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Hi Everyone,

 

We're currently in Japan, moving to Aus Jan. 2016. The boys will be 13 (HS yr 7) and 10yrs (primary yr 5), Student Visas, with me on a Student Guardian visa. Sorry, have a ream of questions. Here goes

 

1) Originally looked around for a school to match our boy's love for learning (thank you Japanese education!) with like students. Seems the ones that fit that criteria are Private, which I can't afford on top of international student fees, Boys school, which do not attract me for personal reasons, or Select Entry schools, where we seem to have missed the enrolment deadline (if that is the case with international students also?) for the eldest anyway. For eg. Brisbane State High

 

2) Indooroopilly appeals to my eldest, esp. the Aviation program. Even if he doesn't follow through with it, it still leads to other good options. Indooroopilly seems to rank well.

 

Keeping above in mind though, couldn't find anything that really stuck out for our Primary school age child.

 

A friend, who lives in Gold Coast (who's been teaching for yonks, both with me in Tokyo and in GC) says I should consider GC area.

 

3) Miami State High School also has the Aviation Program. Anyone have any opinions on this school? Would it nurture my already academic guy? He is USA GATE registered.

 

4) There appears a large emphasis on living in the catchment area but how can I achieve that if we won't be moving until end Jan 2016? (boys need to do final exams to graduate, however, Japan Dept. of Ed. said they can leave before their end of year, which is March)

 

6) Will there be an issue if our guys go to different schools, Miami and Varsity? Miami State Primary does not offer international enrolment. So, if 13yr old enters Miami State High the only option for primary guy is Varsity Collage (which isn't bad as seen great comments about Varsity) and he is a huge soccer enthusiast. Who makes the decisions on this, EQI or the school? See https://www.eqi.com.au/pdfs/school-profiles/school-profile-handbook.pdf\

 

&) How do High Schoolers get to school? School bus, public bus, bike?

 

Our rental budget is $6-700 and we are quite willing to go wherever we need for the schools. And will move again if necessary.

 

So bottom line is, do we hope a GC school will keep our guys on track for a wonderful lifestyle of spacious house, beaches and outdoor activities OR stay in Brisbane, where the school's ranking is higher? We all love our outdoor sports but also the convenience of local facilities. The boys wouldn't need any ESL/language course as both are fluent in English. Plus I should emphasise that although the boy's education is extremely important to us, we are not the types of parents who push our kids to become something they cannot achieve or not want. We are lucky that they both love learning and really hope to continue on this path.

 

We're coming over for a hol in March and hope to visit the schools to get a feel for them but I'm worried about the catchment and separate schools thing. I'm fairly familiar with Gold Coast area as mum lived in Runaway Bay. She was very nervous about the boys going to school there; drugs, violence etc. I feel it's pretty much the same anywhere in the world, always these kinds of problems. Except Japan :-)

 

Any advice or thoughts welcomed!!

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Personally,I would stay away from the Gold Coast. There has been an influx of people in recent years from the western suburbs of Sydney and from New Zealand, all looking for cheaper housing. Just judging from the news reports, it does seem to be crime central these days. University options are also more limited there. Brisbane has University of Queensland, Queensland University of Technology, Griffith University and the Catholic University (although that is limited to faculties such as education and nursing.)

 

Brisbane State High, where I went, is very difficult to get into unless you live in the catchment. When I went there, South Brisbane was a working class suburb. Now it's very expensive, and real estate there is heavily marketed towards Chinese buyers who are keen on living in the State High catchment. There are only two feeder schools - West End and Holland Park primaries (I think.)

 

For a budget of $700 a week, you could get a three bedroom apartment in the BSHS catchment. Strongly doubt you would get a "spacious house". The schools also want proof of residence - rental contracts etc etc.

 

State High is set to be a VERY big school. Projected enrollment of 3,000. It is the only selective high school in the state.

 

There are other good high schools on the northern side - Kedron, Wavell Heights, Kelvin Grove State College. Don't know anything much about western or southern suburbs.

 

The catchment areas for all primary and state high schools are on the Dept of Education websites. ALL the good schools are now very fussy about their catchments.

