MARYROSE02 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Nobody has actually proposed an alternative policy to the present Government's either? Encourage more boats? Send Australian ships and planes to Indonesia to pick them up before they make the hazardous voyage? No, this is the best and safest way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 But just think how many lives have been saved now that the boats have stopped. Every day another unseaworthy and overcrowded boat set out from Indonesia, hoping that they would be rescued by Australian ships before they shipwrecked somewhere off the Australian coast. Hundreds have already drowned. .........but stayed and endured what........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .........but stayed and endured what........? That's not the point Tink!! As long as they're not coming here! :dull: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 That's not the point Tink!! As long as they're not coming here! :dull: .......guess if I can't ....see.....them.......it can't be happening......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Nobody has actually proposed an alternative policy to the present Government's either? Encourage more boats? Send Australian ships and planes to Indonesia to pick them up before they make the hazardous voyage? No, this is the best and safest way to do it. .......for who though.....? ......desperate circumstances ......cause desperate deeds..... ......all we have done is close a door...... .......lets just hope theses desperate people don't succumb to a worse and more dangerous means.....! .......easy to say its solved....! ........but it's not solved for these people is it.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .......guess if I can't ....see.....them.......it can't be happening......! Exactly...head in sand syndrome...or 'don't give monkeys chuff' syndrome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .......for who though.....?......desperate circumstances ......cause desperate deeds..... ......all we have done is close a door...... .......lets just hope theses desperate people don't succumb to a worse and more dangerous means.....! .......easy to say its solved....! ........but it's not solved for these people is it.....? :notworthy:...only looking to solve immediate issues and concerns, short term solutions for the immediate future are what make the problems and issues of the world as horrendous as they are...everyone wants a quick fix.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 What sort of parent would force their child into those conditions? Are you fakkin serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 That's not the point Tink!! As long as they're not coming here! :dull: Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Exactly. .......but it's what is happening instead that is worrying.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .......for who though.....?......desperate circumstances ......cause desperate deeds..... ......all we have done is close a door...... .......lets just hope theses desperate people don't succumb to a worse and more dangerous means.....! .......easy to say its solved....! ........but it's not solved for these people is it.....? Thimk of it as puttimg bars on your windows. It might not stop the burglars gettimg in but it is harder for them so perhaps they will burgle another home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Exactly. That's quite a selfish view IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .........but stayed and endured what........? Isn't it telling though if they have stayed ? Given they are capable of leaving, having done so under previous policies, if they are now choosing to stay, that clearly shows they are not suffering genuine persecution in their home country. If they were really persecuted to the extent you suggest, then they would flee anyway and be happy to go anywhere. They certainly would not stay home just because the open door to Australia has been slammed shut. Can you imagine the poor people in Syria being overrun by ISIS. Do you think they would say, No we are not going to escape to Turkey, we insist on going to Australia. That would be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thimk of it as puttimg bars on your windows. It might not stop the burglars gettimg in but it is harder for them so perhaps they will burgle another home. .....that's not the same thing.......! .....think of it as holding your hand out to a child in need.... ......or closing your eyes to one....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Isn't it telling though if they have stayed ? Given they are capable of leaving, having done so under previous policies, if they are now choosing to stay, that clearly shows they are not suffering genuine persecution in their home country. If they were really persecuted to the extent you suggest, then they would flee anyway and be happy to go anywhere. They certainly would not stay home just because the open door to Australia has been slammed shut. Can you imagine the poor people in Syria being overrun by ISIS. Do you think they would say, No we are not going to escape to Turkey, we insist on going to Australia. That would be ridiculous. ........again you are quoting about the few....! .......many have genuine reasons to flee....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibbs Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 A parent desperate for a future away from war, famine and rape. What sort of parent wouldn't flee though conditions should perhaps be the logical question. But then all said before, in fact several times at least. So where they are now, is better than where they were? That's good then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 ........again you are quoting about the few....!.......many have genuine reasons to flee....... So why haven't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 So why haven't they ? .......we closed the door.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Isn't it telling though if they have stayed ? Given they are capable of leaving, having done so under previous policies, if they are now choosing to stay, that clearly shows they are not suffering genuine persecution in their home country. If they were really persecuted to the extent you suggest, then they would flee anyway and be happy to go anywhere. They certainly would not stay home just because the open door to Australia has been slammed shut. Can you imagine the poor people in Syria being overrun by ISIS. Do you think they would say, No we are not going to escape to Turkey, we insist on going to Australia. That would be ridiculous. [h=2]Are they still genuine refugees if they don’t just flee to the closest country? Aren’t they cherry-picking?[/h]Yes, they are still genuine refugees. There’s no law that says refugees must flee to the nearest country. In most cases, this would simply land them in a poverty-stricken, dangerous refugee camp for years. Nor is there any rule that says refugees can’t flee by plane or choose their destination. It seems odd to me that some Australians want to vilify these people for using commonsense and, in the process, reducing the load on the desperately poor countries that are actually being flooded by refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 “Poor countries host vastly more displaced people than wealthier ones. While anti-refugee sentiment is heard loudest in industrialised countries, developing nations host 80 per cent of the world’s refugees.” Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 That's quite a selfish view IMO I can also confirm Fi that: 1. The pope IS Catholic 2. A bear DOES $hit in the woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest241083 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thimk of it as puttimg bars on your windows. It might not stop the burglars gettimg in but it is harder for them so perhaps they will burgle another home. .......this smacks of not in my backyard...!.....the sentiment...! .......by ignoring those who need help.......we are helping the baddies...! .......because by fearing the few bad apples......an excuse to ignore the needy.... .......the rot will spread...... .......the bad will just get stronger..... .......if we help those in need............we help minimalise the effects of the harm....... .......these are neighbours...! .......human beings....... .......and as such deserve to be recognised as needing help....... .......we would expect the same if in their position........ ........and there but for the grace....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I love the smell of fascism in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 .......we closed the door.....! exactly my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 But the point is HH. If you are really being persecuted, you will flee regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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