samozsoon Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Hi Alan, Peter, Tony, Gill Sorry to bring this up again but do know anymore about the date change to the Citizenship Laws? The Immi website still says 'Likely to be 1st July'. When are they likely to confirm this? Just wandered if you guys had heard anything else on the grapevine. Thanks for any help you can give. Sam :wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BruceandSheila Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Hi - we have just been granted our 136 visa's and worried as we not aware of the date chnage to the Citizenship Laws - looked on immi website quickly and havent found out much... do you we need to get to Oz before the year given to valid our visa's? Any advice would be most appreciated? Cheers Bruce & Sheila :huh: Hi Alan, Peter, Tony, Gill Sorry to bring this up again but do know anymore about the date change to the Citizenship Laws? The Immi website still says 'Likely to be 1st July'. When are they likely to confirm this? Just wandered if you guys had heard anything else on the grapevine. Thanks for any help you can give. Sam :wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thepriceclan Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Hi Bruce and Sheila, You have to move to Oz or validate your visa before the year given to you dated from either your meds or police checks. You should have a date on the visa telling you which initial entry should be done by. Sarah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samozsoon Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 Hi Bruce & Sheila The citizenship laws in Oz are changing on the 17th Sept (this is a definate date) or sooner if the gov (or whoever decides these things) wants. At the mo they say the date is 'likely to be 1st July'. Under the old rules you are required to live in Oz for 2 yrs before you can apply for citizenship, under the new rules you have to live there for 4 yrs. There are probably other requirements as well, but its the living there for either 2 or 4 yrs that concern me at present. Unless you have a reason to want to become citizens in 2 yrs then it wont affect you or the validation of your visa. Once you get the visa stamps in your passport they will have printed on them the dates which you need to enter the country by. Sorry if I've confused/worried you. Sam xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kelly.stobbart@sky.com Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Bruce & Sheila The citizenship laws in Oz are changing on the 17th Sept (this is a definate date) or sooner if the gov (or whoever decides these things) wants. At the mo they say the date is 'likely to be 1st July'. Under the old rules you are required to live in Oz for 2 yrs before you can apply for citizenship, under the new rules you have to live there for 4 yrs. There are probably other requirements as well, but its the living there for either 2 or 4 yrs that concern me at present. Unless you have a reason to want to become citizens in 2 yrs then it wont affect you or the validation of your visa. Once you get the visa stamps in your passport they will have printed on them the dates which you need to enter the country by. Sorry if I've confused/worried you. Sam xx Hi Sam Sorry to seem a little dim!!:mask: Just a question on the citizen ship change - we first moved to Oz in Aug 05 on a permanent residency but then returned a year later , we are now returning this year for good but our visa actually expires 2010 Sep. My question is can we still apply for citizenship after 2 years or will our year count from 05-06 , my oh is worried that if we should have to come back for an emergency say sep 2010 and don't come back till our visa runs out what do we do? It also states on our visa that ' holder to stay in Australia indefinately' and then the other side has this expiry date:chatterbox: Can you help??????? Thanx Kellie xx xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjw Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 hi, as far as i know you have to have an unbroken 2years here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanblockley Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi There I've just been granted a 138 visa. I've seen what you mean. There is a 5 year expiry on the visa, but it does say indefinitly. The expiry date just means that after the expiry, if you want to leave the country, you'll need to apply for a Residents Return Visa (RRV). I have no idea why they do this, I suppose it to encourage you to become an Australia citizen. If you have citizenship, theres no need to worry about the expiry on your visa. My concern with this is when do the rules apply and who to? Do they apply to visa's granted after a certain date, or just everyone. If they apply to everyone there's going to be some people that have been in Oz 18 months that have now got to wait another 2 and half years before they can apply, where as they would have been preparing for the citizenship test now. Hope we're all well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanblockley Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 A quick read on the DIAC website all becomes clear. Let me copy and paste first... If people became permanent residents before 1 July 2007 and apply before 30 June 2010, they must have been physically present