conandviv Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Help please! I would like to move to Adelaide, potentially by summer 2017, with my husband and two children. I am 34, my husband is 47 and our two children are 9 and 6. I am a teacher of children with special needs, specialising in children with autism/ASD, as well as a special needs outreach advisory teacher. So I believe my job is still on the skilled occupations list. My husband runs his own graphic design and print business. My sister is a permanent Australian resident living in Adelaide, Australia with her husband who is a native Australian citizen. We would really like some advice about how to apply for our visa. I would be looking to secure a job before moving, so would it be best for us: to apply for a skilled independent visa to include the family? or can my sister or her husband nominate/sponsor us? or is it worth me investigating whether the region/state or a potential employer would nominate/sponsor me first before applying independently? Also, does anyone know how long these visas might take to process in our case, I've had a look at the visa processing guidelines on the Australian Government website, but there are so many variations, it's mind-blowing! Any advice about which route would be best would be much appreciated or even if anyone can recommend if there are any companies/organisations/services that might be able to help us with this we would be very grateful. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Best to get your case fully assessed by a registered Migration agent. Skilled migration would be the best route, this grants PR straight away, and they you can look for jobs etc, a lot easier to find a job than trying to look for an employer to sponsor you and them having to jump through all the hoops, majority of the time these employer sponsored visas are temp, not ideal when going with children. only family sponsored visa now are for provisional visas, given your age, and if you have a degree, there should be no reason if you gain a positive skills assessment and sit the IELTS and meet the pass mark for PR rather than family sponsored, also there is only 100 family sponsored invitations on each round and some people have been waiting along time to be invited, processing can be slower too. There is no benifit to having family sponsorship anymore. If your occupation is on CSOL or you are 5 points short you could look in to state nomination if your occupation is on SA state occupation list. Skilled migration includes all dependent family members, ie main applicat and secondary applicats, husband and children. Once granted everyone has PR in their own right. Go matilda is an RMA often recommended on PIO. First at step would be to see if your occupation is on SOL and if you would be able to get a positive skills assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Best to get your case fully assessed by a registered Migration agent. Skilled migration would be the best route, this grants PR straight away, and they you can look for jobs etc, a lot easier to find a job than trying to look for an employer to sponsor you and them having to jump through all the hoops, majority of the time these employer sponsored visas are temp, not ideal when going with children. only family sponsored visa now are for provisional visas, given your age, and if you have a degree, there should be no reason if you gain a positive skills assessment and sit the IELTS and meet the pass mark for PR rather than family sponsored, also there is only 100 family sponsored invitations on each round and some people have been waiting along time to be invited, processing can be slower too. There is no benifit to having family sponsorship anymore. If your occupation is on CSOL or you are 5 points short you could look in to state nomination if your occupation is on SA state occupation list. Skilled migration includes all dependent family members, ie main applicat and secondary applicats, husband and children. Once granted everyone has PR in their own right. Go matilda is an RMA often recommended on PIO. First at step would be to see if your occupation is on SOL and if you would be able to get a positive skills assessment. That's great advice, thanks so much lebourvellec, I'll follow up on what you have suggested. Here's another question I could do with some help with: both our boys were born in September, one in 2005 the other in 2008 and I'm trying to figure out which school year they would go into. Am I right in thinking that if they entered the Adelaide, South Australia school system in September 2017, they would go into year 6 and year 3, moving up to year 7 and year 4 in January 2018? I understand that in South Australia children start secondary in year 8, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks for any clarification anyone can give. Edited January 19, 2015 by conandviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 That's great advice, thanks so much, I'll follow up on what you have suggested. Here's another question I could do with some help with: both our boys were born in September, one in 2005 the other in 2008 and I'm trying to figure out which school year they would go into. Am I right in thinking that if they entered the Adelaide, South Australia school system in September 2017, they would go into year 6 and year 3, moving up to year 7 and year 4 in January 2018? I understand that in South Australia children start secondary in year 8, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks for any clarification anyone can give. Would check the SA education page. There is also a sister site Poms in Adelaide, you may get more specific state questions answered there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddball Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think you should be looking at the 189, which would give you and your family permanent residency without any state or employer sponsorships. Providing you are a UK citizen, there is no need to sit the IELTS unless you require extra points. Have you calculated the