LindaH27

On 29/04/2023 at 04:40, InnerVoice said:

Hi Chris. You could wait until you're back in the UK so technically you are resident again, then ask your mum to add you then?

Don’t you have to be in UK for at least 3 months to be considered as resident ? 
I'm also not sure that a UK  licence is valid as I think you actually have to be classed as resident to use it - worth checking out as if there was an accident you might not be assessed as having a valid licence and eould cause problems with insurance 

2 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:

Yes, you're right - I added in the total column so double counted: should be 8,895.

Good spot!   Thanks Linda!

Best regards.

Phew - you made my heart jump a bit when I first read it !!

5 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:

Yes, I'm expecting a surge in new parent visa applications.

This is what happened a few years ago when a VAC increase was the concern of the day - look at the number of applications in May 2017 and June 2017: 17,790 CP visa applications in those two months alone.

Onwards!

Were there really 17,790 applications - I thought it was 9000 ? 

4 hours ago, Steve Elliott said:

At the end of the day, what was presented by the minister yesterday was vey high level and short on detail. The legislation is still some way off, so little point at this stage jumping at shadows! - Generally, the proposed reforms are being well received but many groups out of self interest are whinging and whining. The harsh reality is that the reform is about both fixing a broken system, overhauling it so it is better positioned to address skills shortages. What was reassuring was the minister recognises processing times have been unnecessarily long and they will be attempting to fix that with suggestions, some visa applications will be decided within days as opposed to months and years. Stay tuned!

So parents waiting in excess of 6 years are “whinging and whining?”  Australia needs more skilled workers definitely - like a lot of other countries in the world. But when people have been told their parent visa will be granted in 18-24 months of course they are upset when it gets to 6 years and still no end in sight! And a lot of those new skilled workers would like to have their family with them. 

The system definitely needs updating. As already mentioned Australia made a mistake with 804 applicants on bridging visas which could last the rest of their lifetime and which  for many also grants Reciprocal health care which adds to the cost for Australian tax payers. . Unless they provide a quicker solution,  all that report has done by saying parent visas won’t be discussed yet,  is to probably encourage even more to apply for 804 before its possibly abolished so Australia is actually encouraging the one thing they don’t want - thousands more on bridging visas, as people decide they’re fed up waiting and change from 143 to 804 or decide they’re not even going to apply for 143 just go straight for 804. It would be difficult to change it retrospectively - they couldn’t  deport those thousands already onshore  without a huge outcry. 

27 minutes ago, Ollie1234 said:

Super confusing! So if you're living in Australia on an 804 visa, you're technically only a temporary resident, and therefor all your tax affairs are managed in the UK?  Or you can choose where to be taxed under dual taxation agreement? 
 

Yes you’re taxed in UK plus you’re classed as a foreign resident if you purchase property. This means paying $13200 to FIRB for permission to buy then on top of normal stamp duty you pay an extra 7-8% depending on your state. I believe there is also an annual 4% land tax as well. 
 

There could be changes ahead with the release of the latest visa review. Govt consider there are too many people  on “permanent temporary visas” ( bridging visas?) and older parents cost too much so it’s possible some  visas will be revoked/changed  

4 minutes ago, Nemesis said:

Don't understand what you mean by a lottery? They aren't going to pick people at random, they are proposing that instead of a desperately outdated skills list, they try and get people who actually fit into where thee is a skills shortage.

Some parts of the migration system desperately need an overhaul - wait times for parent visas, people on bridging visas for many years, people leaving (or not even arriving in) their sponsoring state for the 190, and many more.

The parent visa was mentioned as perhaps being a lottery 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/reports-and-pubs/files/review-migration-system-final-report.pdf

Read from Page 140 onwards.

Just now, muz068 said:

Initially everyone thought it is a good news. However, when the details of the report came out, it came as a surprise! Replacement of permanent visa model with a lottery it will be quite unfair to the existing applicants who have waited for a bit now

It’s a suggestion not a fact and did say they would have to look at how it would impact  applicants already in the queue. They mentioned the cist# & parents on contributory visas costing a lot but totally neglected to say that the biggest costs were from 804 and some from 864. They were very “ anti” towards what  they referred to as “permanent temporary visas”  though, which could mean bridging visas as a whole. They won’t look properly at the parent visas till later as the current priority is skilled workers. Guess it’s wait and see if any  clues in the budget.

