Electricians In Australia

[simon and deb]

Cheers Pal

 

I ve just looked into the visa and i can still get the working holiday at 30 but not 31.

i have the Mrs here and we have a 1 year old daughter and another on the way so i cant just bugger off out there.

 

I will keep you guys posted. Can anyone give me any ideas on what to send in evidence wise for the ARTC. do you think its wise or stupid to send my VETS/OSTR cert to show i have passed VETS practical test.

 

Im an Installation spark currently working on a power station in the midlands as a maintenance elec. Normally i would be installing but there seems to be nothing around thats worth bothering with money wise, so i parked up here hoping to ride the down turn out as this is local to home and the job pays blue book money around £15 an hour.

 

At the minute im looking after Allen Bradley PLC,S, input and ouput cards, plant equiptment such as Limit switches,D.O.L motors, isolators, Rotork Actuators, contactors, overloads etc. the most i can prove really is general replacing of motors and SWA cable thats damaged or burnt on these plant machines i work on amongst the stuff i,ve listed previous.

 

My role is limited to a specific area of plant which the company i work for specialise in.

strictly permitted to look after the control panels and plant linked to the control panel and PLCs. nothing more nothing less.

 

I can provide pictures and evidence of what im doing such as permits for work, job cards references but im worried this wont be enough to satisfy the assesor that im a the installation type and not the maintenance type......not that i have anything against maintenance sparks but i wanna make sure i end up with the right license.

So what im trying to say is that im worried the evidence i provide wont be satisfactory for the job i say i do.

 

any thoughts chaps? can i ask what you lads sent to get your ARTC?:chatterbox:

i know there is a lot of jobs on seek.com.au looking for sparks with alan bradley exp some willing to sponsor , i know when i spoke to peer kate told me not to mention vetassess to the tra apparently they dont like each other

[CROWDED HOUSE]

i know there is a lot of jobs on seek.com.au looking for sparks with alan bradley exp some willing to sponsor , i know when i spoke to peer kate told me not to mention vetassess to the tra apparently they dont like each other

 

Thanks Simon

 

Im not brilliant myself mate. Its one of these jobs that i jumped into. i ve just learnt as i ve gone along. as i say mate. i ve always been in the industrial game and had a few years house bashing but im installation reallly not maintenance. This is what im worried about with regards to giving evidence.

[simon and deb]

Thanks Simon

 

Im not brilliant myself mate. Its one of these jobs that i jumped into. i ve just learnt as i ve gone along. as i say mate. i ve always been in the industrial game and had a few years house bashing but im installation reallly not maintenance. This is what im worried about with regards to giving evidence.

cant quite remember through my carling soaked grey cells what i sent but im sure when you have a think about all the diffferent jobs you have worked on you'll be alright i think i had to write a personal statement about what i did on a daily basis (**** me that was difficult) AVERAGE DAY whats an average day, be a bit creative

:cool:

[Guest rey68]

the change is with the way the OCBA in adelaide issue licenses. the peer course is still running, i was there last month sitting my exam while in oz on validation trip.

we asked at peer what would be happening with regards to people coming over who have done vetassess. they said that there wouldnt be any point enrolling as the ocba had come up with a different format for them.

i emailed ocba when i got back and they said that the criteria for people with vetassess would be to apply for restricted license then work under supervision until you had done the relevant gap training.

i think that they wanted a way to bring it more in line with the rest of oz.

 

however i do think there may still a way round it.

one of the lads there with me was an electrician from the uk who went on his wifes visa. so he applied for an artc from tra when he was in oz. he did the peer course and got his license same as me.

so what would be to stop anyone else applying for an artc from the tra in addition to the vetassess certificate? then the peer route might still be an option.

 

lee.

hi lee, I agree with you that the easiest thing to do a reg course in PEER and I am going to do it

as distant learning. Can you give me idea what are the contents of their practical exam? Is there any installation wirings? As I am just electrical fitter?

[Guest chris_mac]

There is no quick way to get a licence. Any state you have to pay fee,s, do courses etc. Personally I used a private training company in Brisbane, distance learning and got my licence within 3 months. I would suggest that this was pretty quick. If people have done it quicker tell us about it! When? As things change every day! Where and how? What exams? To many people assume and guess and listen to the hype on here. If you want to know the co I used pm me. The peer route may have been an option some time ago but not now I beleive!

