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...and why kill the goose that lays the golden egg

 

Exactly.


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Dear Captain C working on RAVs is a must to get Australian citizenship after 4years. If you didn't work for an Australian company and you were not beneficial for Australian government they won't accept you as a citizen. This is the case for all immigrants. It is also mentioned in my assessment letter sent by AMSA.

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Dear Captain C working on RAVs is a must to get Australian citizenship after 4years. If you didn't work for an Australian company and you were not beneficial for Australian government they won't accept you as a citizen. This is the case for all immigrants. It is also mentioned in my assessment letter sent by AMSA.

 

Never heard that before. Are you sure? Can you forward the letter on?


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My brother moved to Aystralia 9 years ago. After 4years of his staying his citizenship case assessed by court. Major point to achieve citizenship was working in australia for 4years and paying taxes... he is not a mariner he also applied for skilled independent PR. In our case we have to work on RAVs to be a benefit for Australian government otherwise what is the point for them to let us in with skilled visa? Or maybe they love foreign mariners!!??

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My brother moved to Aystralia 9 years ago. After 4years of his staying his citizenship case assessed by court. Major point to achieve citizenship was working in australia for 4years and paying taxes... he is not a mariner he also applied for skilled independent PR. In our case we have to work on RAVs to be a benefit for Australian government otherwise what is the point for them to let us in with skilled visa? Or maybe they love foreign mariners!!??

 

I don't quite know what your point is?

You must pay tax to the Australian government if you are a resident regardless of whether you work overseas. Working on a RAV has nothing to do with it.

Your letter from AMSA must be different to mine, so what does yours say?


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My assessment letter just mentioned that I need to do Oral exam and Medicals. My exam will be on 15th Sep. In Brisbane. I just wrote an email to AMSA and asking for clarification in this regard.

As you are from UK that maybe different case. I really don't know. I will let you know when I get reply from AMSA.

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My assessment letter just mentioned that I need to do Oral exam and Medicals. My exam will be on 15th Sep. In Brisbane. I just wrote an email to AMSA and asking for clarification in this regard.

As you are from UK that maybe different case. I really don't know. I will let you know when I get reply from AMSA.

 

There is no difference between where people come from. Everything is equal in this regard.


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Hi RMN,If you are resident in OZ and are working for a overseas Company your time overseas is still counted towards your Citizenship days as long as you are paying Taxes in Australia on you foreign,if you don't then the time is not counted.In Australia you can work any kind of job ,there are no conditions attached to a 189 visa.

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My brother moved to Aystralia 9 years ago. After 4years of his staying his citizenship case assessed by court. Major point to achieve citizenship was working in australia for 4years and paying taxes... he is not a mariner he also applied for skilled independent PR. In our case we have to work on RAVs to be a benefit for Australian government otherwise what is the point for them to let us in with skilled visa? Or maybe they love foreign mariners!!??

 

I think you have gotten several situations confused. Many of your posts contain incorrect or irrelevant information, perhaps gained through hearsay. Firstly, the Special Residence Requirement is the caveat that allows you to claim citizenship whilst living IN Australia but working onboard a ship that is operating outside Australia on international voyages, that vessel does not need to be Regulated Australian Vessel. However, you still need to have been resident inside Australia for 16 of the last 48 months and 4 of the last 12 months.

Further to your earlier claims that you need to work onboard an RAV, well that also isn't necessary, you can work onboard foreign 'imported' vessels plying the coast or associated shore side occupations.

My belief is that the occupation remains on the SOL because of the requirement for specialist seafarers in certain circumstances, such as highly experienced DPO's for drill or dive support ships, or Masters for specialist vessels which may be here short term (in respect of temporary visas) and also for certain shore side jobs which may wish to recruit from a wider pool of exceptionally experienced talent.

If you just have deep sea experience and a Masters/Mates ticket, then it is much harder to find work (not impossible), because you don't have any special skills that are desirable.