Apprently in the lottery version it will be  whether the sponsor  can afford to look after the applicant and  whether the applicant can self support  so it could lead to only wealthy  being able to apply ?? 

Just in -   keep  your fingers crossed!!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/26/australias-broken-migration-system-leaves-18-million-workers-permanently-temporary-review-finds?utm_term=64499223435e95c1101f31e3f9017355&utm_campaign=MorningMailAUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=morningmailau_email

Any comments/views  @Alan Collett?

1 minute ago, Alan Collett said:

You'd think so, Linda - but while you and I and others on this thread understand parent visas and can quote statistics the vast majority of politicians in the Federal Government appear to have little comprehension of the subject.

Parent visas are not the main game in town.   Skilled visas are commanding the headlines.   The occasional post about parent visas on SBS online isn't going to be on the radar of the incumbent Government.

That said ... let's see what's in the migration review.  

Onwards!

I just wondered because of the review announced last year which is supposed to report soon. When I read it there was mention of parent visas as well so I assumed it would be considered. Anyway let’s wait and see! There have been a few petitions lately about the wait time for expensive contributory visas and a growing sense of unfairness that non contributory onshore visas cost so little and yet allow people to remain for  the rest of their lives whilst waiting 30 years for a grant - especially if they also get reciprocal health care! 

9 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:

602 visas granted to aged parents are usually issued with a 10 year permitted period of stay.

Have you ever heard of a 602 visa holder of senior years being required to leave Australia?

It may be nonsense and make no sense to Australia financially, but until there's a consensus in the Federal Government in both Houses to abolish existing visa options this is what we have.

Of course changes to the Migration Program may be afoot in the next 4 or so weeks.   Whether this includes parent visas or is solely focused on skilled visa outcomes remains to be seen.

Best regards.

No I haven’t seen any posts about parents on 602 having to leave -  just those on 804. 
 

i am aware that the Australian govt ( of whatever  persuasion ) does not like 804 as it isn’t financially viable for the taxpayers given the potential  high costs involved and has tried to stop it once before and/or keep the quotas low. But by allowing bridging visas plus the lengthening wait for PR visas  they’ve ended up with huge numbers transferring to 804 or applying for 804 in the first instance and literally have thousands now on bridging visas. I would guess they may look again at this. 

Also  if parents gift money to children for purchasing  property does this  leads to tax complications for the children when the  house has to eventually be sold? 

6 hours ago, Alan Collett said:

There are some bleak and somewhat inaccurate comments in the above.

For example, if the health requirement isn't met a subclass 864 or 804 visa applicant would usually look at a subclass 602 Medical Treatment visa.

Leaving Australia without a BVB isn't necessarily a problem.   One applies for a Visitor visa (the e651 if from the UK) to get back to Australia and applies for the reinstatement of the BVA when back - a BV can only be granted to a person who is physically in Australia.

So maybe all is not lost after all!

Best regards.

 

I always thought the 602 is not a permanent visa and is only until the applicant is well enough to leave? I can’t see home affairs willing to allow someone with an ongoing expensive illness to remain for the rest of their life? That’s is surely why they look at the ongoing costs of a condition when deciding whether the medical has been passed for most visas?

I seem to  remember  a few cases where elderly parents on 804 in nursing homes were threatened with deportation but died during the appeal to remain? . 

16 hours ago, pumpkinpie said:

You’ve all been super helpful, thank you. Seems very complex and un-achievable sadly. 
we’ve loved in Aus 13 yrs and this is the first time they’ve mentioned living in Aus. Seems we are a bit too late,

They aren’t wealthy, so reckon it’s unlikely to happen. Their house is worth about £350k, but other than that no further assets.

 

thank you for your advice.

