David Cameron to introduce tough new laws on EU immigration in response to UKIP election wins.

[MARYROSE02]

This is all complete BS, lies and propaganda.

 

[h=1]About Australia's aid program[/h]

Faithon and Mum Regina at the Well Baby Clinic in Port Moresby. The Australian Government is supporting the PNG Government to address infant mortality by training more midwives and health workers. Photo: Jacqueline Smart.

 

The purpose of the Australian Government’s aid program is to promote Australia’s national interests through contributing to economic growth and poverty reduction. The best way to reduce poverty is to promote sustainable economic growth. The aid program will have a much stronger focus on promoting economic growth than it has in the past. We will use more of Australia’s aid funding to expand trade in our region, create jobs, build skills, boost incomes, reduce economic insecurity, and empower women and girls. The aid program will contribute to Australia’s broader economic diplomacy efforts to deliver greater prosperity for Australia, our region, and globally.

The Government is committed to an effective and efficient aid program with a strong culture of accountability and performance. Making performance count involves better linking performance assessments with aid funding decisions. With a stronger emphasis on promoting economic growth, private sector development and trade, and delivering value for money, we will build an aid program that is effective in reducing poverty in our region and improves the lives of millions of people in developing countries.

 

 

• Where we give aid
• Poverty and aid
  
• Management of the aid program
  
• How the aid program works
  
• Millennium Development Goals
  
• More information
  

 

[h=2]Where we give aid[/h]Australia's aid program focuses on the Indo-Pacific region. We are internationally recognised for our leading role in the region, particularly in PNG and the Pacific. Our aid is even more important given two-thirds of the world’s poor—some 800 million people—live in the Asia Pacific, yet they receive less than one third of global aid. Australia also provides assistance to Africa, the Middle East, Latin America and the Caribbean.

[PWA200]

You are obviously some EDL or associated similar far right groups,with your utterances about hatred of the Caucasian race. Your right some I severely despise. Especially those of such extreme arrogance that live in another land ,attempting to part with ill informed views in guise of intellectual content when in fact another agenda is at play.

 

Nauru is not a processing centre to which you in ignorance referred in an earlier post, to see I note you now refrain from stating, where asylum seekers are processed prior to entry into Australia. Forget about the Marxist/socialist claptrap and admit you were wrong.

 

I demanded nothing and stated Australia has a legal obligation under entered agreements. The UNHCR tribunal in Geneva on November 28 will hopefully throw more light on the matter and hopefully backroom deals are not done and Australia is made to face the full consequences of actions to date.

 

Naturally prolonged detention I would disagree with as would most clear thinking people. Doesn't prevent solutions being sought. And yes it very much has to do with Nauru.

 

Nauru is a state, and that within the state of Nauru there is a processing facility for illegal immigrants run by the Australian Government - are you arguing otherwise? Is your argument that the Nauru Detention Center is a prison within which persons are not subject to any laws? Are you arguing the Nauru Detention Facility does not exist?

 

My first post starts with the term 'Nauru Detention Center' and points out that I am foreigner - two uninteresting points you are obsessing over and filibustering with.

 

'I am not an Australian but personally believe the Nauru Detention Center is totally justifiable' (page 13 of this thread)

 

I discussed the detention facility and why I believe its existence is justified from the perspective of the state.

 

The Australian Government has a legal obligation to detain non-visa holders entering its territory under the Migration Act 1958. Would you like to see this law repealed?

 

You have accused me of having another agenda - what is this agenda?

Edited November 20, 2014 by PWA200

[Harpodom]

Funny you know people working in the centres as I know heaps. Even warmer than that but no matter. No I don't believe you would be happy day after day of listless, little to do, often in scorching heat, personality issues often breaking out into violence, no indication on future prospects, I could go on.

 

I would like to know the role the alleged people you know work in. It wouldn't be security would it? Prime people to give assessment on such a delicate issue I'm sure.

And they don't even get working with children checked.

[PWA200]

Is it all just propaganda?

 

Conveniently propaganda happens to be all the things they don't agree with.

 

There is a massive, global, secretly coordinated, wide ranging and obviously evil conspiracy to undermine their worldview you see - haven't you heard about it!?

 

Apparently we are both involved.

Edited November 20, 2014 by PWA200

[MARYROSE02]

There's one other thing I forgot about, unusual in that it should be so obvious. If Government departments spew out propaganda on behalf of that Government. Then why isn't the ABC a mouthpiece for the present Government? If they can tell DFAT to say what they want, why not the ABC?

[flag of convenience]

So you are saying that every page of the DFAT website, and by implication, every page of every Government Department, is just propaganda. My God, you must really believe in 'The Illlumati!'