Chris

[Guest rey68]

There is no quick way to get a licence. Any state you have to pay fee,s, do courses etc. Personally I used a private training company in Brisbane, distance learning and got my licence within 3 months. I would suggest that this was pretty quick. If people have done it quicker tell us about it! When? As things change every day! Where and how? What exams? To many people assume and guess and listen to the hype on here. If you want to know the co I used pm me. The peer route may have been an option some time ago but not now I beleive!

Chris

hi chris,

I am interested on what you have said! Can you share it with me? I am here in queensland. What sort of license have you got?

[Guest naths28]

How to change from a 457 defacto visa to my own 457 visa?

Hi,

My names Nathan and i thought id try the electricians thread being an electrician myself..

Im after abit of advice and help regarding changing visa

 

At the moment im on my partners 457 defacto visa but need to change to my own 457 visa.

 

We have been in sydney since august 2008,im a 31 year old uk qualified electrician of 10 years and im in the process of transfering my qualifications to oz standards but this wont be for the next 6 months.

We came out here on my partners 457 visa.( im defacto)

I dont want to go into details but my partner is moving back to the uk...

 

Im working for a local electrical firm on the northern beaches as an "electrical trade assistant".

My employer is more than happy to sponsor me,but doesnt know any of the process involved in doing so.

Hes asked me to do all the leg work in finding out whats involved.

 

So......if possible im after any advice,help,support,in helping me and my employer sort this out as soon as possible..

 

Is it best to get an agent involved?,and if so does anyone know of a good one who could help me in sydney?

Has anyone on here done this before?and how long does it normally take?

 

Thanks alot for reading my post,sorry if ive gone on abit..

 

hope you can help with my questions,

thanks

nathan

[bazness]

Hi Crowded House

 

I am a UK installation electrician and moving out to Melbourne area in June. I completed the VETASSESS assessment for our visa application in october 2008. We recieved our permanent resisdency visa in may 2009. I have also applied and been granted an ARTC as an electrical mechanic. Prior to this I rang Peerand was told that I could still apply even if I had VETASSESS. I then telephoned the TRA regarding the ARTC assessment and they said it made no difference, though you needed evidence of your permanent resisdency visa in your passport. We travelled out to Melbourne for a holiday in february 2010 to activate our visa and had to go to the immigration office to obtain a sticker as evidence in the passport. I filled my ARTC application in stating my UK address and not stating an Australian address as we do not have one yet. I did not mention the VETASSESS in the application though. The application was paid for and sent the first week in March 2010 and granted two weeks later. As for the PEER exam as I have enroled and they are sending the workbook out and can c0omplete the wiring regulations exam in Adelaide when I feel ready. Will probably try do this in June when we arrive.

As for the evidence, I included certified copies of all of my trade certificates, birth certificate, passport (with visa sticker also), JIB grading card, work references (stating what types of work you have been involved with and tools that you have used). As for the write up page, the TRA told me that you have to be able to prove that you have served an electrical apprenticeship. I wrote about 7 A4 pages (typed) starting from my first day as apprentice. I went through each year trying to remember some of the jobs that I had been involved with and stated what types of tools and equipment I used to carry them out and also what types of installations I had worked on (ie. domestic, commercial and industrial) I went on to say that once I had completed my apprenticeship I was working alone to complete tasks set out by my employer and successfully completed the city and guilds 2391: inspection and testing allowing me to certify my own work.

I was told to apply for electrical mechanic and not electrical fitter as this is for maintenance sparks whereas electrical mechanic is for installation sparks. It takes a bit of time and effort to do but i'm sure it will be worth it because with the VETASSESS assessment, I believe that you have to complete 12 months supervised employment on 4th year apprentice wages. This is in Victoria anyway, not sure if it differs elsewhere.

The TRA also told me that if you can prove in writing that you have served an apprenticeship in electrical intallations, then you do not have to complete the practical assessment. The only thing is that you can not recieve your certificate in the UK. It will be sent to an Australian address only, so unless you know someone there then they will hold it for you until you arrive. The application cost $300 AUD and the PEER wiring regulations exam cost $930 plus $100 to post the workbook to the UK. Should have the workbook by mid next week.

Anyway, hope this helps you. Good luck!

[CROWDED HOUSE]

Bazness thanks very much. Im just compiling enough evidence together at the moment. did you supply photos of any work you carried out?

[bazness]

Bazness thanks very much. Im just compiling enough evidence together at the moment. did you supply photos of any work you carried out?

 

Was planning on it but never did. Don't think it would be a bad idea to though. Might strengthen your application if you feel you are on the border line.

[Guest Jenks07]

This a brillaiant bit of information, i have passed my paper based assessment and have booked to do my practical assessment on the 18/05/10. Really nervous, but hopefully everything will go ok.

