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It would strongly appear an uniform move in co ordination with the nations involved. Interesting to read the attacks on government for implementing this policy from within the right wing Australian press today. The Australian in particular (though hardly surprisingly) taking a tough stance on measures to be introduced but all three I browsed this morning to some extent. Oddly they point to nurses and health care workers, which I doubt will be impacted. If the government had done the job properly one can but imagine the outcry from media and business interests.

I personally don't see any ready solutions for Perth. The days when it was way cheaper than Sydney and Melbourne have long passed. We are on par. Indeed substantially more expensive than European cities like Stuttgart (which is located in the richest state of Germany) There is little reason for the excessive cost of living, especially anything of a social nature. Deteriorates quality of life. Perhaps an Asian future in that the elites of Malaysia, Singapore and India seeking more sanitised pastures may in part come to the rescue? Perth will need to lift its game though and become a more open and exciting place. I'm afraid the early to bed, early to rise preference will win few favours within that particular market.

I think real implications of record and near record levels of immigration and temporally entrants (many that don't return home) is clearly understood by many and by ever increasing numbers of the public. The decline in living standards are clearly evident. Of course large numbers of people compete for jobs and housing and add to congestion with times infrastructure failing to keep up. You appear in denial of this fact. It is not the only reason for sure, but sure aggravates an already trying situation many times fold.Not forgetting an alleged list of most skills, many where little shortage is evident. Nor the conditions unscrupulous employers have been rorting both the system as well as overseas sourced labour. (including from own former country) What better way to sustain the successful multi cultural spin than to abuse what has been a generally accepted migration policy by bringing in far more people than the nation can handle? Yes indeed certain vested interests will attempt to cloud the argument by waving the racist tag. Nothing could be further rom the truth. At least in my argument.

I would suggest these days one needs to go to the job rather than vice versa. The job market is darn tough across the board these times. Hence the restructuring and lower pay rates often resulting. In the case of bus drivers though, in my area at least there appears to be the vast majority of drivers are from The Sub Continent. Twenty years back UK born drivers were plentiful. Hardly come across one these days as conditions declined around that time. Hence are there no positions closer to your area? I would suggest in a time of high vacancy rates, the owner will be none too pleased if you break the lease. The cost of advertising and full rent until re leased would be minimal requirements I'd have thought. On the other hand how much deposit do ypu stand to loose? Would that option prove cheaper?

My gut feeling suggests to me that you will get through the process. My comments were in part based on previous posts over the years and your unshakable support of the 457 system .....Back to the present and no quibbles with above post. Of course my views on the matter remain water tight. The overall harm brought about from the late nineties by the government of the time concerning mass population growth through various means, including 457's that got way out of hand, not forgetting changes to the housing market that has come at a heavy price to life quality ...and future prospects.

Funny I once said something akin to that. Recent few visits found it a little different with actually speaking with locals over breakfast in Potts Point to locals, ( and others at chance encounters in Coogee (admittingly a South African transplant, but Sydneysider now) as well as finding people more 'open' to discussion in different circumstances, such as a computer/camera repair shop/a box/parcel sending business all come to mind. It could have been the 'away feeling' but found more eccentricity and 'openness' than apparent in Perth.

Surely same could be said for any big city? But surely Sydney less so than many? It is hardly New York or London or Mumbai for that matter. (hardly an Alpha city) I have never lived there, but have visited it on a number of occasions over the years(know quite a few living there as well) and certainly don't find it that hard to know. Obviously don't know, nor need to, every suburb , but know most places worth knowing (many as well that are not)

I thought you were recruiting 457's as well if recalling previous posts under the 'old name' rightly? Surely the onus on the 457 was to fill a position not readily available (after market testing) proved hard to fill within Australia? Most will be aware the regulations around market testing were relaxed considerably, but another subject. This being the case one can but wonder why such temporally visa holders are not required to 'educate/teach/show (however one wishes to describe it) locals on the ground here the ropes and then sent on to other pastures, in this wonderful globalised world economy, to further pass on their knowledge and so on and so forth. Why should this visa be regarded as an entitlement? The purchasing of a house should matter not. In fact there is an argument that NG should not apply to temporally visa holders (should be done away with completely, but again another matter) For that matter one may well argue similar rules as for foreign students regulations in buying a property here. On departing the country the property 'must' be sold. To my mind the whole idea that the 457 will likely be an entry to PR shows it is well past its day. Not that I think the 'changes' go much beyond window dressing and playing to the herd. I do accept though that a number of people may well be caught out with possible negative consequences due to a far too lenient policy that went on far too long.

