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2 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

‘Yes on social media the latest date seems to be 22/11/16’
 

That’s good to know, it’s certainly moving along now.  

The current quota of 6000 was set by the  govt in last budget. The new govt has announced a 2500 increase in the family stream effective immediately. But it’s not clear yet whether this will all be for parents. They have also authorised a review into the whole immigration/visa situation which is due to report in February 2023. They have also said they want to reduce the whole visa backlog. 
How all this will play out for parents is obviously still unsure. But if - if!- just 2000 of that 2500 were  added to the contributory parents quota  it could well be that by end June 2023 they may  have reached early 2017!! 
 

Having said that, the two months of May/June 2017 with their 9000 applications will stall the momentum as it will take around 18-24 months  to process them under the quotas announced this year unless the quota is greatly increased again. Hopefully there may be some good news in the October budget.  

16 minutes ago, Jen 07/01/2017 said:

Hi

Have anyone applied around Nov 2016 received email requesting for further information?

Do anyone know about maximum age for dependent child for parent visa 143? 
Thank you  

Yes on social media the latest date seems to be 22/11/16

The rules on dependants changed in November 2016 but I’m not sure when they actually took effect from.  The maximum age is now under 23. 23 years and over were not eligible unless they had a serious illness which kept them dependant  . However that would then still be subject to passing the medical. 

On 14/12/2021 at 08:05, Marisawright said:

Where do they live currently?  They will get Medicare if their home country has a reciprocal agreement with Australia.   If not, then no, they get nothing.

It's not hard to get a BVB if they have a solid reason.

They can't apply for a 143 onshore and they can't get a bridging visa if they apply onshore. 

 

They definitely  can apply for 143 onshore but they won’t get a bridging visa

The four year wait is mostly for young people and families I believe. Yes you have to have PR to be  eligible as well. 103 used to have a wait period of 2 years. That may have changed now. 

1 hour ago, scmucyx said:

Thanks, heaps, I have an idea now what to do next, however, I have got one more question, I had the impression of the waiting period for benefits starts from the time of submit of the application for 103 (queue date?), this was back then in 2012, is this still the case? or this has been changed?

New migrants have always had to wait for varying periods AFTER  they have arrived. Australia  expects migrants to be able to support themselves. They don’t expect to be paying out benefits to newly arrived migrants  

10 hours ago, scmucyx said:

Hi all, I am wondering if anyone is able to share their experience and thoughts about the question I have for a ceased main applicant during the waiting period for 103.

Q1: If the main applicant ceased, can the secondary applicant become the main by contacting Home affairs? Or a whole new application process?

Q2: Queue date 2012 for 103, if the applicant decides to switch to 143, would it be the same queue date as 103?

Q3: If switching is possible with the original queue date, Is the applicant eligible for any social benefits? Or with a waiting period?

Q4 Is the applicant eligible for any social benefits with 103 at queue date 2012?

Much appreciated!

I’m assuming you mean someone  has died rather than just withdrawn an application 

1) I understand if you contact immi and explain. The main applicant has died they will accept the secondary applicant as the main applicant without any change in date. 

2) if you switch from 103 to 143 you keep the same queue date 

3) No benefits are payable until after  GRANT of 143 for 10 years but will have Medicare 

4) I believe after GRANT of 103 you wait two years for benefits but will have Medicare 

However this is all pretty academic because 103 is likely to take quite a few more years as they’re only currently dealing with October 2010 I think and only 900 grants per year are available for the combined queue of 103 and 804 and likely to be further drops in that amount this year

Changing  to 143 would mean with a queue date of 2012  it would be processed almost immediately as they’re up to September 2016 at the moment. So you would need medicals. Police clearances etc plus pay a lot of money - approx $43600 plus the costs of medicals etc. and would still have to wait 10 years for any benefits after grant. You as sponsor would also have to pay assurance of support of $10000 and would not get it returned for 10 years. 
 

Australia doesn’t give any benefits out to new migrants until after a wait period of years. Should the migrant not be able to afford to live on their money Centrelink will  use the money from the Assurance of Support. Once that runs out you as sponsor will have to pay for everything and will have a debt to the government. 

21 minutes ago, BMikeW said:

Thanks for the straight talk.

I was surprised to read 15 years to granting an 864 visa. I appreciate that the wait is varied but thought it was more 5 or 6 years.

 

 

It’s because it’s in the same queue as 173,143 and 884 - all contributory visas. Also it was being wrongly processed earlier than the others (sometimes within a few Months!)  so now immi have put a hold on all 864 lodged before June 2017 until the others catch up with that date. It’s presently asking September 2016 applicants for further docs to start the processing . It’s moved quite quickly in the last few months but will stall once it reaches May/ June 2017 applicants because  9000 applied just in those two months  - at current annual quota that could take 2 years just to get through those two months alone.