[bazness]

This a brillaiant bit of information, i have passed my paper based assessment and have booked to do my practical assessment on the 18/05/10. Really nervous, but hopefully everything will go ok.

 

Who are you doing your practical assessment with?

[CROWDED HOUSE]

Was planning on it but never did. Don't think it would be a bad idea to though. Might strengthen your application if you feel you are on the border line.

 

 

Bazness.....Did you send and receive your application to the TRA from england? Did you also get your certs and stuff veryified by a solicitor before you sent them?

 

Thanks again :confused:

[bazness]

Bazness.....Did you send and receive your application to the TRA from england? Did you also get your certs and stuff veryified by a solicitor before you sent them?

 

Thanks again :confused:

 

Yes to both. We currently do no have an australian address so the ARTC certificate can not be sent out yet. As for the copies of certificates, birth certificate, passport, passport visa stamp, grading cards etc, they have to be certified copies.

[Guest Robert T]

Hello, every one, I am in the US ( Florida ) and considering a move to Australia .

There is so much information and you never know what is true. I am an electrical contractor here in the US. ( I own my own business and do all my own work )I have been in the trade for over 20 years . I am also 43 yrs old. Is it a good idea for me to look at relocating there. The economy here is shot , and AU seems to be thriving

and from what I read there is a demand for skilled people.

So my first questions are what is the real pay scale for electricians in AU ?

If I need to qualify my skills where do I start , and are there books or educational materials that I can get sent to me to study up ? I know the electrical systems are different from here , but it is really all the same at the basic levels of electricity.

 

Any information would help, Thank you.

[Guest jayesh]

Hello, every one, I am in the US ( Florida ) and considering a move to Australia .

There is so much information and you never know what is true. I am an electrical contractor here in the US. ( I own my own business and do all my own work )I have been in the trade for over 20 years . I am also 43 yrs old. Is it a good idea for me to look at relocating there. The economy here is shot , and AU seems to be thriving

and from what I read there is a demand for skilled people.

So my first questions are what is the real pay scale for electricians in AU ?

If I need to qualify my skills where do I start , and are there books or educational materials that I can get sent to me to study up ? I know the electrical systems are different from here , but it is really all the same at the basic levels of electricity.

 

Any information would help, Thank you.

hi

I am electrician from india. I have passed my Vitasses practical test and i am going to apply for PR. State sponshar 176

Please do suggest which city is most sutable for electrician in terms of jobs and licence.

[Guest CKIRL]

Hello

Go on the relevant websites look at Trades Recognition Australia or ARTC, pay scale for a trades assistant which is what you would be is around $25-$28 Australian Dollars. To work as an electrician you have to have a licence and depending where you go in Aust. its all different. The easiest place to get a licence is South Australia go to OCBSA website for details.

They make it very difficult for an overseas electrician to get a licence.

[CROWDED HOUSE]

hi

I am electrician from india. I have passed my Vitasses practical test and i am going to apply for PR. State sponshar 176

Please do suggest which city is most sutable for electrician in terms of jobs and licence.

 

 

There s 2 different ways to go about it 1 being the vets route which you have to do on arrival a years training and employment experience as a trade assistant. This route anyone from england or India must take. So we all have to do the vets like it or not! Then there's the TRA. Which is a way of getting a licence without having to do the years training on site and at college. If you have the vetassess then you already have a restricted licence. All you Need to do is use this in support to apply for sponsership from any of the states. You need a visa before you can go down the road of TRA. This is a route that I myself is trying for. As I am under 31 I can get a working holiday visa which is a suitable Visa for applying to TRA. However nothings straight forward as you will see from some of the post/questions I have asked on here. Some say this loop hole is coming to an end.

[Guest Robert T]

Thank you that was a great straight forward answer. I appreciate it very much, I have already started to research the vetassess requirments , and will check out the TRA route.

[Guest Meredith]

we have decided to move to oz, my husbands is going to retrain as currently don't have enough points to get out. He wants to train as a electrician in the uk and then get the experience he needs to be able to apply for the visas. I know its all going to take time but if anyone has any advice for my OH would be gratefully received. thanks

[CROWDED HOUSE]

we have decided to move to oz, my husbands is going to retrain as currently don't have enough points to get out. He wants to train as a electrician in the uk and then get the experience he needs to be able to apply for the visas. I know its all going to take time but if anyone has any advice for my OH would be gratefully received. thanks

 

Hi Meredith

 

You husband/partner will need to prove 6 maybe 7 years experience in the trade. When you apply for VETS or TRA it tells you the mn is 6/7 years in the trade before you can apply.