 

 

Yes you need deep pockets and be self supporting. It’s even very expensive to purchase property if they don’t have PR. They’d be classed as foreign investors and would have to pay $13200 to FIRB for permission just to purchase property. On top of the normal stamp duty each state charges  foreign investors an extra 7-8%! 
 

if they did arrive on a holiday visa then go onto a bridging visa in about 3-4 years they would have a medical just to be put into the queue! Obviously old people have more problems and medicines as they age.  A little known fact is if Medicare feel they are costing more than $51000 in medical help etc they can be asked to leave as it’s a burden on the Australian taxpayer. People on bridging visas are also subject to any changes in Immigration law as well and the govt recently authorised a review into visas and should be reporting back soon.sadly not an easy decision for them - or you. 

14 hours ago, LesleyT said:

I have just received a request for further information and request for AOS. My hands are shaking and I’ll be reading everything at least 4 times! 

So pleased to hear this! Hope all goes well.

4 minutes ago, muz068 said:

https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/productivity/report

 

I think you are correct though:-)

I did see this but believe  this to be a regular 5 year report and not the one that was tasked with looking into visa reforms 

2 hours ago, muz068 said:

The productivity commission report released. No mention of parent at all in the report. How are we suppose to take it? @LindaH27 @Alan Collett

Can you give the link to the report ? As far as I’m aware it was a report into the future of immigration and visas rather than productivity 

7 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

My 143 application was February 2017.  In November 2022 I was asked for documents such as medicals, police certificates and proof of my sons dependancy. AOS was also requested.  Everything submitted in December.  No issues, everything as clear as it could be.  I am still waiting for request for 2nd Vac.  I follow a few Facebook groups for parent visas and many have got their visas granted that applied for their visas after me.  Only yesterday there was one that applied a month after me and submitted everything two months after I did and they got the 2nd Vac request.  There are also some that submitted their applications before me that are still waiting.  It is definitely not being done in strict lodgement date order.  This should be highlighted to the relevant body. 

Exactly my point ! According to Hone Affairs it’s date order but we all know from social media it’s all over the place! 
I’m so sorry you supplied everything and still waiting. I guess the quota has been reached for  this year - but it almost looks like the quota will be met very quickly after July if all these people are still waiting. Which then means months again of nothing happening ! You mentioned your sons  dependency  - did you hit the rule that says over 23 are  not eligible for applications after November 2016?  

13 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

Does that rule actually exist?   For other visas, it certainly doesn't.  For other visas, the way it works is that if they pick up an application and it isn't straightforward, it gets set aside and they move on to the next straightforward one.  

From home affairs website 

1 minute ago, LesleyT said:

I’m late April 2017 and I’ve not heard anything yet. Fingers and toes crossed! 

There really doesn’t  seem to be much adherence to the “dealt with in strict date order” rule. There’s people still waiting from end 2016 and people being asked for further docs from May 2017! I don’t know how it works anymore. 

10 minutes ago, Manrug said:

To everyone on this parent visa thread who are waiting for your visa. I wish to thank all those people before me for sharing their experience which has been invaluable to us. I now wish to contribute our experience so it my help someone else.  We applied in January 2017- you can see the exact dates on my signature, which seems a long time ago. At times it seemed disheartening as the wait kept on increasing from the original 18-24 months, 6 years followed by covid and now 12 years! With the increase in parent visa numbers last year there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

We had resigned to the fact that the limit for visas for this year had been reached and we may be contacted after 1st July 23. To my surprise I received the the request for the  2nd VAC this morning.

From my experience, once the Case Officer requests the information, they picked up our file again after 30/35 days to check that we have sent the information requested. Depending on which Officer picks up the file again - in our case we were requested further information 2nd time ie Australian Police Check, first for myself and then a month later for my wife. Thus the application got delayed by around 5/6 weeks.

It has taken us 6 years and 6 weeks approx. to get to the stage of the 2nd VAC.

Finally I would like to say everyone else who are waiting: at our age, each day is precious and get on with enjoying what we have and surely your turn will come very soon.

 

 

I’m so pleased to hear all eventually went well! It does seem as though the quota for this year has been reached as there’s been quite a few on social media who are still waiting for 2nd vac. Confusingly some May 2017 applicants have been asked for further docs so can only assume they are working to do a quick release once July arrives with the new quota. 
 

I wish you well in your new life!  Just wondering how long it will take for  my late June 2017 application given the huge numbers in May and June 2017

I had hoped the findings from the review into  migration would have been published by now - it was supposed to report in February! 