There are already approximately 75k waiting in the queue so the wait time will only get longer unless the govt increase the quota and possibly stop the 804. It’s a possibility they may also look at 864 as people have complained that it’s very discriminatory to allow aged parents on that visa to wait onshore on a bridging visa when it makes aged parents on 143 wait offshore. Many weren't aged when they first applied or weren’t in a position to leave their respective  countries at that time for various reasons so applied for 143 on the premise  of a fairly quick result. It could actually take 18 plus years for grant if quotas don’t increase drastically. - and you’d still have to pass the medical at the end..If one fails all fail.   That’s a long time to be living on a temporary visa and facing all the extra costs eg for property. You need permission from FIRB to buy and they’ve just  doubled  the cost of that permission to a  starting figure of around $13500 plus each state charge an extra amount of stamp duty on top of the usual - NSW is an extra 7%! 
On a temporary visa they’re no entitlements to benefits or extra pensioner concessions. Reciprocal health doesn’t cover optical, dentists, ambulance etc so would need extra cover which is expensive and can only increase. Basically onshore visas need deep pockets for the future  

8 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I suppose the alternative given the current timelines is to effectively stop new applications.  With a huge number of people in Australia born overseas, this may not be a vote winner.

It may be a vote winner for those Australians born overseas whose parents with applications for contributory parent visas (which greatly outnumber non contributory) who have been waiting  offshore for many more years than they expected and are willing to pay a large sum of money for it! 

6 hours ago, Marisawright said:

First, ask the agent to explain why the 864 is better than the 804.   If you apply today, you will be waiting at least 15 years for your 864 visa.  If you are still fairly young, then that may still be worth it.  However, consider that you'll need to pass a medical at that point, and if you fail that, you'll have to go home.  What age will you be, how confident are you that you'd pass the medical at that age, and how would you feel having to set up from scratch again in the UK at that age?   Whereas if you go for the 804, you'll die before the visa is granted so you'll never have to face the second medical (the first one is a few years after application).

Make sure you are aware of the downsides of living on a bridging visa, e.g.

• You'll need permission from FIRB to buy a home and they'll hit you with a hefty surcharge on the purchase.
• If you were legally resident in the UK before you came to Australia, you'll get reciprocal Medicare which is good enough for most things, however you're not eligible for pensioner pricing on prescriptions, or any aged care benefits/support -- so you need to consider how that will affect your children, who may have to care for you, as well as yourself. 

There's no good or bad time to sell your UK property.  You'll have to wait until your bridging visa kicks in (that's at the end of your tourist visa), then you can apply for a BVB and you should have no trouble getting one since you have a specific reason for travel.  The snag is you have to give a definite date of return and you must return by that date or lose your right to enter Australia.  The other option is to go home, sell your property and get yourself organised at your leisure, then return to Australia on a new tourist visa and apply for your parent visa then.   If you're going to die before it's granted regardless, then there's no need to rush to apply.  

 

804 could possibly be discontinued at some point given it costs Australia taxpayers a lot of money so perhaps that’s why the agent recommended 864 instead of suggesting going for 804. Some visas in the  past have been discontinued retrospectively 

17 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

The crazy thing is that the government blocks people from getting the parent visas but then allows them to stay on bridging visas with reciprocal Medicare, which then still costs the government a lot of money.  

Exactly ! People who apply offshore for contributory visas have to wait offshore for their grants but more and more people are using a visitor visa then getting a bridging visa so effectively  “living” in Australia as soon as they land. The increasing cost to the Australian taxpayer with reciprocal care is not sustainable and govt  have already mentioned there are too many people on bridging visas already. 

2 minutes ago, Col1986 said:

Thanks for that information. Does that mean if we apply for a contributory visa 864, if she fell ill in the meantime she could still be sent back to the UK or would that more likely happen on the non contributory 804. It seems harsh to send someone home if they are showing willing to pay to be here but the government is slow in processing. Maybe it is better to apply for the 864 (given that we will probably never have to pay the full fee anyway with a 15 year wait) if the government don't like the 804 visa. Happy to pay if it means she gets to stay. If she has full health insurance anyway, why would the health costs be a burden on the government?

Possibly also on 864 as it will be years before they get the grant so that’s years of relying on reciprocal health care. Even if you apply for 143 and fail the medical at the end stage of the processing you will not be given the grant. So I assume the same for 864 and obviously as she ages she will have more problems and more medication. 
 

