How is Tones going for you?

[Parley]

We have had a wonderful warm autumn, perhaps the warmest ever.

No sign of Winter here.

[Harpodom]

We have had a wonderful warm autumn, perhaps the warmest ever.

No sign of Winter here.

 

Don't get me started on his climate change denial agenda!

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For me this story, the cutting of $500,000 funding to the Refugee Council of Australia, while at first sight rather insignificant (it's only half a million dollars), sums up the mean spirit of the Abbott govt.

 

Paul Power, the chief executive of the council, said he received a phone call from the immigration department this week about the cut. He said an officer from the department told him the decision to strip the organisation of funding was made by the immigration minister, Scott Morrison.

“We are surprised that funding that was allocated in the budget and allowed for in the government’s forward estimates to 2018 would be removed without explanation,” Power said.

“This decision is petty and vindictive and is symbolic of the minister’s very poor relationship with the non-government sector. While we and other agencies maintain constructive dialogue with other members of the government, it is clear that Mr Morrison has little interest in the ideas and concerns of non-government agencies which support refugees and asylum seekers.”

The peak refugee group is a widely respected organisation that represents a broad range of groups involved in asylum seeker legal aid, community support, advocacy and counselling services.

 

Yep NGO organisations cutting back human services on the front line due to funding. Already know two who will not have contracts renewed after June 30. That was before latest cutbacks announced. Further more a shocking report has been released stating the sad state of affairs on Nauru. Child abuse being the out standing feature going on with what would appear impunity. That is besides the attempts in own life, mental health issues and other issues resulting from poor conditions and hopelessness in concentration like conditions.

 

Thank goodness there are brave individuals willing to speak up as well as outside international organisations on the shocking conditions being administered by an equally shocking government that takes no responsibility for those in effect under its care that operate under a cloak of secrecy and lack of accountability.

 

Some shouldn't wonder to hard with regards to how far the regime is prepared to make its own suffer judged on its behaviour towards other human beings. Why the courts don't make this government walk over hot coals is a little beyond my comprehension.

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We have had a wonderful warm autumn, perhaps the warmest ever.

No sign of Winter here.

 

Scorched earth prediction looks coming sooner than expected.

[Harpodom]

Yep NGO organisations cutting back human services on the front line due to funding. Already know two who will not have contracts renewed after June 30. That was before latest cutbacks announced. Further more a shocking report has been released stating the sad state of affairs on Nauru. Child abuse being the out standing feature going on with what would appear impunity. That is besides the attempts in own life, mental health issues and other issues resulting from poor conditions and hopelessness in concentration like conditions.

 

Thank goodness there are brave individuals willing to speak up as well as outside international organisations on the shocking conditions being administered by an equally shocking government that takes no responsibility for those in effect under its care that operate under a cloak of secrecy and lack of accountability.

 

Some shouldn't wonder to hard with regards to how far the regime is prepared to make its own suffer judged on its behaviour towards other human beings. Why the courts don't make this government walk over hot coals is a little beyond my comprehension.

I know a guy who works for the Environmental Defenders Office in Melbourne. I think they've had all their funding cut, so now they rely on charitable donations.

 

Actually he said this was a positive in some respects: as the ABC are finding out, the Libs are gunning for those who rely on federal govt funding. Without the noose around their necks, the EDO can swing free and swing hard!

[theonetruechris]

Now is it just me or does the earn or learn policy look like they're attempting to get the nations youth to pay for their own benefits? When they are made to wait 6 months for welfare but they can be loaned money if they go into training which they'll have to pay back with interest, and since courses are likely to go longer than the 6 months which you'd have to wait for the dole. I'm assuming you'd also have to wait another 6 months after coming off a training course.

Well paid liberals not only do you cook the books by removing massive numbers from the unemployed you actually make them pay for the privilege. So fair, how very anyone suggest otherwise.

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I know a guy who works for the Environmental Defenders Office in Melbourne. I think they've had all their funding cut, so now they rely on charitable donations.

 

Actually he said this was a positive in some respects: as the ABC are finding out, the Libs are gunning for those who rely on federal govt funding. Without the noose around their necks, the EDO can swing free and swing hard!

 

Yes I understand cutting the apron strings but the problem being is finding other funding within a sea of others seeking the same. Homeless organisations here in Perth attempting the direct public appeal approach but it is slow. Business generally tends to want some form of recognition as well and may not want their corporate image associated with a swing free swing high approach.