 

Generally, the reputation of the schools tracks closely with median house prices. You can find these on realestate.com.au

 

 

Indooropilly State High, I think (fairly sure) is the only public high school to offer the IB, if you are interested in that. There is also a public high school near there, for the last two years of high school, which is run by the universities, in effect, and has very high achieving students who get in by means of public examination. Especially good for maths and science. Forget its name, sorry. (My eldest grandchild is not yet 4 and is overseas anyway)

 

I agree that the elite private schools are not worth the money. (My son went to one, but he had to - because he needed to board while we were overseas.) Moreover, their fees are going up at about three times the rate of inflation. As it happens, I was talking recently with a friend who sent four children to the most expensive schools in Sydney and now thinks it was a waste of money.

 

 

There is an additional fee of course for international students in all state schools.

 

I would make up a bit of a dossier on each boy, because it may be useful in "selling" them to the Principals of the schools you are interested in. List all kinds of achievements. Get anything in Japanese officially translated, of course.

 

Whether you would want them to do Japanese (if offered by the school) as a subject will be a subject of discussion. My son did, although he was fluent. Sat in the back of the class reading manga, as I recall. But it did give him a very easy subject. That could have mattered if he had wanted to get into Law or Medicine, which require OP1s. (About 99.5%)

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Thank you everyone! Value your input.

 

(warning: following is the rant of a worried mother!)

 

Getting very nervous the more I read about QLD schools: overcrowding issues, teacher injuries, students (and PARENTS) out of control. For eg, looked at Palm Beach, Currumbin, where we love to holiday, and the school seems to be having some serious issues. Uncovered all this after typing in only "....reviews" and reading a little more in depth. Of course, know negative issues usually come up first and there is a degree of media hype.

 

I grew up in Victoria (child of ten pound poms), left many years ago to live in four countries, but going back to Ballarat horrifies me how rough it is there now. Dad said my guys would never make it there, which I wouldn't try anyway, and he's a tough ex paratrooper!

 

So nervous I'll make the wrong decision and throw them into an environment that will be an awful shock to their fairly sheltered Japanese life. However, I need to return to Aus. Dad is on his own and getting frail, also I do not want to subject the kids to Japanese High School, where they focus too much on Japanese language and history, not enough on science, and expect them to put in 8 - 7om days.

 

Finished translating all their Japanese reports, getting them certified next week, then will submit the 1st step of applying to QLD BOE, where I need to list a choice of schools. Brisbane State - will give it a good try. My son is, apart from being very well rounded academically, is also soon to try out for the Japan Jnr. Olympics swim trials, so when "selling" (thanks for that tip!) will approach the school under the Sport Merit entry also. He's ranked 4th in free, 5th in back in Ibaraki Prefecture, whether that constitutes a state?

 

Next, I'll enter Indooroopilly, then Miami. Indooroopilly is looking more favourable by the day.

 

Honestly, I can't sleep at night worrying about, not so much their education now, but the environment they'll be in. Of which, is relative to the learning atmosphere.

 

Help!

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Not to panic. Plenty of good state high schools here.

 

I recall being nervous when my son went INTO a Japanese middle school where he was the only non Japanese they had ever had. Worried mostly about bullying. He was very small for his age then too. Luckily, he had done karate for years and flattened the first kid who had a go at him, and that was that.

 

First of all - where does Dad live?

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If you're looking at Indooroopilly SHS, I'm pretty sure you'll need to live in their catchment area and if so, your primary school question is easily solved. Ironside SS is a brilliant school and while most schools in the area surrounding Indooroopilly are good schools, Ironside is at the top of the tree for state primary education. Make sure you get into its catchment (which is part of that for ISHS) and you're home and hosed.

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If you're looking at Indooroopilly SHS, I'm pretty sure you'll need to live in their catchment area and if so, your primary school question is easily solved. Ironside SS is a brilliant school and while most schools in the area surrounding Indooroopilly are good schools, Ironside is at the top of the tree for state primary education. Make sure you get into its catchment (which is part of that for ISHS) and you're home and hosed.

