MCIOB Recognised

[cstevens11]

I have researched every single forum possible and cannot seem to find anywhere that can confirm whether MCIOB status through the CIOB is the equivalent of the Australian Bachelor's Degree.

Here in the UK it is the equivalent, and it's the highest qualification you can get in your profession. 

Has anyone had any success? I have even tried to contact Vettasses who could not confirm!

I did my training on the job rather than doing a degree, and those training years do not count as experience, unfortunately! 

[paulhand]

What occupation are you looking to get a skills assessment in?

[cstevens11]

Construction Project Manager

I have an employer who can sponsor me, but as I don't have a degree, I have to have 5 years' experience to substitute. I sought advice in the UK and was told yes I qualify once I have 5 years (that is January) however, the employer's agent has said no, you only have 3 years (they disregarded my experience as a trainee). So I am wondering whether the CIOB counts as degree equivalent. I have just submitted my application for review. 

Baffles me how someone with a degree and no experience can be accepted, yet someone with experience and equivalent qualifications can't. I have done three years of study! 

 

 

 

[wrussell]

So I am wondering whether the CIOB counts as degree equivalent.

Not for Australian immigration purposes.

Baffles me how someone with a degree and no experience can be accepted.

The ANZSCO commentary on this is misleading. The probability of having no relevant work experience and being granted a skilled visa of any subclass is zero.

You seem to have been incorrectly advised.

 

[cstevens11]

4 minutes ago, wrussell said:

So I am wondering whether the CIOB counts as degree equivalent.

Not for Australian immigration purposes.

Baffles me how someone with a degree and no experience can be accepted.

The ANZSCO commentary on this is misleading. The probability of having no relevant work experience and being granted a skilled visa of any subclass is zero.

You seem to have been incorrectly advised.

 

By that I mean someone who is fresh out of university and never been on a construction site before. A lot of companies offer the degree route, but they make it hard for those who have gone the traditional route such as myself (on the job)

None of the qualifications count for anything, which is incredibly frustrating when you’ve worked hard.

Anywho, thanks for the clarification! 

[Ken]

8 hours ago, cstevens11 said:

I have researched every single forum possible and cannot seem to find anywhere that can confirm whether MCIOB status through the CIOB is the equivalent of the Australian Bachelor's Degree.

Here in the UK it is the equivalent, and it's the highest qualification you can get in your profession. 

Has anyone had any success? I have even tried to contact Vettasses who could not confirm!

I did my training on the job rather than doing a degree, and those training years do not count as experience, unfortunately! 

While on occasions you need a professional qualification the Australians don't rate them. In my profession the highest qualification you can have in the UK is Chartered Accountant. The technical term in the UK for an accountant who has a degree but hasn't yet taken any professional exams is "unqualified accountant". In Australia however my bachelor degree counts as a higher qualification than the professional qualification whenever I'm are asked to list my highest qualifications (I've now also got a Graduate Diploma which is higher than the bachelor degree but would still be considered lower than the Professional qualification in the UK).

[cstevens11]

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Edited June 15, 2022 by cstevens11

[cstevens11]

Just now, cstevens11 said:

I just wish all the qualifications were streamlined internationally, to save confusion. I’m not doing anymore studying, I’ve done 3/4 years it’s enough.

I am going to do a working holiday (I’m 27) and just tie myself over, by that point I’ll qualify for sponsorship. Let’s hope the new trade agreement comes in fruition in July. Will solve my problems!

 

[wrussell]

It might be possible to develop a successful visa strategy. May I suggest that you consult one of the registered migration agents who posts on this forum, before you commit to a course of action?

[Marisawright]

@cstevens11, the working holiday visa sounds like a good idea, because it will be approved fairly quickly and you can then gain Australian experience too.   Being in Australia on a WHV won't prevent you applying for another visa (e.g. an employer-sponsored or PR visa).   

Does your employer's agent think the sponsorship will be successful with the qualifications and experience you've currently got?

[cstevens11]

6 hours ago, wrussell said:

It might be possible to develop a successful visa strategy. May I suggest that you consult one of the registered migration agents who posts on this forum, before you commit to a course of action?

I currently work for an employer who can sponsor me, so I spoke to the specialist migration agent (in house) and got the information I needed. She said once I have five years experience (January) I can be considered for the 482. I’m guessing she used my training years as relevant experience.

I also spoke to another migration agent separately for a second opinion, who have clarified yes this is possible and yep my experience will count in the January as 5 years.

I have decided to leave my current employer for other reasons, as there is no guarantee they can relocate me as they said the “role is very senior in the business”

I managed to find a company who are willing to sponsor, but their immigration agent has deducted some experience so I’m getting quite conflicting information. They’ve classified that I have 3 and not 5! 

 

 

[cstevens11]

20 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

@cstevens11, the working holiday visa sounds like a good idea, because it will be approved fairly quickly and you can then gain Australian experience too.   Being in Australia on a WHV won't prevent you applying for another visa (e.g. an employer-sponsored or PR visa).   

Does your employer's agent think the sponsorship will be successful with the qualifications and experience you've currently got?

Hi Marisia,

This is what I’m thinking, however it’s the fact of jumping around employer every six months. I know they have temporarily relaxed the rules till Xmas so you can work for a year, however I would still need to do regional work to gain the second year, which will tie me over experience wise.
 

They have said if we can sort visas then there’s a position for me, it just depends what the agents come back with. I’m not holding out much hope though. They did mention a 400 visa which is a 6 month, so whether I can do that then do the 417? 
 

I qualify for the 400 though so I’m not sure why not the 482.

For me, this is a long term move so ideally want to settle with a company and make my mark if you know what I mean. But if I have to move around then so be it! 

Also hoping this new trade agreement comes into place July!

Edited June 15, 2022 by cstevens11

[cstevens11]

20 hours ago, Ken said:

While on occasions you need a professional qualification the Australians don't rate them. In my profession the highest qualification you can have in the UK is Chartered Accountant. The technical term in the UK for an accountant who has a degree but hasn't yet taken any professional exams is "unqualified accountant". In Australia however my bachelor degree counts as a higher qualification than the professional qualification whenever I'm are asked to list my highest qualifications (I've now also got a Graduate Diploma which is higher than the bachelor degree but would still be considered lower than the Professional qualification in the UK).

I see what you mean, but it says online that Australia recognises the qualification... I am wondering if it would be worth doing the Australian alternative which is the Australian Institute of Building. I will have to enquire. I am guessing all the professional review questions would have to be from experience in Australia. 

Edited June 15, 2022 by cstevens11