number of points you would have when you would like to move? This includes age, years of experience, etc. The first step for you would be to apply to AITSL to have your skills assessed. This requires transcripts and other documents, and you can find the comprehensive list of what is required on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think you should be looking at the 189, which would give you and your family permanent residency without any state or employer sponsorships. Providing you are a UK citizen, there is no need to sit the IELTS unless you require extra points. Have you calculated the number of points you would have when you would like to move? This includes age, years of experience, etc. The first step for you would be to apply to AITSL to have your skills assessed. This requires transcripts and other documents, and you can find the comprehensive list of what is required on their website. As Oddball mentions AITSL are really strict with transcripts and four years of HE. The GTP is not accepted and many SCITT training providers aren't eligible as their qualifying university can't provide a transcript for whatever reason. Hopefully you completed your training through a university?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Would check the SA education page. There is also a sister site Poms in Adelaide, you may get more specific state questions answered there. Thanks again lebourvellec! I may post the question separately in the education section to see if I can get an answer that way too. :-) Edited January 19, 2015 by conandviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) I think you should be looking at the 189, which would give you and your family permanent residency without any state or employer sponsorships. Providing you are a UK citizen, there is no need to sit the IELTS unless you require extra points. Have you calculated the number of points you would have when you would like to move? This includes age, years of experience, etc. The first step for you would be to apply to AITSL to have your skills assessed. This requires transcripts and other documents, and you can find the comprehensive list of what is required on their website. That's great advice, thanks so much oddball! I should have around 85 points. I'm looking into the AITSL skills assessment. What do you mean by transcripts? Do you know how long an AITSL skills assessment is valid for? Do you know how long it might take to process a 189 visa? Thanks for your help, its much appreciated. :-) Edited January 19, 2015 by conandviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) As Oddball mentions AITSL are really strict with transcripts and four years of HE. The GTP is not accepted and many SCITT training providers aren't eligible as their qualifying university can't provide a transcript for whatever reason. Hopefully you completed your training through a university?! That's great advice, thanks so much benj1980! I'm looking into the AITSL skills assessment. What do you mean by transcripts? Do you know how long an AITSL skills assessment is valid for? Do you know how long it might take to process a 189 visa? I did a four year BA & MA combined at the University of Manchester then a one year PGCE at Manchester Metropolitan University, so I'm hoping that will be enough? Thanks for your help, its much appreciated. :-) Edited January 19, 2015 by conandviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungbean Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 A transcript is an official printed statement from your uni/college showing all the subjects that were studied as part of your course, and what grades you were given. If you did your courses fairly recently you might have been given them while you were studying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 A transcript is an official printed statement from your uni/college showing all the subjects that were studied as part of your course, and what grades you were given. If you did your courses fairly recently you might have been given them while you were studying. Thanks for that, I'll have a look at the documents I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Yes the transcript is a breakdown of course units that you studied. In terms of PGCE the units should cover certain key areas, but I presume all PGCE covers these! AITSL certification lasts two years. The link below may answer some other questions that you may have. http://www.aitsl.edu.au/assessment-for-migration/question-answers Edited January 19, 2015 by benj1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 A transcript is an official printed statement from your uni/college showing all the subjects that were studied as part of your course, and what grades you were given. If you did your courses fairly recently you might have been given them while you were studying. Thanks for the info, I'll check what documents I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yes the transcript is a breakdown of course units that you studied. In terms of PGCE the units should cover certain key areas, but I presume all PGCE covers these! AITSL certification lasts two years. The link below may answer some other questions that you may have. http://www.aitsl.edu.au/assessment-for-migration/question-answers Thanks again for the advice! I'll see if I have a transcript or find out whether I can get one. We are hoping to move over to Oz in summer 2017, so if I apply for AITSL certification now and then manage to secure a visa and register as a teacher in SA, will it matter if the AITSL certification runs out before we actually get there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks again for the advice! I'll see if I have a transcript or find out whether I can get one. We are hoping to move over to Oz in summer 2017, so if I apply for AITSL certification now and then manage to secure a visa and register as a teacher in SA, will it matter if the AITSL certification runs out before we actually get there? The AISTL is for the visa process, this is your skills assessment. Uni transcrips are given