Not an easy path outside of mainstream thinking I'm afraid.

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Now is it just me or does the earn or learn policy look like they're attempting to get the nations youth to pay for their own benefits? When they are made to wait 6 months for welfare but they can be loaned money if they go into training which they'll have to pay back with interest, and since courses are likely to go longer than the 6 months which you'd have to wait for the dole. I'm assuming you'd also have to wait another 6 months after coming off a training course.

Well paid liberals not only do you cook the books by removing massive numbers from the unemployed you actually make them pay for the privilege. So fair, how very anyone suggest otherwise.

 

Remember blue hat policy in general is everything should pay as much as possible for itself. Anything else is dreaded socialism. Hence the favour of roads over rail. Of course the easiest way to get younger Australians working would be to better police the 457's and WHV's that seemly becoming more of an alternative way to seek leave in Australia.

The present regime in place in Canberra is also off the mind to by pass the Senate in allowing corporates far greater access to overseas workers to work on off shore facilities. Talk about sticking up for Aussie jobs. Then there is the decline in apprenticeships. Why take on a young Aussie when the world is full of skilled labourers just wanting the chance to get into Australia.

 

So observations are pretty much on the money though. Cry The Beloved Country, may well have been written about Australia rather than South Africa.

[Petals]

I never had any expectations from this lot.

[Harpodom]

I never had any expectations from this lot.

You must have had some Petals, either good or bad!

[Harpodom]

I'd like to know what people think of this.

 

These are the conditions in which **children are detained** in Nauru:

Barely any screening for communicable diseases in children; none for under-11s

Children at ‘significant risk’ of sexual abuse

Most pregnant detainees are depressed

Youngest unaccompanied child is nine

Not necessarily LNP specific, but under the LNP the culture of secrecy is taking this country into seriously murky water in terms of the human rights of some of the vulnerable people on this planet.

[Tina2]

where I worked once we had people on the last attempt at work for the dole. Utter disaster. They resented being made to work, and did as little as possible but the main issue was they quickly learnt the security routine, where cameras were located and the company had many break in's so much so they pulled out of having work for the dole people.

 

Side issue what do people feel about Palmer ? Seems to at least have concerns for the most vunerable, but being involved in mining I have to wonder if all the compassion is not just a front that will change once he gets enough members in parliment.

[Bibbs]

I'd like to know what people think of this.

 

These are the conditions in which **children are detained** in Nauru:Barely any screening for communicable diseases in children; none for under-11s

• Children at ‘significant risk’ of sexual abuse

• Most pregnant detainees are depressed

• Youngest unaccompanied child is nine

Not necessarily LNP specific, but under the LNP the culture of secrecy is taking this country into seriously murky water in terms of the human rights of some of the vulnerable people on this planet.

 

Stopping the boats will solve this problem.

We can then process the people that are already there, and then not have to worry about more people later.

[Tina2]

I'd like to know what people think of this.

 

These are the conditions in which **children are detained** in Nauru:Barely any screening for communicable diseases in children; none for under-11s

• Children at ‘significant risk’ of sexual abuse

• Most pregnant detainees are depressed

• Youngest unaccompanied child is nine

Not necessarily LNP specific, but under the LNP the culture of secrecy is taking this country into seriously murky water in terms of the human rights of some of the vulnerable people on this planet.

What i want to know is why the hell they are still in detention ! Make a decision, stop stuffing around. Either let them in or put them on a plane back to where they came from. How hard can it be with all the computers and info available by the internet surely it cant be that hard to decide if they are genuine refugees or not.

[Harpodom]

Stopping the boats will solve this problem.

We can then process the people that are already there, and then not have to worry about more people later.

*Accepting* your argument that the boats have stopped, how long does it take to determine the refugee status of a child? 6 months? 9 months? A year? Forever?

[Harpodom]

What i want to know is why the hell they are still in detention ! Make a decision, stop stuffing around. Either let them in or put them on a plane back to where they came from. How hard can it be with all the computers and info available by the internet surely it cant be that hard to decide if they are genuine refugees or not.

They're being made an example of, to frighten people in Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia and Sri Lanka.

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where I worked once we had people on the last attempt at work for the dole. Utter disaster. They resented being made to work, and did as little as possible but the main issue was they quickly learnt the security routine, where cameras were located and the company had many break in's so much so they pulled out of having work for the dole people.

