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.......just mushrooms over this topic.....!

......and again I ask..... ......to leave them to what....! .....this attitude of not caring what goes on beyond our own front/back call it what you will....door..... ......has encouraged the sad and shameful attitude that has allowed disgraceful behaviour to happen under our noses... ......from next door abuse and murder..... ......to a people desperate for help....... .......until we can look beyond our own comfortable existence..... .......the world will continue to spiral into a place where persecution and abomination.....are accepted..... .......as long as it doesn't affect us personally........shameful.....IMO.....!

.......this smacks of not in my backyard...!.....the sentiment...! .......by ignoring those who need help.......we are helping the baddies...! .......because by fearing the few bad apples......an excuse to ignore the needy.... .......the rot will spread...... .......the bad will just get stronger..... .......if we help those in need............we help minimalise the effects of the harm....... .......these are neighbours...! .......human beings....... .......and as such deserve to be recognised as needing help....... .......we would expect the same if in their position........ ........and there but for the grace....!

.......then you will more than likely cope with the sun..... .......take it slowly...... .......avoid the harsh times.....

.....are you very fair skinned....? .....if so you just have to adapt....... .....my red headed son ,if careful doesn't burn...... .....though he grew up here so is used to the sun.... .....he wears a hat and screen if he's out in the middle of the day..... .....but not mornings or afternoons...! .....enjoy the sun when it suits you..........!

.......we closed the door.....!

......unfortunately yes...! ......but the sun damages your skin.....! ......so beware.....! ......it's better to have less exposure during the harsh sun....... .......even after many years......it's possible to burn.....! .......enjoy it in the safe times........use your screen and hat...... .......but mostly.....know when your skin has had enough............!

........again you are quoting about the few....! .......many have genuine reasons to flee.......

.....that's not the same thing.......! .....think of it as holding your hand out to a child in need.... ......or closing your eyes to one....!

.......sometimes if the sunscreen is overprotective..... .......when you forget you will burn...! .......your better with a lessor factor ......and less exposure....! .......I've lived south of the equator most of my life...... .......and found this works best....... .......the aim is not to burn..... ........many forget how long sunscreen lasts......and this is when the problem happens..... .........learn how long is safe for you..... .........a little sun......and then more often........just a thought...!

.......but it's what is happening instead that is worrying.....!

........just go out for short times to start with.....! .......usual precautions..... ........but take your time..... ........you can still enjoy the sunshine........just build up to longer exposure.... .........and enjoy the morning and late afternoon sun.......less harsh.....ime......!

.......for who though.....? ......desperate circumstances ......cause desperate deeds..... ......all we have done is close a door...... .......lets just hope theses desperate people don't succumb to a worse and more dangerous means.....! .......easy to say its solved....! ........but it's not solved for these people is it.....?

........innovated ....? ........or a step too far.....? .......http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/08/bristol-restaurant-skipchen-ingredients-binned-supermarkets .......The menu was certainly eclectic, ranging from Orkney crab and king prawn salad to spicy baked beans on toast. There was a bread and butter pudding for desert – or a lighter fruit smoothie. “But tomorrow it will be all change again,” said chef Dylan Rakhra. “We get different foods in every day, loads of stuff – bagels, lobster, lettuce. “It’s really fun. You look at what you’ve got, you make up meals and serve them. People seem to be loving it.” The name of the restaurant – Skipchen – gives the game away. Rakhra and his fellow volunteers do not order in their supplies. Some of the food is donated but most is found: on farmland, outside mainstream restaurants and, most commonly, in supermarket skips.

.......guess if I can't ....see.....them.......it can't be happening......!

.........but stayed and endured what........?

.......perhaps my replies are failing to portray my opinions..... ........so have decided to clarify my posts..... ........I believe our government is using the issue of asylum seekers to cover their ineptitude in other matters.... ........useing scaremongering tactics with other world issues....ie terrorism.... ........to sway public opinion.... .........that Australia does not accept enough refugees to fulfill its potential quota....! .........that refugees have a right to seek asylum..... .........in a country capable of fulfilling the needs of those seeking it.... .........that false and misleading data......has been used to fuel a suspicion and fear within the public of Australia.... .........by a government unable and unwilling to address aworld issue that is a concern and obligation of Australia.... .........that the lack of resources is down to the influx of asylum seekers is a myth.....again bandied by inept politicians... .........that by stopping the boat people......a solution has not been found.... ..........merely a door slammed in the faces of a vulnerableeople...shameful IMO..... ..........any thing else unclear...? ...........I apologise for my poor clarity..... ............but am preoccupied ATM.......a reason not an excuse..... ............why I have recently stayed away from such threads..... ............but my passion for finding a solution......is still as strong.....! .............tink X

........we voted someone in to make these decisions..... .........to choose how and where monies should be spent....... .........my post posed the question of why..... .........asylum seekers were in any way of consequence to these problems...... .........being of such smaller proportions than reported in political point scoring....... .......oh and if I ruled the world...... ........let alone the budget.... there would be no wars, Just a bunch of angry countries not talking to each other.......lol....! ........I'll let you share your ideas.... ........I'm off to CTF...!