The argument  about not being a burden with full health insurance has continued for quite a while. Aged health insurance is expensive and will only increase with age and claims. It would have to be monitored by govt and checked every year I suppose. Some will not be able to carry on paying - are they then supposed to be asked to leave ? Opens up a minefield.
 

In common with every country worldwide Australia is facing a demographic timebomb - a rapidly ageing and expensive population - they don’t really want to import more old people.  And I say all this as someone who’s been waiting offshore for 5 years now and no nearer getting a grant. Yes I would like to be there but yes I can  understand Australia’s desire to have younger skilled workers than more potentially expensive elderly people. NHS in UK is floundering and I believe there are also concerns about the future of Medicare. 

Its obviously entirely up to you what you decide what to do - just make sure you’re aware of all the pros and cons of an onshore application. UK doesn’t even offer a parent visa! 

3 hours ago, Col1986 said:

Thanks for this. Do you know anything about the timing of the medical?

 

It’s around 3 years after application. She will have to be self supporting more or less as wouldn’t be able to access any benefits and her UK pension will be frozen as it was at the date she leaves UK and will not be eligible for the Australian pension which is means tested.  Reciprocal health care is available but not Aged care. That wouldn’t be available either at home or in care home as a benefit and would have to be paid for privately. You do need deep pockets on the non Contributory visa because you’re only classed as a temporary resident so not a lot of pensioner concessions are available. Should her health deteriorate badly so that the costs to govt become expensive (over $51000) there have been a few cases where they have been asked to leave. Also govt do not like 804 and there have been attempts previously to stop this visa. Because the wait for the contributory has ballooned out a lot of applicants are changing to 804 putting more pressure on govt finances so it’s something the new govt  will probably be looking at. 

@Alan Collett I’ve just sent you PM. 
 

1 hour ago, Alan Collett said:

The other issue to be managed is the risk of the property being sold to meet the claims of creditors in the unwelcome event of the child getting into difficulty financially ...

Legal advice is best taken if this is being contemplated.

Best regards.

Thanks Alan, always grateful for your advice ! 

3 hours ago, Alan Collett said:

https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/alans-update-on-contributory-parent-visa-processing/

Might be of interest to some on this thread ...

Best regards.

Thank you Alan. Hopefully there will be a further increase in the upcoming October budget. I note you think the non CP visa allocation (103 & 804) will drop to 500. Obviously it doesn’t really matter for 804 as people know they are not likely to ever get their grant owing to the current long wait but it’s likely that even more aged parents will take this route in future given that it’s so much cheaper and they can wait onshore  so it’s going to mean a lack of revenue for the govt and surely can’t be sustainable. I hope it doesn’t mean increasing the VAC for CPV applications. I know at present the second VAC is locked in at the price at the time of application. Do you foresee any change in this ? 

On 23/06/2022 at 13:22, AnthonyKeen_1971 said:

Hey there,

After our visit to the AAT, our appeal for the medical visa was denied, and we knew it would be but the member was very helpful and personally took the case to the minister for his intervention. We then engaged George Lombard (now PlayFair - George Lombard - Playfair Visa & Migration Services) to represent their appeal to the minister. They are currently on a bridging visa and renewing it every 3 months until we have a resolution.

Being from the UK, they have access to reciprocal medicare, my dad has a great team of support, Doctors and so on.

My dad is now too ill to fly ever again so, he will be remaining in Australia for the rest of his life. I hope we do get a pathway to a visa of some kind but now, they are living their lives, comfortable, and enjoying the best of Aussie healthcare with his medical team.

My mum is quite a bit younger and will have access to a parent visa when the time comes as I am her only child.

Thanks for asking how things are I hope it works out for you too.

Anthony

It’s condition of 870 visa that they have to pass a medical so I don’t think they would be able to get that visa unfortunately. 

2 minutes ago, Juliet7 said:

It does seem to be moving quite fast and I’ve freed up a space.  My application was August 2016 and I’ve been asked for further details.  However, after much soul searching we’ve decided that during those six years of waiting we’ve aged enough for it to be too much of an ordeal to now up sticks.  The ‘children’ have their own busy lives and circumstances have changed somewhat since the initial application. It’s a shame not to have been able to spend more time seeing the grandchildren grow but we’ve adapted and accepted.

I hope my withdrawal will help someone achieve their visa a little quicker and I wish you all well.

Thank you for letting us all know. That must have been a hard decision and yet perhaps something we all may face given the length of time spent waiting and the changes in both our own and our families lives and health. It takes courage to walk away and I wish you well for the future. 

