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Good luck!
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Great research Jac, any chance you, or someone can raise this with AHPRA on twitter? They are paying attention, but we need some more voices, they'll be fed up of mine!
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I read on the Oz Department of health site, that there are concerns re posts for graduate nurses, but as I've explained on a few emails now, the reason we were accepted by ANMAC, is that post grad experience is necessary, Oz has plenty of new graduates, from expos etc is was made apparent that experience is what Oz needed not degrees!!
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Let's hope it's all filtering through now, we can all see the knock on effect, except AHPRA it would seem!
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Hi everybody, This is for those of you who have been assessed by ANMAC, or are already in Oz, suffering by not being able to work. It appears that only healthcare professionals have to prove themselves 3 times over, ANMAC, AHPRA and NMBA. In other professions the skills assessment is enough. I think for those of us who have gone through.visa process, we need to take another course of action, and talk to immigration? There is an MP for immigration, Scott Morrison, and I'm sure he won't be too happy at the thought of immigrants given visas because of their profession, moving to Oz then being refused the right to work! Especially as nurses remain on the SOL list for ALL states! But we need strength in numbers. Those of you at the moment suffering real personal hardship,and many have posted on here, you need to share your plight with him! But he's not going to pay attention to one or two emails! He needs to walk into loads to understand the scale of this! As I've said before, the disparity between ANMACs assessment of us at AQF7 (which reading it, is correct) and AHPRA's assessment of us at AQF5 or 6, is the huge problem, we as UK nurses have one of the toughest training courses in the world, and the NMCs commitment to ongoing professional development, means we are more than able to work as nurses anywhere, AHPRA have taken it down to the piece of paper we leave Uni with, probably as they see it, to bring it line with the UK, but the UK haven't stopped all the diploma nurses from working, so why should Oz? We need to make someone higher up listen! Maybe mention PIO forum, he'd just need to read this thread to understand the situation! Good luck to all.
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I won't resign, I doubt I can keep my own council! I keep telling myself not to press send, then do! and I think until they answer the question, which let's face it, they can't, I'll keep asking, because if they were using the AQF correctly, as ANMAC do, we'd all be AQF7 and they couldn't refuse us, and this whole sorry mess would never have started, as it's the only thing that we are being refused for! Our experience, and NMC histories are all impeccable. I just wish they could understand it takes more than a bit of paper you walk out of uni with to make you a nurse!
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And on that note, I must resign from my Twitter campaign! My OH thinks I am becoming a little too vocal! Please please please, all DipHE nurses, read the AQF 6 and 7 specifications. ANMAC assess us as AQF7, but AHPRA have decided we are no more than AQF6! You all need to compare what you have done, (quals and experience) to the criteria listed! And add your voice to the twitter campaign! If lots of us draw attention to this, they will take notice. Notices have appeared on their website, that can be linked to issues raised on twitter!
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Well in a way, it does, this is our argument on twitter! Our diploma has long been considered a bachelor equivalent, (as the Oz diploma takes 18 months) until the recent changes, as we do the same 3 year course as the degree nurses, they have to do more academic modules, but that does not make them any more able to be a practising registered nurse than us! NO consideration is given for post reg experience! And that's the sad thing, AHPRA are turning away lots of nurses with many years of experience! purely on the basis that their initial qualification was not degree! Although, as you'll see on Twitter, I'm awaiting a reply on why the UK Dip HE is now considered an AQF6, when it fulfils ALL THE AQF7 specifications!
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That's great news for you, but sadly not for all of us Diploma nurses who have been waiting a lot longer than 4 months, just highlights how our qualifications are being viewed. Good luck in Oz
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Let's hope, in the not too distant future, we'll have a meet up of the 'frustrated nurses support group!' On a beach in Oz, with a cold one in hand! Here's hoping x
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I asked about twitter, as the only reason we are being given for refusal is the AQF level they assess us at! Waiting the justification for our Dip HE being classed as AQF6!!
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Are you following twitter?
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I hope so Bouncy, we've all got so much experience that can only benefit the Australian people, and we're being turned away! Very sad!
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Rant away Ayrshire2oz! We're listening x
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The course last 12 weeks, but some with diploma are not even being offered this, and being refused outright! That's the most worrying thing! But it is an insult to say our 3 year university course compares to the 18 month Australian equivalent! I am living with a constant feeling of sickness, house sold, PR visas in hand, flights booked, and the very real possibility I won't be able to work a nurse, which is the very reason they gave me a visa!
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This is the mad thing I'm trying to point out, AHPRA are assessing our diplomas as AQF6 at best, if you visit the AQF website, and look at the criteria, we are being unfairly compared to a course that takes 18 months! ANMAC assess us using the same framework, they may be independent of AHPRA, but they are using the same tools, so how can the results be so different. If you read the website you will see UK diploma fulfils ALL the AQF7 criteria, and as it's this we are being refused on, we need to know why?
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I have read that too, a bit late to say don't make any irreversible plans now, isn't it!
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I think the biggest problem with the assessment of our diplomas is that we are assessed at AQF6, this is the only reason they have to refuse us, but their reasoning is fundamentally flawed! They are not using the AQF as it is intended, to compare our qualifications as ANMAC does, but just looking at the title of our qualification and saying it's the same as Australia, quite clearly it isn't, if anyone hasn't done it already please go to AQF framework website and read up on the levels. And we need more people giving them a bit of stick on Twitter! They've put themselves on a social media sight, and we need to use that to make our voice heard! It took them 10 days to respond to my last question, about why ANMAC and AHPRA are not linked, even then it sounds like a long winded way of saying 'we are but we're not! Wonder how long it'll take to answer why we are assessed as equivalent to AQF6, when our 'university based' course takes twice as long as it's Australian equivalent! And it'll be interesting to see how they justify it! My emails gone to MP, strength in numbers! Sitting back, hoping things will change, quite clearly isn't working!
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Keep an eye on twitter too' I'm trying to make the point re AQF on there! Be interested to see AHPRAs response to my latest question!
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I've just received reply from AQF too, redirecting me to ANMAC! Total madness!
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Yes, ANMAC assessed my Dip HE as equivalent to batchelors degree, as it is using the AQF framework!
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I'll email first, if a few of us do, it may just strike a chord!
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Is he an MP country wide or just for SA?
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That's what we're all wondering about now! Criteria 4 is about assessing our quals against Aus quals. We are being refused registration on the basis our diploma is being assessed as, at best AQF 6, the equivalent of an 18 month course in Oz! And as no one is asked for further info on criteria 4, we can assume, us Diploma nurses are seen as AQF 5, (Australian diploma) with no consideration forvthe length of course, or course content!! And theatre nurses are in such high demand!! It's mad!!!
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Hi Danielle and Squirrel, I've just sent email to AQF too, maybe if a few of us do, it might become apparent, that it doesn't appear to have been applied correctly in our case, even their advanced diploma is only 1.5-2 years in length, and that is AQF 6, at the very least. And when you read it, ANMAC have used it correctly, which is why our 3 year course was compared to batchelors, as our training covered all that is required for AQF 7 specification. AQF state they enable 'comparability of Aus and international qualifications' and as many of us are having our 3 year course assessed as equivalent to a 1.5 year course, and being refused, seems that AQF need to address how their framework is being implemented!