......had to reply to this...! ......viable...!....perhaps poor choice of word.... ......as in they fill a criteria.....! ......as all migrants do..... .......a criteria of seeking refuge.... ........of seeking asylum.... ........I realise there has to be control..... .........but not to the extent of exclusion..... .........when the above is a fact..... .........to seek asylum.....IS....The Right of any human being....! .........you questioned the right to choose where.... .........I replayed that it should be....! .........but of course often more than one criteria needs to be filled.... .........as any migrant knows,., .........asylum seekers have the right to expect a country that has the resources to support them.... ..........Australia has.....IMO....!

....going to leave this one alone now....! ....information is available for all to read....! ....but still many are led in their beliefs by those with political agendas to fulfill.... ....smoke screens offered.....for problems the country has..... .....not caused by the issue at hand.... .....mismanaged public spending.... ......not enough health care availability.... ......poor infrastructure... ......mismanaged world trading opportunities..... ......lets blame the huge proportion of asylum seekers.......! .......its easier than admitting ....that who we voted for may be wrong....! .......or have lied..... .......or are just inept..... .......my final thoughts......tink X

.....the choice is made ...IMO....because often the countries first arrived in..... ......do not have the resources to cope...! .......this is available to explain.....! .......The country in which they have sought protection has a clear framework for assessing refugee claims and providing protection;Asylum seekers can have their claims assessed through a fair and credible system of status determination; People who are found to be refugees have a secure legal status and will be protected against forcible return to their country of origin (refoulement); Refugees have access to services and support necessary to ensure a decent standard of living; Refugees have access to a durable solution within a reasonable period of time; and The human rights of refugees and asylum seekers are respected and upheld. .......not every country has the above....!

......one caused by greed...of the few...! ......the other by desperation......of many...! .....opposite ends of the scale...IMO...!

.........and such as your solutions should be considered.....! .........it's the lack of wanting to solve a world problem....... ........that's all of ours to consider as part of the human race that saddens me tbh.... .........and choice of resettlement.... ...........of course .....if its viable...... ...........did we not choose our place of residence......?

........all your points don't advocate lack of empathy...! ........or indeed a want to try and find a solution........not just a deterent....! ........to take a humane interest and will to seek and employ a solution.... .........by lobbying those able.....! .......queue jumping...? ........applying for protection. ........seeking asylum is standard procedure. ..........As a refugee is by definition a person outside his or her country of origin, ...........every refugee in the world must have, at some point, entered another country to seek protection.....! ........... Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option. ...........It is unreasonable to expect refugees to remain indefinitely in situations of danger and insecurity, or to penalise them for seeking their own solutions, when the international community fails in its responsibility to provide effective protection. ...........Australia bulging at the seams...? ...........but .... Australia received 29,610 asylum applications, just 1.47 per cent of the more than two million claims lodged across the world through individual application and group recognition processes. ..........is this such a large part of why....? .......By definition, refugees are survivors. .......They have survived because of their courage, ingenuity and creativity. .........qualities which we value in Australia. ......., ........If we assist newly arrived refugees to recover from the experiences of their past and rebuild their lives in Australia, we will reap the benefits of the qualities and experiences they bring to our society....... ........( all taken from various available places on the Internet.....the refugee council of Australia....!surely they have correct information...).....http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#swamped .......and the titanic debacle......? .......caused by greed.....profits expectations..... .......sadly the way of the haves....!

....but this still poses the question of what can be done..... ....the reality for these people is still there.... ....all that's happened is a door has been slammed on a vulnerable people.... .....too easy IMO....to now close our eyes..... .....asylum seekers don't just,..go away.... .....the problem isn't fixed.... ......it's just been pushed away from the eyes of many Australians.... ......it's not happening here.....they can't get here.......can't see it...! ......there's more than one way of voting for whats right ime... ......supporting a cause.... ......forcing the government to address the issues.. ......we all have a voice.... .......and need to use it.... .......stand up for what's wrong......... .......and turning our backs on these people.....is wrong....IMO....!