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So, what would the 'statesmen' you are thinking of do? And which 'statesmen' are you thinking of? Bill Shorten? Kevin Rudd? Julia Gillard? What would you do to introduce the 'austerity' budget that we probably need?

 

I think you know pretty much the route I'd take. I don't intend to regurgitate comments mage with often a degree of frequency, due in part to you asking repetitive questions. Abbott is far removed from a statesmen regardless of his liking for Winston Churchill biogs.

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And the present fiasco called democracy? Changes are desperately needed. People are paid to work out the nuts and bolts.

So, what is SO awful about the Aussie version of democracy (remembering that our "Founding Fathers' tried to take the best of what they thought were the two premier democracies of the day to create our system- ie USA and UK)

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So, what is SO awful about the Aussie version of democracy (remembering that our "Founding Fathers' tried to take the best of what they thought were the two premier democracies of the day to create our system- ie USA and UK)

 

I didn't say it was so awful. There are far worst systems I can name in the word. It is a question of how functional it remains. The massive rise of Big Business influencing and subverting political discourse to a growing extent. The increasing apathy and belief in the political machine as something of any use in the lives of everyday people.

How's that for starters?

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I didn't say it was so awful. There are far worst systems I can name in the word. It is a question of how functional it remains. The massive rise of Big Business influencing and subverting political discourse to a growing extent. The increasing apathy and belief in the political machine as something of any use in the lives of everyday people.

How's that for starters?

"Big Business?" (& their sub conspiracies " Big Pharma" "Big Oil" etc?

 

And worst of all "Big Rupert?"

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Much of the 'dis-function' as I see it, is caused by factors like the control of The Senate by minority parties, not by 'Big.......'

 

Obviously the Senate obstructs as is its job. Otherwise the Big's would be walking all over any concept of the pretence of democracy in order to suit own agendas. The scrapping of an inquiry into the iron ore industry but a small example of influence. What would put a brake on such enormous and powerful interests without a Senate?

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Obviously the Senate obstructs as is its job. Otherwise the Big's would be walking all over any concept of the pretence of democracy in order to suit own agendas. The scrapping of an inquiry into the iron ore industry but a small example of influence. What would put a brake on such enormous and powerful interests without a Senate?

 

Except that The Senate was 'designed' to be a 'House of Review', an elected 'House of Lords' rather than a hodgepotch of 'micro-parties' pushing their own agendas. What is the point of us electing a government, whether Liberal or ALP, if they cannot 'govern?'

 

In answer to your last question, well, how well does New Zealand govern itself without an upper house?

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Except that The Senate was 'designed' to be a 'House of Review', an elected 'House of Lords' rather than a hodgepotch of 'micro-parties' pushing their own agendas. What is the point of us electing a government, whether Liberal or ALP, if they cannot 'govern?'

 

In answer to your last question, well, how well does New Zealand govern itself without an upper house?

 

New Zealand has proportional representation from memory. Rather an improvement from the piggy Muldoon days.

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House of Lords; a fine example of democracy in action. :wink:

 

Abbot would probably earn more respect from all sides if he faced down cheating and corruption wherever it occurred. Instead, he is all about intimidation of the weakest parts of society. It says a lot about Australians that such an ignorant and boorish man ever became prime minister.

 

He'll keep his support providing he keeps the money tap which supplies the middle class welfare flowing. Turn the money tap off, you'll hear the middle class parasites squeal.

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