 

And of course, if every page of the DFAT site, and every other page of every other Government Department, regardless of which party is in power, is just propaganda for that particular party!

 

The Australian Government gives aid to countless countries around the world, and Nauru is just one of them. Is it all just propaganda?

 

Tailored to suit present government ideological policy .....

[flag of convenience]

This is all complete BS, lies and propaganda.

 

About Australia's aid program

 

Faithon and Mum Regina at the Well Baby Clinic in Port Moresby. The Australian Government is supporting the PNG Government to address infant mortality by training more midwives and health workers. Photo: Jacqueline Smart.

 

The purpose of the Australian Government’s aid program is to promote Australia’s national interests through contributing to economic growth and poverty reduction. The best way to reduce poverty is to promote sustainable economic growth. The aid program will have a much stronger focus on promoting economic growth than it has in the past. We will use more of Australia’s aid funding to expand trade in our region, create jobs, build skills, boost incomes, reduce economic insecurity, and empower women and girls. The aid program will contribute to Australia’s broader economic diplomacy efforts to deliver greater prosperity for Australia, our region, and globally.

The Government is committed to an effective and efficient aid program with a strong culture of accountability and performance. Making performance count involves better linking performance assessments with aid funding decisions. With a stronger emphasis on promoting economic growth, private sector development and trade, and delivering value for money, we will build an aid program that is effective in reducing poverty in our region and improves the lives of millions of people in developing countries.

 

 

• Where we give aid

• Poverty and aid

• Management of the aid program

• How the aid program works

• Millennium Development Goals

• More information

 

Where we give aid

 

Australia's aid program focuses on the Indo-Pacific region. We are internationally recognised for our leading role in the region, particularly in PNG and the Pacific. Our aid is even more important given two-thirds of the world’s poor—some 800 million people—live in the Asia Pacific, yet they receive less than one third of global aid. Australia also provides assistance to Africa, the Middle East, Latin America and the Caribbean.

 

Foreign Aid cutbacks by present government. Ring any bells? Of course Australia gives foreign aid no one would claim any difference. Your point being?

[flag of convenience]

There's one other thing I forgot about, unusual in that it should be so obvious. If Government departments spew out propaganda on behalf of that Government. Then why isn't the ABC a mouthpiece for the present Government? If they can tell DFAT to say what they want, why not the ABC?

 

Can't they? The recent cut in funding after broken promises by Abbott is a whack with a big stick to bring into line or at the very least introduce caution into steeping out of line. Fits in well with present government's lack of wiliness towards accountability and honesty. Allows the propaganda machine to operate with less scrutiny. You should know how the Right hate to be held to account almost as much as they hate the little people.

[Harpodom]

Can't they? The recent cut in funding after broken promises by Abbott is a whack with a big stick to bring into line or at the very least introduce caution into steeping out of line. Fits in well with present government's lack of wiliness towards accountability and honesty. Allows the propaganda machine to operate with less scrutiny. You should know how the Right hate to be held to account almost as much as they hate the little people.

 

Not to mention the hollowness of their 'free speech' agenda.

 

I think their version of 'free speech' is the freedom to be a bigoted moron but NOT to have a press that calls them to account.

[flag of convenience]

Conveniently propaganda happens to be all the things they don't agree with.

 

There is a massive, global, secretly coordinated, wide ranging and obviously evil conspiracy to undermine their worldview you see - haven't you heard about it!?

 

Apparently we are both involved.

 

It's called persecution complex. Although there are very powerful forces at work that want to eradicate the status quo and introduce agendas far from favourable for the average person.

[flag of convenience]

Nauru is a state, and that within the state of Nauru there is a processing facility for illegal immigrants run by the Australian Government - are you arguing otherwise? Is your argument that the Nauru Detention Center is a prison within which persons are not subject to any laws? Are you arguing the Nauru Detention Facility does not exist?

 

My first post starts with the term 'Nauru Detention Center' and points out that I am foreigner - two uninteresting points you are obsessing over and filibustering with.

 

'I am not an Australian but personally believe the Nauru Detention Center is totally justifiable' (page 13 of this thread)

 

I discussed the detention facility and why I believe its existence is justified from the perspective of the state.

 

The Australian Government has a legal obligation to detain non-visa holders entering its territory under the Migration Act 1958. Would you like to see this law repealed?

 

You have accused me of having another agenda - what is this agenda?

 

To further your disagreeable world view of politics, I'd imagine your view may well be. Another frustrated Little Englander swept up in the anti tabloid foreigner bias. For you to know and for me not to really care.