in Australia as a permanent resident for a total of two years in the five years before applying, including one year in the two years before applying. My understanding of this is that if you activated your visa (i.e. first entry into australia) before 1st July 2007 then you should be OK under the 2 year rule until 2010 :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kelly.stobbart@sky.com Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 A quick read on the DIAC website all becomes clear. Let me copy and paste first... If people became permanent residents before 1 July 2007 and apply before 30 June 2010, they must have been physically present in Australia as a permanent resident for a total of two years in the five years before applying, including one year in the two years before applying. My understanding of this is that if you activated your visa (i.e. first entry into australia) before 1st July 2007 then you should be OK under the 2 year rule until 2010 :smile: Cheers Alan think i understand now:twitcy: Kellie x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi There I've just been granted a 138 visa. I've seen what you mean. There is a 5 year expiry on the visa, but it does say indefinitly. The expiry date just means that after the expiry, if you want to leave the country, you'll need to apply for a Residents Return Visa (RRV). I have no idea why they do this, I suppose it to encourage you to become an Australia citizen. If you have citizenship, theres no need to worry about the expiry on your visa. My concern with this is when do the rules apply and who to? Do they apply to visa's granted after a certain date, or just everyone. If they apply to everyone there's going to be some people that have been in Oz 18 months that have now got to wait another 2 and half years before they can apply, where as they would have been preparing for the citizenship test now. Hope we're all well. Hi Alan A lot of migrants to Oz do not aspire to Australian Citizenship. Malaysians, for example, don't want it. The reason is because Malaysia will not recognise dual citizenship, and a lot of investments etc in Malaysia are restricted to Citizens only, as are rights to work in Malaysia. The UK is sanguine about dual Citizenship but a LOT of other countries are not. Also a lot of people obtain visas for Oz long before they really have any wish to live there. Some simply want to make pots of money outside Australia for many years, contributing zilch to the Australian economy, but if they got half a chance they would rock up in Oz aged 70 wanting the Australian Aged Pension, all the other concessions for Seniors, full Medicare and the whole bang-shoot. Others still have no real wish ever to live in Australia. They are perfectly content in other countries but they want a bolt-hole in Oz just in case they ever need to get out of their own countries in a hurry and move to somewhere safer to live. The only real way to control this is to restrict entry to Oz in succeeding years unless the visa holder demonstrates a genuine commitment to Oz in some way. Consider geography as well. If you want a 3 day shopping spree in Oz, it is a mere hop & skip from the Pacific Rim countries. Some would simply commute between Oz and their home countries if they could. Hence there is a need to spend 2 years out of every 5 in Oz. That won't catch all the commuters because the idea is 730 nights in aggregate in Oz in every 5-year cycle, so they can still commute, in effect. However, RRV criteria also require the person to demonstrate a genuine commitment to Oz by investing money there, having dependents who genuinely do live in Oz and so on. I couldn't understand RRVs at all when I first heard about them until someone explained why they are needed. Nobody can be prevented from leaving Oz, but they can be prevented from returning if their alleged commitment to Oz is not genuine. I and a couple of others had some fun with a Mr Habib a couple of years back on another forum. He had a skilled 136 visa which had been granted 4.5 years earlier. After a brief validation visit, he left Oz because he could get better IT experience elsewhere. Then he discovered that he could earn more money outside of Oz too... The cost of living in Oz had also proved to be higher than he had expected, so Mr Habib needed to earn wads elsewhere so that he would eventually be able to afford to live to Oz. HIs final story, with 6 months to go and about 3 weeks in total in Oz under his belt, was that he had fallen in love with a lady he had recently met in Syria or somewhere. Mr Habib reckoned that his new love could not be nurtured unless he remained outside Oz for another 2-3years. He was confident that Australian IT wages would improve during that time-frame as well. He would be more than happy to settle in Oz once he had satisfied his offshore shopping list, we gathered. He felt sure that the forum readers would be convinced of his predicament and that our combined expertise would be able to assure him that DIAC would co-operate with him in his future plans. You can imagine the reaction he got.... Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanblockley Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Gill Thanks for filling in the blanks, all becomes clear Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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