 

 

 

 

 

Brisbane State High School is the ONLY selective state high school in Queensland. The only state school that is a member of the GPS - Greater Public Schools. Very difficult to get into if you don't live in the catchment. Two feeder primaries - West End and Dutton Park.

 

They do let some kids in by examination results. e.g. an exam they hold for kids at the end of year 5. But they have to guarantee a place for kids within the catchment. South Brisbane and West End are very heavily marketed to Chinese buyers these days. So the places that go to kids outside the catchment are very limited.

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As International Students, on such visas, I'm not sure about the catchment situation. I'm filling out the form now for submission to EQI Int. Student Program where the schools listed are:

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Looking at the list though, if I select Brisbane State High, there's not a nearby State School for my younger to go to. West End shows nothing on their site about accepting international students, Dutton do (buried deep), however, not on the list shown here. Same seems to apply for Indo. High School. Wonder if I need to approach the state schools independently after the eldest is placed in a High School.

 

Not sure what the procedure is. Do I get the "Offer of a Place" for a specific school? Seems we're in a real catch 22 situation. Getting both boys into a good school, then choosing where to live based on that. We can't get there in time (kids finish exams January) to secure a rental for catchment consideration.

 

Dad is in the bush, way outside Ballarat. Hoping I can move him up nearer to us after we move. Climate will be easier for his last days. He's not doing too great on his own.

 

Thanks for the link to the Miami incident. Did see that and was actually somewhat impressed at a couple of things. One, the school had responded to an obviously already troubled student by expelling him, then reacted fairly well on the day. Two, they appear to have no tolerance for that type of behaviour.

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Yes, was forgetting they were international students. Don't think the catchment is relevant to you. Nor do I think you can approach schools independently.

 

Why wait until January? The kids' final results in a Japanese school are not going to matter much here. You are going to have a lot to do anyway before the beginning of the school year at the end of January. And Dad's situation sounds as if you should move him sooner rather than later. I presume he does want to move????

 

It will probably be easier for your older boy because all the kids will be moving to high school as they start year 7.

 

Not many primary schools on that list. Maybe consider Michelton? It's a fairly middle class area, on the train. Housing will not be too expensive there. However, I know nothing about the school. I will ask my teacher pals tomorrow at our usual breakfast meeting at Carseldine markets, but no guarantee any of them will know much. However, they probably WOULD know if it were a bad school.

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Mmm... Yes, I had forgotten that they are international students so catchments probably won't apply. Given their location in relation to UQ, there's a a good chance that both ISHS and ISS will take international students.

 

Overseas students who are seeking information regarding attending a Queensland school should contact Education Queensland International (EQI). EQI is the unit in the Queensland Government's Department of Education, Training and the Arts that manages education programs for international students in Queensland's public schools.

https://www.eqi.com.au/ EQ International

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Ha, nice catch Roberta. Dad, of course, doesn't care to move. If I can get him to come up for a break, hoping to soften him to the idea. He loved the little cottage I rented when we went to visit him last July in Smythesdale, Vic.

 

We need to stay until end January for several reasons. Finishing their exams is important to us, especially my husband (he's only recently become an American citizen for his position at his lab) who hopes one day they will return to Japan to continue their Japanese descendant duties. (The boys and I stayed here in Japan, not just for their education, but to care for his elderly parents whom we loved very much)

 

Luckily my ex colleague from Tokyo has introduced me to someone at EQI and I'm currently working with them to get my papers together. The application etc. seems straight forward, but I was wondering about the actual school selection part. They are located in Varsity and not familiar with the Brisbane area.

 

Thanks to your input I'm feeling much more confident about the Brisbane HS and Indooroopilly HS option and certainly swaying towards them. I'll call the EQI contact on Monday and ask her the detailed questions about how they proceed, as in, do we follow through with one school they offer, or can we choose from our selection. Hoping there is some flexibility there. We're coming over end March and wanted to visit the schools on our final draft to get a better feel.

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Ha, nice catch Roberta. Dad, of course, doesn't care to move. If I can get him to come up for a break, hoping to soften him to the idea. He loved the little cottage I rented when we went to visit him last July in Smythesdale, Vic.