 

Side issue what do people feel about Palmer ? Seems to at least have concerns for the most vunerable, but being involved in mining I have to wonder if all the compassion is not just a front that will change once he gets enough members in parliment.

I done a stint in London decades ago getting folk into meaningless work schemes to enable them to continue with dole payments. Generally more trouble than it was worth. Few got into paid employment and even fewer were kept on after government sponsorship ceased. Used and abused by business by and large. Saying that others too damaged for want of another word to work.

 

I am in two minds about Palmer. He has a be in his bonnet with regards Abbott and the Lib's in general and especially with the QLD Premier. I suspect that over rules his normally play hard business style and somewhat authoritarian manner. I would like to think he is someone speaking on behalf of the little Aussie battler, a term no longer in use, but hold grave doubts.

 

Still your enemy's enemy must be your friend. So until proved definitely the other way I'll go along with him, besides not voting for him.

[Parley]

where I worked once we had people on the last attempt at work for the dole. Utter disaster. They resented being made to work, and did as little as possible but the main issue was they quickly learnt the security routine, where cameras were located and the company had many break in's so much so they pulled out of having work for the dole people.

 

Side issue what do people feel about Palmer ? Seems to at least have concerns for the most vunerable, but being involved in mining I have to wonder if all the compassion is not just a front that will change once he gets enough members in parliment.

 

So the unemployed are all criminals ? Is that your point ?

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Stopping the boats will solve this problem.

We can then process the people that are already there, and then not have to worry about more people later.

 

So why are people continuing to be subjected to such inhuman measures? This government is an ideologue which will only be brought into line of civilised conduct if forces to under law. Facilities are remaining open onshore for now in the case the regime has to eat humble pie. They'll do a sales job on that as well if the need to facilitate on the mainland does happen.

[Tina2]

They're being made an example of, to frighten people in Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia and Sri Lanka.

Possibly, but the point has now been made surely. The western world was horrified by the concentration and work camps in EU, what is happening here and now with these detention camps is not far off and the world should be disgusted.

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So the unemployed are all criminals ? Is that your point ?

 

Or fed up with being treated as pawns in a political mind game more the point.

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What i want to know is why the hell they are still in detention ! Make a decision, stop stuffing around. Either let them in or put them on a plane back to where they came from. How hard can it be with all the computers and info available by the internet surely it cant be that hard to decide if they are genuine refugees or not.

 

Due to the fact that under existing UNHCR rulings most would be deemed in need of asylum. It is clear neither Papua nor Nauru want nor are able to cater for those deemed refugees, regardless of what has been said in the past.

Hence the frantic search in the region to bribe other nations. I expect Cambodia has demanded a very high tax payers funded price to tale them or a number in there. A totally corrupt and unsuitable country for such a purpose but then this regime in Australia is lacking in moral compass and humanity so little else could be expected at the end of the day. Just think they opposed Malaysia on their high horse moral grounds as we..

 

A most despicable bunch of cads, cheats and porky pie's (ers) imposed on a modern western nation for a long time.

[Tina2]

So the unemployed are all criminals ? Is that your point ?

 

There are good and bad eliments in all areas of society. They were sent along with little or no supervision, unable to find work and forced to do work that in no way helped them to get a job a "few" took matters into there own hands .

I still think 2 years in the military is a far better option. They will be fed, have a decent place to sleep, earn a fair wage and may just come out of the military with skills to help them get a job.

Maybe we also need to look at our whole education system. Something like the old 11+ by 11 or 12 teachers have a pretty good idea which kids will go on to an academic career and which kids are better suited to a trade. Maybe we need to start spliting kids up around that age an offer more of a trade based education. Only last night on one of the current affairs programs it had Granville High School. They have opened a "coffee shop" on school grounds. Kids are train as barristers. Result ? Grades have gone up, issues in the school have gone down. Kids who failed in class now feel there is "something" they are good at. Many of the kids in the program will leave school and be able to walk straight into a hospitality trade. Time to think outside the square.

[Katie22]

He is as I expected him to be and I am sorry to say he is doing just what I thought he would. Have always tried to not allow personalities interfere in my political decisions but I do find him more dishonest and tactless than the average politician

[Parley]

Im pretty sure in about 5 years time he will be lauded by most commentators.