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Dear CaptainR, Thanks for your reply. Still it is not understandable why Australia is granting visa to mariners (officers/masters/engineers) they could have simply grant the visa to DPOs or any skills which are in demand. I got the reply from AMSA and they couldn't help I need to ask Immigration office in this regard. I beleave immigration rules have been change alot recently and we have to seek the updated information.

Anyways does any one knows crewing agancy within australia? I need to have a feedback from them regarding job vacancies.

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Dear CaptainR, Thanks for your reply. Still it is not understandable why Australia is granting visa to mariners (officers/masters/engineers) they could have simply grant the visa to DPOs or any skills which are in demand. I got the reply from AMSA and they couldn't help I need to ask Immigration office in this regard. I beleave immigration rules have been change alot recently and we have to seek the updated information.

Anyways does any one knows crewing agancy within australia? I need to have a feedback from them regarding job vacancies.

 

I can assure you that CaptainR has given the most up to date information and is highly unlikely that it will ever be changed. Believe it or not, they actually want people to become citizens.

I keep on top of any immigration rules changes and there hasn't been any that affect mariners, so where are you getting this scanty information from?

You said one of your first posts that AMSA wrote in the letter that you needed to work on RAV's to gain citizenship, then you said it wasn't in the letter and you'd heard this from AMSA, now you're saying that AMSA can't help and you need to ask immigration. So, what's the truth?

If you write a question it will be answered, if you write poorly worded information gained from hearsay and you still get a sensible well informed response from an experienced person, and then rubbish it because you know better, like you seem to be doing, you are likely to be ignored forever more.

Let's get this out of the way first and then maybe people will start chipping in with employment help.


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Dear CaptainR, Thanks for your reply. Still it is not understandable why Australia is granting visa to mariners (officers/masters/engineers) they could have simply grant the visa to DPOs or any skills which are in demand. I got the reply from AMSA and they couldn't help I need to ask Immigration office in this regard. I beleave immigration rules have been change alot recently and we have to seek the updated information.

Anyways does any one knows crewing agancy within australia? I need to have a feedback from them regarding job vacancies.

 

Well I can be frank with you, I have my ear to the ground here and have friends with Masters ticket and DP Basic looking for work as a 3/O here and not even getting a bite. I have a DP Unlimited and a Masters ticket and I'm in work and have had a few job offers recently. So as I said, the word is there, but not always.

The industry is going through a downturn, and the process of adding and removing jobs to the SOL is something that doesn't happen instantly. Just last year my company was taking experienced Masters and Officers with DP Unlimited and the relevant experience on 489 visas because they were struggling to man the ships with experienced personnel (plenty of bog standard deep sea experienced people). I also have friends with the main companies doing coastal bulkers and ferries, they also have a surplus of staff.

Seafarers on the SOL also form part of the requirement for marine pilots for which there was a shortage, and perhaps still is a shortage of 'very experienced' personnel, but I know that every pilotage job that advertises at the moment receives an incredible amount of CV's.

 

Things aren't also roses in the seafaring sector here, but will pick up again eventually. If you have the right experience here, you will find work (i.e. offshore).

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As for agencies, the biggest are Programmed, Skilled, AOS and ASP. If you are not in the country and not ready to work, I would be highly surprised if you even receive a reply.

 

As for your earlier question about the AMSA CoC, why is it a requirement? Well for the immigration process it is a sure way of checking the standard and quality of those people coming into the country, if they can meet the standard of an AMSA CoC amongst other things, they must be pretty committed and be up to a standard that is desirable in Australia. Why employers as for an AMSA CoC? I've no idea, because its generally not needed.

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Dear CaptainR, you answered all questions in my mind and I really appreciate your kindness. The reason that I'm here is to investigate the real situation before moving and prepare myself for the worst one.

 

Dear CaptainC, thanks for the reply again. FYI I am searching lots of things in lots of sites including IMMI, AMSA..etc. I don't really remember which one was saying the requirement of working on RAVs but one thing that I am sure of is that the basis of skilled independent PR is to provide qualification and work experience relevant to it and also to work in that field after moving to australia so you can't work in Mcs or Starbucks as you mentioned before. Ofcourse you can have your PR in that situation but for getting citizenship you will be in trouble.