 

We need to stay until end January for several reasons. Finishing their exams is important to us, especially my husband (he's only recently become an American citizen for his position at his lab) who hopes one day they will return to Japan to continue their Japanese descendant duties. (The boys and I stayed here in Japan, not just for their education, but to care for his elderly parents whom we loved very much)

 

Luckily my ex colleague from Tokyo has introduced me to someone at EQI and I'm currently working with them to get my papers together. The application etc. seems straight forward, but I was wondering about the actual school selection part. They are located in Varsity and not familiar with the Brisbane area.

 

Thanks to your input I'm feeling much more confident about the Brisbane HS and Indooroopilly HS option and certainly swaying towards them. I'll call the EQI contact on Monday and ask her the detailed questions about how they proceed, as in, do we follow through with one school they offer, or can we choose from our selection. Hoping there is some flexibility there. We're coming over end March and wanted to visit the schools on our final draft to get a better feel.

 

 

 

Hard to tell how much flexibility they will have/show. How many schools are you allowed to "choose"?

 

Lucky you are not trying to get into a government school in Singapore. About 1,000 expats last year were told to go jump; wouldn't matter if you lived at the school gate. Private schools start at about $A30.000.

 

You might want to look at the languages offered at these various high schools. State High, I think, has Chinese and not Japanese. That's quite an issue, I hear. Lots of PRC kids who of course are native speakers; makes it pretty hard for the little Ozzie battlers. The system tries to cope with this but of course it is difficult/impossible.

 

Would you want them to do Japanese or not? My son, already fluent, did it because it gave him a "free" subject, allowing him more time for his sporting and other interests. In any case, he didn't need a particularly high OP to get into the university course he wanted. But if you think you might be after a course that will require an OP 1 - e.g medicine, law, vet science- the choices you make now for your 13 year old could be important.

 

Kelvin Grove State College has a good reputation. Kids are well behaved too - I quite often encounter them on the bus. Ditto the State High kids. The ones from around here (inner north) would have got in by competitive exam of course. Not many Anglos, I might add......

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I am biased as I live here but the Southern end of the Gold Coast is certainly not crime central. Varsity College has a great international program and also an Academy of Maths and Science - I don't think the catchment would apply if you were here on an international basis. My kids have been going there for 4 years and I am very happy. Not sure what you have read but PBC (Palm Beach Currumbin) is getting better and better every year and has an academic excellence program and a sports excellence program. I wouldn't touch Miami with a ten-foot pole, it is well-known for being a school that kids go to who don't like the discipline of other schools.

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OK, thanks! These are all really useful opinions.

 

According to the form, we need to list in order of preference 1-5 schools, which is where I came to the baffling conclusion that the primary and HSs did not correspond. I NEED to talk with the EQI contact.

 

I actually wondered exactly that about the Japanese classes offered at the schools. What IS their purpose? If it's the same as the "English" classes they get here in Japan, then I fully appreciate the school and kiddie's problem. My poor guys, who are fluent in both also, more often than not end up being better speakers than the teacher and are used as teacher's aids to help with pronunciation. Kudos to the teacher for using resources, but my guys hate it. ha! My husband is expecting them to attend "Japanese School" which are usually on a Sat. morning, only 3 hours or so. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I need to respect his opinion, plus with a school day of only until 3pm, think the kids can manage that no problem. They currently attend 8:15 - 4pm. Alternatively, we can easily continue Japanese home study, as we've done with their English while here in Japan. I'm proficient enough in Japanese to monitor that.