1 minute ago, Sheila2010 said:

What taxes are there on buying a property, please?

Depends if you’re on a temporary visa like 870 or on a bridging visa for 804/864. If on one of those you have to apply for permission to buy from FIRB as you’re classed as foreign investor. Will cost $13,200  upwards depending on price of property. There is the usual stamp duty but there’s also added stamp duty which is state dependant on top as well. Eg in NSW it’s an extra 7% stamp on top of normal stamp duty. I believe it has to be sold if you leave Australia as well. 

1 minute ago, youngfreewild said:

My MIL applied for 143 visa in 2017. Likely her visa will be granted within the next year. We have waited a long time, however as she will be 67 next year (Australian retirement age), I am wondering if we should look into other visa options 804/864, to avoid having to pay the $50k visa fee. 

My MIL has both her children living in Australia, is unlikely to want to work when she gets here, and unlikely to ever want to travel outside of Australia again. 

Any advice on if this should be an option to consider, any other considerations? My understanding is we would obviously need to withdraw the 143 application, she would come out to Australia once she turns 67 on a visitor visa, apply on-shore for the 864 visa, then get a bridging visa which allows her to stay indefinitely until her 864 is granted (which will be 30+ years!?) 

Thanks

864 is same wait  time as 143 and costs the same. I’m assuming you mean 804! In my opinion it’s a mistake. 804 gets a bridging visa for 30 years.  But you have  to be fully self supporting. Only reciprocal health care    if from one of 11 countries  Medicare is struggling  and GPS are moving away from bulk  billing and charging for everything. There’s   extra taxes if you wish to buy property and most importantly 804 as a temporary visa is subject to any  changes in immigration rules and AOS. There’s also no entitlement to any benefit including Australian pension  so you’d need deep pockets. It seems silly when you could potentially get the 143 grant in a year or so -  what  you could potentially spend on other things could possibly equal what you pay in 143! 

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1 hour ago, muz068 said:

Hey,

Sorry, I should have been more clear.  I know there is no official announcement yet but based on historical data it has always been split of 80-20. @Alan Collett can shed more light on this

I’m using the figure suggested by Alan.   Also see his post on non contributory visas 

2 hours ago, muz068 said:

Sorry but I think the number should be 7000 ( 80% of 8500) 

There is as yet no “official” split of 8500 visa between contributory and non contributory - nothing has  been announced yet unless you can supply a  link to the relevant home affairs page? . The amount used  was suggested by an agent. 

It’s possible they could  actually reduce the non contributory quota as govt do not like 804 and have tried to get rid of it in the past. It’s still going to take in excess of 30 years to get a non contributory visa and by giving more contributory visas Australia gets a lot more money to offset the costs of Medicare. 
 

3 hours ago, Anks said:

Subclass 600 - if you get the 3 years validity visa will give you a maximum of 12 months stay in 18 months period, which means they will have to go out of Australia within 12 months and stay outside for 6 months before entering again.
Other option is Subclass 870 which has an option of either 3 years or 5 years. A bit expensive but if you think it in a way, they won't need to travel back for that entire period then it's a good option. It is a 2-step process, and all details can be found here - (Subclass 870) Sponsored Parent (Temporary) visa (homeaffairs.gov.au).

Also, as you mentioned you have applied for 143 in Sept 2018, its highly unlikely and based on a calculator floating around (I can't find the link but if you read previous posts, you might find it) you won't hear back from Immi for the next 5 years. So, based on your situation, decide accordingly what suits you better.

Good luck!

The  calculator actually says around 3 years not 5!

13 hours ago, thinh7tn said:

Hi guys, thank you all so much for your advice. 

No she wasn't here on 24 March 2021 unfortunately. She only arrived last October 2022 on visitor visa so unfortunately she will have to exit for a few days then if there's no other way to get her to stay when her 143 is granted

Unfortunately unless the govt increase the quota it’s unlikely that she will get her visa for quite some time yet! There were  9000 applications in May and June 2017 
Have a look at this https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/?visa_month=6&visa_year=2017&expect_annually=7500&dataset=2023-01-11#calculator