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190 submitted, not certified copies of any docs...mistake???


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Omgosh thank you!! I'm sure I had read somewhere that as long as they were colour copies they didn't need to be certified, but have just uploaded my husbands full birth certificate (only had his short one on there) and noticed a little question mark next to each section on the "upload documents" section. Clicking on it it said they had to be certified copies, so panicked! Hadn't noticed that before! The whole thing seems so contradictory at times! We are at 99 days post application today, so really hoping to get a grant soon. 

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A little feedback from my MA, when I asked him if it is mandatory to have the docs certified by a Notary Public.

 

There are two views on whether to submit colour scans of the originals or provide certified copies.

Some case officers may accept colour scans of the originals and some do not.

Some skills assessment authorities (for example, Engineers Australia) ONLY accept colour scans of the originals. Some skills assessment authorities (for example, Australian Computer Society) ONLY accept certified copies. Here is an example: https://www.expatforum.com/expats/australia-expat-forum-expats-living-australia/1023865-urgent-acs-did-not-accept-notray-public-attestation-lahore-pakistan.html

 Some US presidents (like Trump) ban muslims from certain countries to enter US while other presidents (Like Obama) did not. The question is whether you will get a case officer with the views of Trump or Obama? No one can tell. Your friend might have got a person like Obama.

 While some case officers may not accept colour scans, no case officers can say that they will not accept certified copies. Hence, submitting certified copies is the safe thing to do. We have submitted certified copies of the documents so far and we have got no issues at any time with any case officers. No investigations, no natural justice letters so far.

 Some people make fake currencies and fake passports. Hence, creating fake documents is easy. India and Pakistan are high risk countries in terms of bogus documents and misleading information (for Australian immigration). Even registered migration agents from these countries do submit bogus documents: Please see: https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/01/31/indian-migration-agent-wife-stand-trial-running-fake-marriage-scam

 Hence, some case officers do not trust Indians or Asians. Getting a certified copy helps the case officer as they can rely on the responsibility of the Notary public, who certified that it is a true photocopy of the original. Hence, the case officer need not worry about the genuineness of the documents. If there is contact information of the notary public (for example, mobile phone number), it gives additional confidence. If they want, they can call the notary public to ask whether he has seen the originals.

 Two candidates, who submitted the colour scans of originals (they submitted their application on their own) are met with the natural justice letters as the Department started suspecting on their cases.

To answer your question, it is not mandatory to get certified copies with the contact details of the notary public. At the same time, it is not mandatory for all the case officers to accept the copies that are not certified and grant you the visa. If the case officer that you get do not trust the documents, they can initiate their investigation, which may lead to a natural justice letter and visa refusal, if they find some inconsistency with your application. Our clients in the last 7.5 years did not get any natural justice letters due to the fact that we submit all documents in correct order.

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