Surely no surprises that 'Turnbull turned the worm', in a matter of speaking? Although I expect the 'reforms' will not go far enough, namely window dressing in part, but an attempt by this dreadful government to 'silence' or at least steal the thunder of parties to the Right. They have certainly learnt from abroad. (Be that Trump of the Brexit mob) as to how to rally the masses. Interestingly when Gillard brought to attention the abuses carried out under the scheme in 2013 she was shouted down by the big end of town and the Libs, not forgetting the Murdoch press for being racist and destructive of the economy. Still who'd be surprised. The Lib's are floundering in the polls. The country is in a mess. Hence the old 'circle the wagons' and put Stralia First. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It can go a ways and badly needed as well. It would be better to tackle the real reasons why we have a housing bubble of gigantic proportions though. But population growth through immigration is but another factor.

Or how about the unwillingness to foot the bill to train youngsters in preference to seeking out 457's instead. TAFE colleges have courses full of young people doing catering and service training. I wonder how many actually obtain reliable work places? There are myths galore about the wiliness of Australian workers. Not to dissimilar from UK and lack of work ethnic from within the working population there. Few young Australians can survive without work these days. The dole is a pittance and hardly liveable. They do need opportunities though and encouragement. Not to be in completion at every side all too often by those on temporally visa's be that 457's, WHV, Student Visa's and the like.

What I am aware is of the little need to 'import' such bod's. Australia has an ample supply of its own. Only 'not possible to source' candidates should get a look in on the 457. Time the abuse was finally put to rest. Yes I am fully aware education and what you suggest to be the case. I still stand by my comments on CEO not necessary being a 'skill' as such. (and I've known quite a few)

Forgive me but You say yourself you have no qualifications. I am a little amazed as to the grounds, from what is described above, as the reasons you feel your case should warrant a further 457 let alone PR. It is hardly as if CEO is a rare position in Australia. In fact a bit of a revolving door in certain areas I've been exposed to due to lack of suitability. That includes Australian born as well as foreign. Some foreign born that am aware of have taken on a CEO position after company restructuring for less money. This has had the result of edging out local talent and lowering conditions overall.

Only question being what took them so long? The rorts by employers and far too over generous entry levels for barely skilled and/or positions where shortages did not exist, has over time played havoc in sectors of the Australian work place. It has certainly seen standards fall. In my opinion this visa should never have been offered as a short cut and cheaper option to attempt to enter Australia. Those on it should be required to return and apply through normal procedures if they feel they have something that cannot be filled from those within Australia already. Yet another of the former Liberal (Conservative's) ploys like their damage to the housing market that has resulted in a lot of harm through going to far. Better late than never I suppose, but one may well ask just how much is due to fringe party pressure?

I know the article quoted but some update required. Perth Con's include.. An increasingly poor job market with the greater probability of far further to fall .... A still too over priced city in general....but at least real estate, while still over priced has fallen. A massive suburban sprawl consisting of many meh type localities... While public transport is adequate to reach the city from a number of locations, it is hardly good. Perth remains an auto focused city where car remains king. Walkability is low in comparison with international city walkability scales. Not particularly good for aged folk due to sprawl and auto focus but depends on location . (same for young) Beaches are okay but force of wind should not be under estimated, making beach conditions not especially durable during certain times of year and times of day in summer. High power bills. (I believe highest in Australia?) Isolation (though Bali, for those that have the need, is close enough.) More insular than bigger cities and can be cliquey. Perth's Pro's include... Light dress avails for a large part of the year... Winter's usually not particularly cold. Although can be colder indoors than out due to poor insulation. Increasing cosmopolitan city focus and both sides of the equation that brings House price falling hence more affordable than bigger cities, for those lucky enough to have steady employment. A less of a 'big city feel ' for those that prefer quieter and less frantic locations.

I certainly know of a couple of women whom retrained in late fifties as psychologists here in Perth. Hence would have been in sixties at time of registration. I have mixed thoughts on the matter. One side says 'good on them' another says there is a time for everything and at one time the train leaves the station. I say this because I witnessed the stress both endured in slightly different ways but debilitating in parts and/or impacting on behaviour at times and the like. Just how many years I wonder do they hope to function? This area is heavily subscribed to by far more youthful applicants. It has been a favourable option for many for a number of years to study. Nothing wrong with doing so of course. People are being forced to work late without options. I guess women with perhaps less in super, due to a number of years out of the work force, may experience a greater need, in order to avoid an impoverished 'old age' but hard none the less.

Have stayed in Sydney twice over last quarter year and would likely move there all being equal. I do like the buzz and more eccentricity evident than on the streets of Perth. Saying that I hardly think it a great city to live with survival mode clearly evident, to varying extents to those I know living there. In fact one family I know would love to move to Perth. Another a European single female, still claims to enjoy the Sydney lifestyle, but is work stressed, and doesn't have a lot a social life outside of her bush/urban walking club. Sydney now being mentioned as the second most expensive city for property in some quarters after Hong Kong, can one would expect, offer a diminished lifestyle to all but the lucky and/or the rich. I would agree it is over rated at such a price. Of course the harbour is top rate. A great port city to arrive or leave by sea and only Rio has a better harbour in my experience. Sadly few live with sea/harbour views though and to what price does the Sydney experience become invalid due to extreme cost as to make it hardly worth the effort. I was reading the other day the difficulty in getting top notch computer professionals from Europe to stay. Many find the city too expensive and too boring. Still an attractive location for Asian professional staff though....for now at least.

Seemingly all roads lead to Melbourne at least as far as preferences go. Only downside being the population of that city is streaming ahead of Sydney's. This will impact on house prices and quality of life over time.

Further examples of infrastructure not keeping up with continued (though reduced) excessive migration. This results in reduced living standards for many, when not planned accordingly. Just how many in per cent terms are from abroad? One another note,one may well wonder just how do people afford to have kids in Sydney anyway?

Probably because Australia actively has a system in place that 'encourages' back packers into performing manual rural tasks. Most those would not in a million years consider such a thing without the carrot approach. So all those apple pickers in Kent from Eastern Europe in the nineties were an illusion of my imagination in your opinion?

That is as I understand inclusive of all incomers including foreign students and those on 'business stays but mot intending to migrate.

No matter how the employment raw numbers rose, the fact remains unemployment in percentage terms is on the rise. Another figure worth savouring being one third of those with a mortgage have little to no back up if/when interest rates rise or personal tragedy strikes, such as unemployment. Obviously the government and supportive media outlets will prefer to dwell on better news stories but the fact remains we are far from being out of the woods.

The problem is infrastructure isn't being built to cope with anything like the migrant excess. Space is limited in our cities, hence the ever move 'outwards' to suburban boundaries.

Unelected EU making it happen? Here's me thinking it was the Blair government placing UK on the front line allowing immigration from new member states, along with Ireland and Sweden. All other EU had a period of three years wait before 'free access'. Not forgetting the eighties when EU nationals could claim housing benefit and dole. This was well known to many, especially Italians and French. For some funny reason it didn't work the other way though. Talk about encouragement to come to UK for a 'free' holiday stay and learn the language as well as get paid for it.

Of course they don't. If they could though I'd suggest they would.(or some) What Oz does have is many tens of thousands of back packers, from around the globe, 'encouraged' by means of an additional year 'bribe' to remain in the country , working rurally picking fruit and the like, in some dire conditions at times, including being ripped off and abused. Not by all of course, but still greater regulation may well better for all concerned.