1 hour ago, Ken said:

Actually the issue isn't whether or not the lease is to a member of your family but whether or not the rental income is at an arms length price. Usually that means paying an independent valuer to assess the rent if it's let to a family member.

Wouldn’t that give rise to a capital gains tax problem when they come to sell further down the line eg parents die, owner needs money, divorces  etc?

4 hours ago, Summer83 said:

Hello, as with the requirement for being a settled sponsor, is the 2 years a pre-requisite condition or is there anyway that we could demonstrate sponsor meeting this whilst still within the 2 years. Appreciate your and anyone help.  

No you need to be “settled”  just as you need to meet balance of family. Without that you’re not eligible.  

On 23/07/2022 at 05:20, Marisawright said:

It's important not to be misled by the figures on the Immigration website.   The figure there is for visas they are CURRENTLY finalising, i.e. people who applied 4, 5 or 6 years ago.   Since then, there has been a massive blowout in the number of applications, so anyone applying today will have a much longer wait time.

Another thing to be aware of:  there was a period where 864 visas were getting processed faster than 143 visas, which was never intended. 864 visa applications from 2017 onwards are on hold until the 143 applications catch up. 

Here is a calculator which you can use:

https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator

Here's a long thread where parent visas are being discussed:

https://www.pomsinoz.com/topic/50481-the-brand-new-pio-parents-visa-thread/?page=948

@Little Dragon I trust you have now seen that there’s an estimated wait in excess of 18 years for grant of new applications so it’s possible your parents may never become permanent residents and spend all their life on temporary bridging visas with no Medicare. . Private health insurance will be needed which is expensive as people age /make claims etc. they will always need to apply for BVB in order to leave and return to the country every time even for a holiday or to go back to sort out their affairs.  Just something else to consider 

Has it changed? I was under the impression you were only given 28 days in which to pay??

On 05/07/2022 at 12:42, Lady Jane said:

You get 70 days to pay 2nd payment from the date immi request it.  I think they will expect you to have the money to pay, they tell you the cost when you apply. 

2 hours ago, Anks said:

Hi All, 

I applied for my Mum's 143 in July 2017 and according to the numbers from the spreadsheet I reckon we will still be waiting till 2024 for it to be processed to the next stage.

Just wondering If I can swap the 143 application to a 864 application (provided there is no 8503 on her 600 grant notification) and if so will there be any consequences on her timeline? Will her file get a new queue date?

Any help is appreciated.

You will have to withdraw 143 and reapply for 864. You  will lose your original application fee which will not be refunded. More importantly you will lose your queue date and start again with a new queue date. All applications for 864 after January 2017 have been put on hold until 143 reaches the same date as 864 were wrongly  being processed earlier than 143. 
New  applications  with current quotas are likely to take around 18 plus years. The quotas are going up 4500 to 6000 ( but no details yet about the split  between contributory and non contributory) and the new govt could increase them even more as they’ve said they’re looking into the parent  backlog. Not sure how you get 2024 - you can get a better idea here  https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/

If you go ahead with 864 you will probably need to pay private health insurance which is expensive and increases every year. No help is given on any form of aged care and no entitlements to any benefits. 
You could apply for 870 whilst on 143 and stay for 3 or 5 years whilst maintaining your original queue date. It’s expensive living on 864 whilst waiting for grant. 

5 hours ago, Adam111 said:

Gee the rug has been pulled in just a few short years.

So we now have over 120k application for the contributory visa in queue and at current rates of ~6k approvals per year the wait for anyone new applying is 20 years+ based on current numbers. So in 10 years it's gone from 1 year processing to 20 years. 

Where does it say 120 k for contributory visas? Any lists I’ve seen in the recent past would imply that 120k is actually the combination of both contributory AND non contributory visas. Quite a lot of those visas are also aged parent visas for those over 67 - and they are allowed to wait onshore whilst waiting for their grant,  and if from one of 11 countries they will get reciprocal health care in Australia,  so it’s likely the applications for these visas are really blowing out now as people are changing to them because of the wait times . 

However yes the wait is very long and the visas  should be halted temporarily whilst the new govt decides what to do. They have stated that they are looking at the wait  times for all visas including the parent backlog. They have an awful of of work to do as they’ve only just been elected. Give them a chance to see what they suggest 

According to centrelink 804 cannot enrol in Medicare   but if from one of 11 countries they can receive reciprocal health care which covers “essential “ medical needs only  

8 hours ago, Dylan2007 said:

10 years from now?

or from March 2018 when we applied?

Well I applied June 2017 so 5 years ago and expect to have to wait  another 5 years