MARYROSE02 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Yes a test of political astuteness may well be called. Those displaying larger than expected degrees of apathy told to brush up and apply to vote next time around. Let's rid of the farce in politics. Great in theory, now about putting it into practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 So, what would the 'statesmen' you are thinking of do? And which 'statesmen' are you thinking of? Bill Shorten? Kevin Rudd? Julia Gillard? What would you do to introduce the 'austerity' budget that we probably need? I think you know pretty much the route I'd take. I don't intend to regurgitate comments mage with often a degree of frequency, due in part to you asking repetitive questions. Abbott is far removed from a statesmen regardless of his liking for Winston Churchill biogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Great in theory, now about putting it into practice? And the present fiasco called democracy? Changes are desperately needed. People are paid to work out the nuts and bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 And the present fiasco called democracy? Changes are desperately needed. People are paid to work out the nuts and bolts. So, what is SO awful about the Aussie version of democracy (remembering that our "Founding Fathers' tried to take the best of what they thought were the two premier democracies of the day to create our system- ie USA and UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 So, what is SO awful about the Aussie version of democracy (remembering that our "Founding Fathers' tried to take the best of what they thought were the two premier democracies of the day to create our system- ie USA and UK) I didn't say it was so awful. There are far worst systems I can name in the word. It is a question of how functional it remains. The massive rise of Big Business influencing and subverting political discourse to a growing extent. The increasing apathy and belief in the political machine as something of any use in the lives of everyday people. How's that for starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I didn't say it was so awful. There are far worst systems I can name in the word. It is a question of how functional it remains. The massive rise of Big Business influencing and subverting political discourse to a growing extent. The increasing apathy and belief in the political machine as something of any use in the lives of everyday people.How's that for starters? "Big Business?" (& their sub conspiracies " Big Pharma" "Big Oil" etc? And worst of all "Big Rupert?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 "Big Business?" (& their sub conspiracies " Big Pharma" "Big Oil" etc? And worst of all "Big Rupert?" All part of the process. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 All part of the process. Yes. Much of the 'dis-function' as I see it, is caused by factors like the control of The Senate by minority parties, not by 'Big.......' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Much of the 'dis-function' as I see it, is caused by factors like the control of The Senate by minority parties, not by 'Big.......' Obviously the Senate obstructs as is its job. Otherwise the Big's would be walking all over any concept of the pretence of democracy in order to suit own agendas. The scrapping of an inquiry into the iron ore industry but a small example of influence. What would put a brake on such enormous and powerful interests without a Senate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Obviously the Senate obstructs as is its job. Otherwise the Big's would be walking all over any concept of the pretence of democracy in order to suit own agendas. The scrapping of an inquiry into the iron ore industry but a small example of influence. What would put a brake on such enormous and powerful interests without a Senate? Except that The Senate was 'designed' to be a 'House of Review', an elected 'House of Lords' rather than a hodgepotch of 'micro-parties' pushing their own agendas. What is the point of us electing a government, whether Liberal or ALP, if they cannot 'govern?' In answer to your last question, well, how well does New Zealand govern itself without an upper house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Except that The Senate was 'designed' to be a 'House of Review', an elected 'House of Lords' rather than a hodgepotch of 'micro-parties' pushing their own agendas. What is the point of us electing a government, whether Liberal or ALP, if they cannot 'govern?' In answer to your last question, well, how well does New Zealand govern itself without an upper house? New Zealand has proportional representation from memory. Rather an improvement from the piggy Muldoon days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le petit roi Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) House of Lords; a fine example of democracy in action. :wink: Abbot would probably earn more respect from all sides if he faced down cheating and corruption wherever it occurred. Instead, he is all about intimidation of the weakest parts of society. It says a lot about Australians that such an ignorant and boorish man ever became prime minister. He'll keep his support providing he keeps the money tap which supplies the middle class welfare flowing. Turn the money tap off, you'll hear the middle class parasites squeal. Edited May 24, 2015 by le petit roi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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