when you graduate, so might be with your graduation certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 The AISTL is for the visa process, this is your skills assessment. Uni transcrips are given when you graduate, so might be with your graduation certificate. Great, thanks, I'll dig through my certificates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Summer 2017? You're planning ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Summer 2017? You're planning ahead! I know! We want to time it so our eldest can finish primary here and still join primary in Adelaide so he has time to settle before moving up to secondary and given the housing market over here we thought it may take all of next year to sell our house :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammygirl Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 85 points seems high. Can you give us a breakdown of what you are claiming them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 85 seems high, with full marks for IELTS and 8 years work experience, based on age and qualification highest would be 75 points, which is still above the 60 point mass mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 85 points seems high. Can you give us a breakdown of what you are claiming them for. I used the calculator on: http://www.workpermit.com/, which gave me: [TABLE] [TR] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]points for your age[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]points for English language ability[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]points for your work experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]points for qualifications[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for Australian qualifications[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for spouse skills[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for language experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for regional study experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for State/Territory sponsorship[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for Professional Year[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]80[/TD] [TD]total points[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] (Plus potentially an extra 5 for 'community language skills' as I did a BA&MA combined in French and German, but not sure how I would go about getting this recognised?). That is based on full IELTS marks, so without that I would have 60-65? Please let me know if you think this is inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 85 seems high, with full marks for IELTS and 8 years work experience, based on age and qualification highest would be 75 points, which is still above the 60 point mass mark. I used the calculator on: http://www.workpermit.com/, which gave me: [TABLE=class: cms_table] [TR] [TD]25[/TD] [TD]points for your age[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]points for English language ability[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]points for your work experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]points for qualifications[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for Australian qualifications[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for spouse skills[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for language experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for regional study experience[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for State/Territory sponsorship[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]points for Professional Year[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]80[/TD] [TD]total points[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] (Plus potentially an extra 5 for 'community language skills' as I did a BA&MA combined in French and German, but not sure how I would go about getting this recognised?). That is based on full IELTS marks, so without that I would have 60-65? Please let me know if you think this is inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The only way you could get 20 points for work experience is if you have 8+ years of overseas experience AND 1+ years of Australian experience. You haven't mentioned having worked in Australia so are you sure that's right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conandviv Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) The only way you could get 20 points for work experience is if you have 8+ years of overseas experience AND 1+ years of Australian experience. You haven't mentioned having worked in Australia so are you sure that's right? You're right I don't have any work experience in Australia, I have 8 years experience in post in the UK. Maybe that's an error on the calculator on: http://www.workpermit.com/australia/point_test.htm, as they state 20 points for 8+ years overseas experience. The calculator on: https://www.acacia-au.com/skilled-migration-points-test.php award 15 points for 8+ years overseas experience. It looks like the acacia calculator is right, I've just checked the info on the Australian Government website: http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/189.aspx Thanks for your advice, much appreciated! Edited January 20, 2015 by conandviv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Going by the results of the last several invitation rounds, even 60 points is enough to get an invitation in the next round or at worst, the one after. Looks like you'll need to do IELTS but 10 points for Proficient English will be enough. You can receive five points for having a Credentialled Community Language only if the language is accredited by the National Accreditation Authority for Translators and Interpreters (NAATI). To receive points, you must provide evidence that the authority has accredited you as a translator or interpreter at the paraprofessional level or above. http://www.naati.com.au/home_page.html NAATI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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