 

When you do apply you will have to throw every bit of evidence in that you can find. references from anyone you have worked for or worked with. If i was your partner i would be looking to train as a TILER?!! There in demand over there and on the list. Electricians are currently out of favour :-(

 

all though fingers crossed this will change soon ;-/ :notworthy:

[Guest Meredith]

thanks for that its a great help much appreciated, ill tell him tiling is the way to go

[CROWDED HOUSE]

Hope i dont put you off?!! Have a look at Vetasses website yourself www.vetassess.com.au

here s a list of stuff i had to send in:

 

Required documents for applying online

 

To apply online, you will need the following information:

 

• Personal details
  
• Details of your general school education
  
• Details of your formal training, including apprenticeships or traineeships
  
• Details of any other training
  
• Details of licences, registration or industry membership
  
• Details and evidence of your employment history
  

Once you’ve applied online, you’ll need to send in the following documents via mail:

 

• Application for trade skills assessment form (PDF - 165 Kb) (completed and signed)
  
• Appropriate trade evidence form (completed and signed)
  
• Identity documents
  
  • 2 recent photographs – passport size, certified and dated
    
  • relevant passport pages – certified copy (passport page must show name, photo and date of birth); a birth certificate should be provided if you do not hold a passport
    
  • change of name evidence (if applicable)
    

   

  [*]Evidence of skills (see list of evidence)

   

  • evidence of training
    
  • evidence of employment
    
  • other items of evidence to support your application
    

   

  [*]Certified English translation of the above documents, compiled by a registered translation service, if originally issued in a language other than English

  [*]Assessment fee

   

Self-employed applicants

 

Self-employed applicants will need to provide evidence of running their own business. Samples of evidence may include:

 

• business registration details
  
• company tax records
  
• invoices with company name
  
• supplier invoices / receipts
  
• business cards, brochures and other stationery
  
• photographs of company signs on office / vehicles etc
  
• reference from company accountant / lawyer
  
• client list.
  

hope this helps

[Guest Meredith]

Hope i dont put you off?!! Have a look at Vetasses website yourself www.vetassess.com.au

here s a list of stuff i had to send in:

 

Required documents for applying online

 

 

To apply online, you will need the following information:

 

• Personal details

• Details of your general school education

• Details of your formal training, including apprenticeships or traineeships

• Details of any other training

• Details of licences, registration or industry membership

• Details and evidence of your employment history

Once you’ve applied online, you’ll need to send in the following documents via mail:

 

• Application for trade skills assessment form (PDF - 165 Kb) (completed and signed)

• Appropriate trade evidence form (completed and signed)

• Identity documents
  • 2 recent photographs – passport size, certified and dated

  • relevant passport pages – certified copy (passport page must show name, photo and date of birth); a birth certificate should be provided if you do not hold a passport

  • change of name evidence (if applicable)

   

  [*]Evidence of skills (see list of evidence)

   

  • evidence of training

  • evidence of employment

  • other items of evidence to support your application

   

  [*]Certified English translation of the above documents, compiled by a registered translation service, if originally issued in a language other than English

  [*]Assessment fee

   

Self-employed applicants

 

 

Self-employed applicants will need to provide evidence of running their own business. Samples of evidence may include:

 

• business registration details

• company tax records

• invoices with company name

• supplier invoices / receipts

• business cards, brochures and other stationery

• photographs of company signs on office / vehicles etc

• reference from company accountant / lawyer

• client list.

hope this helps

 

Thanks for this Crowded House shown my OH and he is asking if this is to be able to go straight in as a licensed Electrian once arrived in OZ or do you still have to do get there license once your out there. Do you know can you go across earlier than the 6/7 and then do there licensed courses once you arrive

[Guest James.S]

Thanks for this Crowded House shown my OH and he is asking if this is to be able to go straight in as a licensed Electrian once arrived in OZ or do you still have to do get there license once your out there. Do you know can you go across earlier than the 6/7 and then do there licensed courses once you arrive

 

Hi Meredith,

 

The Vetessass is purely there for migration assessment... verification that a person is as experianced in a trade as they say they are.. Licensing is a seperate issue and will depend largely what state you are heading to.

 

The Vetassess will help to a basic level of license in some states like NSW but it will be a supervised license, you will not be able to quote for jobs and work for yourself. There are courses to be completed and additional qualifications required to gain a full license... again it depends on what state..

 

All the best,

 

James..

 

:jimlad: