Paul1Perth

Some people and couples choose to be childless and there's nothing wrong with that. Plenty of people with kids end up divorced too. Sometimes because of the extra pressures that come along with kids. Sometimes one partner has just gone along with the idea of having kids, because of the grief they are getting, thinking things will carry on the same when kids come along. When they do come along they want to carry on the same as they did and it breeds resentment and an unhappy end to the marriage.

You can get your travel in while you're young Stacey and a good job might come by, it might not. Having a job you might enjoy is more important IMO. Things have to change when you have kids Stacey, whether it seems old fashioned or not you can't carry on the same. You have to make choices about work, holidays, travel, friends, social outings. You feel constantly tired and it's easy to start having arguments with your partner as one of you thinks the other one is not putting in as much effort. You don't realise how hard it is till they role up.

I guess the human condition of having choices and a bit more brain than most species parley.

It's stretched out to pubs now jock. Me and the wife went to the breakwater (a nice pub at Hillary's with a big deck out the back, looking over the marina and Ocean) for lunch a few weeks ago. We couldn't get on the deck for Mum's with prams, young kids running around and tremendous noise from the kids not being tended to 'cos the Mum was too interested in the conversation and the glass of wine. What is it with young Mum's? Do their ears tune out the sound of screaming automatically?:laugh:

The number of times I've thought of saying something like that but in typical guy fashion I've got on with it and taken my turn in whatever it was needed doing. Getting up in the middle of the night, changing nappies, staying in when the wife wanted to go out, cutting back on playing sports, cutting back on going to the pub, cutting back on catching up with friends. I think the two women you knew were a bit selfish and could have told the husband what the real score was before the kids came along.

Of course married men are healthier. They aren't out boozing when they feel like it, staying out late, on tinder or one of the other dating sites sorting out the next date, burning the candle at both ends.:wink:

Yep, my wife couldn't wait to get back to work after maternity leave. She said it was turning her brain to mush.

Like I said before though Skani what outgoings did they have in those days other than paying the mortgage off. My Mum didn't work when we were kids but my Dad worked 7 days a week, we hardly saw him and when he was off on Saturday he went to the match with his mates, on Sunday we had to be quite in the afternoon as he was asleep on the settee. No cars, phones, internet, holidays abroad not even a TV. I remember my uncle getting the first colour TV and having about 20 people in his front room with the curtains shut to watch the cup final. My Mum was expected to have a meal on the table when my dad came in from work and her job was to look after us and make sure the house was clean. Mum was happy with that as far as I can tell, it was just the way things were. As far as I can remember they hadn't paid their mortgage off till they were in their 50's and were a lot poorer than most people these days. We just want and expect to have all the mod cons, holidays and a home, then wonder why both parents have to work. I know a few that don't work and are happy to stay at home and look after the kids. It's still doable on one wage but what lady would do without a car, perm her own hair, like my Mum did for years, go everywhere with a couple of kids on the bus, what guy would put up with public transport to go everywhere? I grew up in the 50's too. The house my Mum and Dad had at the time would have been demolished long ago and wouldn't be fit to live in these days. outside toilet, no bathroom, shower in corner of the tiny kitchen, tin bath in front of the fire, no central heating.

Great saying but pure BS.

There's a limit though K&L. I've seen a few marriages implode because of financial pressures and the stresses that brings, from thinking they could afford to have kids. A break up doesn't help anyone, least of all the kids.

I think there are more blokes that think like that than would admit it Naomi, especially to their wives.:wink: I also know a few who (in private) say "being married is good, but it's not as good as being single".:laugh: Once married everything is a compromise.

I don't know whether our lives have been better for having kids. It's one of those things you are never going to know. We've had good times and not so good times. We would certainly have been a lot better off and been able to do some tremendous things that you don't even contemplate once you have kids. I think I would have had just as happy a life without them and maybe more happy, who's to know. A friend of mines son has a drug problem and is in a home at the moment being treated. He's been taking drugs since he was 14, always been in trouble, caused a lot of grief to the family. The parents are no longer married, he's a young man of 30 now, doesn't have a job, still has a problem. neither parent know what to do with him, he absconded for a couple of days when no-one knew where he'd gone. It's not all sunshine and roses.

Never been any different has it QSS?

Most guys will never get this. The want and need thing is totally foreign to most guys.

See, typical womans answer.:wink:

No you aren't overlooking anything. Don't know why you've bothered working it out, it's too scary isn't it. I was never bothered about having kids but my wife got broody and really wanted one. For a quite life I though I would go along with it and really expected months of fun before she got pregnant.:wink: Didn't work out that way and she was pregnant the first month she came off the pill. Never trust a nurse.:wink: That was one of the things that led us to emigrate as it happened. We had always been used to going on a couple of holidays abroad in the summer. We had a timeshare in Portugal and used to go to Greece or somewhere for another couple of weeks. When we had the youngster and we had got a mortgage for the first time too it was the first time we couldn't afford a holiday abroad and the summer was crap. It really got us down. We were both working full time too. Eventually thought we may as well bite the bullet and emigrate to somewhere with a nice climate. Women don't listen when they want kids, reasoning goes out the window, it's no good pointing out the costs, the answer you will probably get is "everyone else manages". That's about the sum of it too, you struggle through somehow. We have two boys now, couldn't afford either of them.:wink:

You would get those rates on a help desk.

$1.2m for a two bedroom flat:eek:

I heard the guy from AHPRA say that there are bridging courses that are available and acceptable for someone wanting to get registered here. Would be an awful lot cheaper and less hassle than moving back to the UK for a while. If the courses are recommended and designed by AHPRA I would think that they would have a hard time turning down registration if you went that route.

Last few days there has been a lot of discussion on the radio following St John's revelation that they are shipping in a lot of Irish nurses, some of which might be stuck in the registration quagmire. I heard a guy from AHPRA being grilled last night, trying to justify the changes. I think all this has happened without the government minister for Health knowing much about it and he sounded pretty embarrassed when he was on a few days ago. He says they are going to sort it out and get AHPRA moving. Would be nice to think he's true to his word. Good sign that it's getting a bit of air time though.

But wherever he chooses ain't going to be Sydney with everything it's got going for it. He must have wanted to move away from London for some reason.

Mate, what are you after? $700 a day should be fine for a great lifestyle in Sydney. Just because you've been used to creaming it in London in the rat race, relax a bit and be prepared to take a bit less.

If you choose to follow twitterers advice rather than applying mate go for it. From your wifes quals and experience I would be looking at applying for a permanent residency visa. Don't even bother with the holiday one. There are people on twitter, facebook and all those social media sites that would argue black is white if they thought it was going to wind someone up. That's a lot of people's idea of fun these days.

You're most likely right with the age thing davlap. I know interviewers and employers are not supposed to choose based on things like age etc. but in the real world they do. They might be able to get a younger person, with more up to date skills at a lot cheaper price than a 50 year old with experience would expect. It's tough to take I know and I hope the job pans out for you.