 

Just like to get the facts straight. While obviously Nauru is a detention and in more recent times processing centre, it is not set up to facilitate those found to be refugees entry into Australia. That original statement to which you no longer acknowledge, no doubt due to now knowing it was wrong.

 

Further comment is my personal view, to which you may and indeed do hold another view, but there can be little discussion that the bribing at the very least, Nauru a country totally inadequate for such a task was an ill thought out executed for political expediency and little else.

[PWA200]

Not to mention the hollowness of their 'free speech' agenda.

 

I think their version of 'free speech' is the freedom to be a bigoted moron but NOT to have a press that calls them to account.

 

It's called persecution complex. Although there are very powerful forces at work that want to eradicate the status quo and introduce agendas far from favourable for the average person.

 

Could either of you tell me who these people are?

[flag of convenience]

You really believe every government written statement as fact?

 

All that time I spend working for the ATO and it was all a lie, a fraud, a fairy tale, just propaganda!

 

Hang on, we need people like you to cut through the propaganda and explain to the rest of us which Government information is fact, and which is lies and propaganda. Are you up to the job?

 

WE most certainly do. Working for ATO you should be very well aware of the political influences reflecting the colour of the ruling political party of the time.

[PWA200]

Just like to get the facts straight. While obviously Nauru is a detention and in more recent times processing centre, it is not set up to facilitate those found to be refugees entry into Australia.

 

 

Within the same sentence you have called it a processing center - and also denied it is a processing center.

 

Once again: What is the centers purpose?

[PWA200]

:chatterbox::chatterbox::chatterbox::biglaugh:

Edited November 21, 2014 by PWA200

[flag of convenience]

Within the same sentence you have called it a processing center - and also denied it is a processing center.

 

Once again: What is the centers purpose?

 

I'm being undeservedly nice to you. What was set up in haste as a detention centre for political expediency has in recent times started processing detainees, so I'll allow the term processing to pass, but to the world it is still referred to as a detention centre. Not overly hard to get one's head around surely?

 

Purpose is punishment although no crime committed and political expediency, as has been with some repetition put to you.

[flag of convenience]

:chatterbox::chatterbox::chatterbox::biglaugh:

 

A little typical of the Right I'm afraid. Unable to admit error and can't hack it when argument or lack argument of shown to be nothing more than ideology and bluster.

[flag of convenience]

Could either of you tell me who these people are?

 

I could write an entire thesis on the subject. Rather obvious the forces at work attempting to create a new order or at the very least advance a particular econ/political ideology. Hardly the forum to go into depth on such matters.

[Harpodom]

Could either of you tell me who these people are?

I was referring to the current govt. I thought it was obvious to anyone paying attention.

[PWA200]

Your previous statement was full of inaccuracies as expressed above. Nauru is not a processing centre for Australia.

 

Just like to get the facts straight. While obviously Nauru is a detention and in more recent times processing centre

 

Game, set and match.

[PWA200]

I'm being undeservedly nice to you. What was set up in haste as a detention centre for political expediency has in recent times started processing detainees, so I'll allow the term processing to pass, but to the world it is still referred to as a detention centre. Not overly hard to get one's head around surely?

 

Purpose is punishment although no crime committed and political expediency, as has been with some repetition put to you.

 

I was under the impression that we agreed under the Migration Act 1958 entering into Australia without a valid visa is a illegal - thereby allowing the state the power of detention?

Edited November 21, 2014 by PWA200

[PWA200]

I could write an entire thesis on the subject. Rather obvious the forces at work attempting to create a new order or at the very least advance a particular econ/political ideology. Hardly the forum to go into depth on such matters.

 

Well lets start on your thesis then:

 

1) Do you believe the Migration Act 1958 should be amended to allow persons entry into Australian territory without a valid visa?

Edited November 21, 2014 by PWA200

[flag of convenience]

Game, set and match.

 

Glad you accept your earlier error. Off Shore Detention Centre being the term in use. Australia being not the place where former detainees once finally processed after very long confinements will end up. It is processing in a Detention Centre for clarity. Game set match...

[flag of convenience]

I was under the impression that we agreed under the Migration Act 1958 entering into Australia without a valid visa is a illegal - thereby allowing the state the power of detention?

 

Wrong impression as it is legal to claim asylum at a national border.

[PWA200]

Wrong impression as it is legal to claim asylum at a national border.

 

I said 'enter Australia' which implies crossing the border. I didn't mention asylum.

 

Do you even believe the state has the right to detain certain persons under the Migration Act 1958?

Edited November 21, 2014 by PWA200