rikyuu Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 according to this article, there are quite a few people unaccounted for in the figures released and most employment growth is in mining/WA. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/no-wonder-the-jobs-outlook-is-grim-20120906-25ge8.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike@Bonbeach Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 It seems that you only have to work 1 hour per week to be considered "employed". Have a look at www.news.com.au and check out the business section. (surprise fall in unemployment) and note the comments. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimoneAL Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 This is an interesting one. Some time ago I read some artcicles on how the real unemployment rate is higher than the official one by a few points. I cannot recall the details, If I just could remember where I read it and find the articles... If this was true it would make UK stats not very comparable with OZ stats, and unemployment a serious concern when thinking of migrating downunder. Does anybody have more information on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 It's just the same in the UK, no one trusts the figures either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 This is an interesting one. Some time ago I read some artcicles on how the real unemployment rate is higher than the official one by a few points. I cannot recall the details, If I just could remember where I read it and find the articles... If this was true it would make UK stats not very comparable with OZ stats, and unemployment a serious concern when thinking of migrating downunder. Does anybody have more information on this? Unfortunately the figures are all we can go on and unemployment in Australia is a lot lower than the UK, people can guess and surmise as much as they want, but personally I go with recorded figures not what someone on a forum thinks, or assumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacaranda Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Unfortunately the figures are all we can go on and unemployment in Australia is a lot lower than the UK, people can guess and surmise as much as they want, but personally I go with recorded figures not what someone on a forum thinks, or assumes. Is that though because Australia has two thirds less population than the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Is that though because Australia has two thirds less population than the UK? No ... I think the figures are a simple equation based on the percentage of people out of work, from the working population, it's the same in every country, it's got nothing to do with how bigger or lesser the population is. Just to mention, Perth has half the unemployment the UK has, so those looking at migrating should seriously think about this when choosing where to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimoneAL Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Whoa!:biggrin: I may sometimes sound a bit more negative that intended. I have no alterntive stats to propose.From my point of view it is a good exercise to challenge assumptions, especially myown. One of them is about low unemployment in Oz and Canberra in particular. I still hope to migrate one day, this is the reason I keep reading this forum, checking DIAC updates, and looking at stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimoneAL Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I have found the articles I read a few months ago about hidden unemployment in OZ. Here you go: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/australian-unemployment-rate-twice-official-figure-according-to-roy-morgan-research/story-e6frfku0-1226363509875 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/jobs-m22.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I have found the articles I read a few months ago about hidden unemployment in OZ. Here you go: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/australian-unemployment-rate-twice-official-figure-according-to-roy-morgan-research/story-e6frfku0-1226363509875 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/jobs-m22.shtml Intresting, looks like oz probably has more unemployment that the UK, I suppose that's why we get so many ppeople saying in this forum that they are really struggling to find work in oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Is that though because Australia has two thirds less population than the UK? I'm sure it was you that threw that line in, or one very similar, last week. I asked then what does it matter what the population of the country is? It's a percentage, not a total number. If you look at total number unemployed then the UK would look very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 To be honest the only figures I'm worried about is the ones to do with my bank account. I'm lucky I suppose in that I've pretty much always been in work over the past 15 years, so to me, weather or not the unemployment figures are 5% or 7%, depending on what recording method you believe, does not and has not really affected me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I have found the articles I read a few months ago about hidden unemployment in OZ. Here you go: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/australian-unemployment-rate-twice-official-figure-according-to-roy-morgan-research/story-e6frfku0-1226363509875 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/jobs-m22.shtml So ..... We are to believe some guy who questioned 4,500 out of a workforce of over 11 million people rather than the government figures? Like I said, similar scams are going on in the UK, but the official figures shows Australan unemployment is far lower than the UK and not only that, most on PIO are skilled migrants looking at emigrating, who are far more employable and stand a better chance of a good well paid job in Australia. Next someone will come up with some geezer saying the weathers better in the UK than Australia. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 So ..... We are to believe some guy who questioned 4,500 out of a workforce of over 11 million people rather than the government figures?Like I said, similar scams are going on in the UK, but the official figures shows Australan unemployment is far lower than the UK and not only that, most on PIO are skilled migrants looking at emigrating, who are far more employable and stand a better chance of a good well paid job in Australia. Next someone will come up with some geezer saying the weathers better in the UK than Australia. Lol.Never heard anyone say the weather is better in the uk to be honest hoff but just different, I prefer the 4 seasons in the uk than the 2 seasons in oz...hot then cold and wet, we are all different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ptp113 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Where did you get the wacko idea that there are only 2 seasons here? I have to say I'm still not convinced you have ever been to Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikyuu Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 for information, here is how it's measured in Australia http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/latestmf/6202.0~999#EMPLOYMENT is is apparantly an international method, but I always thought the UK measurement was based on claimants. Of course you can only compare figures if they have the same method of measurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 To be unemployed people have to register, a lot of people do not register when they lose their jobs, if their partner is working they probably will not get any assistance so why bother. What needs to also be noted is how many people are under employed, part time when they want full time, casual when they want permanent, then we are talking about a whole lot more people. Also different sections of the community, some are better for getting a job than others. Youth unemployment is very high and in depends on where they are living to a large extent what jobs will be available for them. Employers do not want people without experience or bits of paper so this marginalizes a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Never heard anyone say the weather is better in the uk to be honest hoff but just different, I prefer the 4 seasons in the uk than the 2 seasons in oz...hot then cold and wet, we are all different. It was partly in reply to your scaremongering claim that Australia has higher unemployment than the UK and that it is somehow backed up by some posters on here struggling to find work. There's been programmes on the tv about how the UK government massages the unemployment figures, it's probably the same in every country, but to have us believe that it's double the official figures in Australia because some geezer says so and that the last government and this government have have somehow agreed to cover it up, sounds like a load of hogwash to me. Like I say to people, ignore the scaremongering and look at emigrating to lower states, such as Perth WA, where unemployment is really low at 3.6% more than twice less than the UK figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JK2510 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I know people that are casual and work once in a blue moon...perhaps once or twice a month....they are classed as employed?! Seems more like a hobby to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest63690 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think it was established on another thread that the UK's figures are not double the Oz figures but only 2. something apart. Hi Julz, yep its 2.8% higher in the UK. But lower in many regions of the UK than the Oz average of 5.2% at around the 2-4% mark. It is the few areas of the UK, that are sadly experiencing extremely high unemployment that bring our average up to the 8% mark, though this must be true for oz also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hi Julz, yep its 2.8% higher in the UK. But lower in many regions of the UK than the Oz average of 5.2% at around the 2-4% mark. It is the few areas of the UK, that are sadly experiencing extremely high unemployment that bring our average up to the 8% mark, though this must be true for oz also. 2.8% equals almost an extra one million more people out of work in the UK. You are right there are some places mostly down South where unemployment is lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoman Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 No ... I think the figures are a simple equation based on the percentage of people out of work, from the working population, it's the same in every country, it's got nothing to do with how bigger or lesser the population is. Just to mention, Perth has half the unemployment the UK has, so those looking at migrating should seriously think about this when choosing where to go. based on what you read in the papers hoffey eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 based on what you read in the papers hoffey eh Thats all we basically have to go on, not necessarily the papers, but produced figures from government departments, do I trust them, hell no, but what else can we go on, some guy saying different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life on easy street Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 according to this article, there are quite a few people unaccounted for in the figures released and most employment growth is in mining/WA. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/no-wonder-the-jobs-outlook-is-grim-20120906-25ge8.html No. All governments are creative with the truth about unemployment figures Australia is no exception. http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/unemployment.cfm Definition of Unemployment http://www.abcdiamond.com/australia/definition-of-unemployment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimoneAL Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 To be honest I am only interested in getting some reliable figures on unemployment in OZ. The possibility that OZ figures are manipulated in some ways is worth some extra checks and usually an open discussion on this forum helps a lot. I appreciate this is a sensitive topic for all of us, but sarcasm and patronising comments will not help anybody. An open discussion will be very welcome. At the end of the day, I will have to make a difficult decision based on some storytelling and a bunch of figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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