 5 years total (3 yrs PQE) but after the language test result, we were thinking of switching the primary applicant to me as it would give us more points.

[VERYSTORMY]

Thanks for the confirmation. And yes, you're right, finding a job with no work experience would be difficult. That's exactly what I wanted to know, will this particular fact affect my application negatively? Because initially my husband would have applied and he has 5 years total (3 yrs PQE) but after the language test result, we were thinking of switching the primary applicant to me as it would give us more points.

 

You need which ever one of you that has the most point to be the main applicant. Regardless of work experience.

 

The separate issue is that visas are nothing to do with the ability to get a job or the likelihood of getting a job. The reality is that it will be difficult for either of you to get jobs as accountants in Australia. Though you can of course do what ever job you want and do not need to work in your professions

[Bingo123]

You need which ever one of you that has the most point to be the main applicant. Regardless of work experience.

 

The separate issue is that visas are nothing to do with the ability to get a job or the likelihood of getting a job. The reality is that it will be difficult for either of you to get jobs as accountants in Australia. Though you can of course do what ever job you want and do not need to work in your professions

 

Thanks again!

Regarding working as an accountant, getting a local qualification was on the cards for my husband but ACCA signed an agreement with CPA Australia which will give ACCA members with 5 yrs of experience CPA membership. That seemed to have solved that particular problem So we'll go ahead with the application and hope for the best!