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.......but one thing that I am sure of is that the basis of skilled independent PR is to provide qualification and work experience relevant to it and also to work in that field after moving to australia so you can't work in Mcs or Starbucks as you mentioned before. Ofcourse you can have your PR in that situation but for getting citizenship you will be in trouble......

 

Absolute nonsense. I have no idea where you're getting this information but you're very mistaken.


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Thank you again for your polite reply for the second time.

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Dear CaptainR, you answered all questions in my mind and I really appreciate your kindness. The reason that I'm here is to investigate the real situation before moving and prepare myself for the worst one.

 

Dear CaptainC, thanks for the reply again. FYI I am searching lots of things in lots of sites including IMMI, AMSA..etc. I don't really remember which one was saying the requirement of working on RAVs but one thing that I am sure of is that the basis of skilled independent PR is to provide qualification and work experience relevant to it and also to work in that field after moving to australia so you can't work in Mcs or Starbucks as you mentioned before. Ofcourse you can have your PR in that situation but for getting citizenship you will be in trouble.

 

No, believe it or not, with a Skilled Independent visa you can do whatever you like once in Australia, even work in a completely unrelated field. The citizenship is based on having PR, residency, police check and citizenship exam; nothing whatsoever to do with your actual work. The only visas with stipulations are those such as the regional sponsored or employer sponsored.

I am often surprised when I take a taxi here in Australia to meet guys from India driving them who after a little probing it turns out arrived on Skilled Independent visas with backgrounds in IT or Accountancy, but have chosen to be 'self employed' once in Australia.

However misplaced I think this is, they are free to do that.

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Wow I am also surprised LOL , In Boarder site I found this to be eligible for citizenship. I wonder someone who is seafarer and working abroad how can be eligible, because you should not be out of Australia more than 3 month in a year. Maybe thats why we need to work on RAVs only with Australian flags!

General residence requirement

Permanent residents must:

•have been living in Australia on a valid Australian visa for4years immediately before applying which must include the last 12 months as a permanent resident, and

•not have been absent from Australia for more than one year in the past 4 years, including no more than 90 days in the year before applying.

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Wow I am also surprised LOL , In Boarder site I found this to be eligible for citizenship. I wonder someone who is seafarer and working abroad how can be eligible, because you should not be out of Australia more than 3 month in a year. Maybe thats why we need to work on RAVs only with Australian flags!

General residence requirement

Permanent residents must:

•have been living in Australia on a valid Australian visa for4years immediately before applying which must include the last 12 months as a permanent resident, and

•not have been absent from Australia for more than one year in the past 4 years, including no more than 90 days in the year before applying.

 

Once again..... You DO NOT need to work on RAV's or any Australian Flag ships. If you wish to work at sea you may work on any ship, worldwide. To receive a reduction in the residence requirements that you have posted above, look at the 'special' residence requirements. CaptR pointed this out in his earlier post.

 

See > https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Citi/Appl/What-documents-do-you-need/variation-to-the-residence-requirement

Edited by CaptainC

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@RMN you have stated several times about the need to work on RAV's.

Is this is true then it will seriously affect any future applicants, and will be a scary prospect.

So, can I please just ask where you have got this information from? If it is true, then it would be very helpful if you could quote your source. If it is a credible source and not formed from hearsay then I will gladly take back everything I have said.


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The penny is dropped LOL That is a good news. Thanks CaptainC.

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The penny is dropped LOL That is a good news. Thanks CaptainC.

 

At last!


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The penny is dropped LOL That is a good news. Thanks CaptainC.

 

Now that's over with, how are you getting on with your studies?

I have a Dropbox where there are several past papers and study materials for you to use.

Here is the link > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/grpoeyxt4zz59ds/AADHbSoNuTBOUpNIIj-dRmQwa?dl=0

 

Please see the Read Me First first, before using any of the materials


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I have consulted your good materials and Oral questions and it helped me a lot, it is very nice of you for mentioning them. I have Master certificate of competency but never sailed as Master before. It would be my honor to receive last advice on Master oral exam from you.

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