 

Back to the choice of schools, I'm also cross referencing to the Aviation program:

 

http://www.aviationaustralia.aero/corporate/Aerospace-Gateway-Schools-Project.php

 

which my eldest is very keen on, thus the Miami or Palm Beach inclusion. But, thanks for your warning on Miami. Looked at Varsity and felt it would be great for both boys to attend, but, unfortunately doesn't have the aviation program. This article about Palm Beach was quite concerning:

 

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/gold-coast-teacher-kaye-sharples-59-is-on-leave-suffering-posttraumatic-stress-from-violence-levels-at-palm-beach-currumbin-high/story-fnj94idh-1226950135246

 

We will not be encouraging either son to pursue law, medicine or such. Daddy is hoping that they will lean towards his field, which is engineering at a fairly high level. He's a researcher at a lab in the US with distinguished status, well published, lecturing at top universities. Probably due to their upbringing and natural environment, they are. Lucky daddy! He also wants them to return to the US at University level, however, the cards are on the table about that. (Does he continue to consult after retirement to pay for the over inflated uni fees in the US or retire and let them follow through at a Aus Uni???) Their and his decision.

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Brisbane State High School is the ONLY selective state high school in Queensland. ....

 

Roberta there are three "selective entry only" state high schools in Qld (i.e. no catchment intake at all):

 

- Queensland Academy for Science, Mathematics and Technology at Toowong

 

- Queensland Academy for Health Sciences on the Gold Coast

 

- Queensland Academy for Creative Industries at Kelvin Grove

 

 

+ other some other normal state high schools can be catchment controlled if demand warrants and take students based on selective entry into schools of excellence, similar to state high. eg Kelvin Grove College.

 

Indooroopilly, for example, is catchment controlled at the moment and "the enrolment management plan permits the enrolment of a student living outside the catchment area based on cultural, sporting or academic merit"

See: http://education.qld.gov.au/schools/catchment/plan-b/index.html

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FWIW, I hear good things about Queensland Academies, The Gap, Kenmore, Indooroopilly, Kelvin Grove, Kedron state highs on the north side of Brisbane....and on the southside I've heard some good rumblings about Cavendish Rd, Brisbane and Holland Park West.

 

You mentioned aviation so I thought I would also point out Aviation State High School situated near brisbane airport.

 

"Opened in 2007, Aviation High School was established to provide direct pathways for students seeking careers in the aviation and aerospace industries in Queensland. The school curriculum at Aviation High was significantly influenced and supported by the aerospace and aviation industries and provided wonderful opportunities for students.

 

The aerospace context has now grown to the extent that the school has structured a new faculty, led by a separate Head of Department, to cater for those students who wish to pursue careers in the industry. With the introduction of the national curriculum the school is now delivering that same quality education across all Learning Areas to all students, whatever their aspirations."

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As I understand it, EQI is offering admission to only FIVE primary schools. Burpengary, Durack, Jindalee, Michelton, Sunnybank.

 

Presumably this is because students coming on this kind of visa, with their guardians - who are not Australian citizens or permanent residents - are more likely to be looking for high schools.

 

And so there is little overlap between high schools and primary schools.

 

Sunnybank I assume would be very popular with Chinese students and their parents.

 

So discussion of catchment areas etc is irrelevant.

 

 

Presumably because of the close link between the type of visa and the schools being offered by EQI, this is probably all controlled by Canberra. So not much local flexibility can be expected.

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I have asked my high school teacher pals to rank those five primary schools.

 

1. Mitchelton. Also has the high school nearby that is on the list

 

2.Jindalee

 

3. Durack

 

4. Sunnybank

 

5 Burpengary

 

 

These schools have established programs with specialist teachers for international students. Presume that it is assumed that these students are not fluent in English when they arrive, although that would not apply to all - e.g. students from India.

 

My pals do know a principal who until recently was in head office in Brisbane dealing with international students. Unfortunately she is away at the moment, moving her mother into a nursing home.

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As I understand it, EQI is offering admission to only FIVE primary schools. Burpengary, Durack, Jindalee, Michelton, Sunnybank.

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Roberta might Calamvale, Kelvin Grove, North Lakes and Whites Hill be options as well as they are all colleges running from Prep to 12 ?

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Roberta might Calamvale, Kelvin Grove, North Lakes and Whites Hill be options as well as they are all colleges running from Prep to 12 ?

 

 

I doubt it. For international students, on that kind of visa, there is a list of five primary schools to choose from, and that's it, as far as I can see.

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Hope you are all holding out there in this terrible hurricane! Take care!

 

Thanks for the list Roberta! Our eldest, K, is still English proficient. Although they will have both been in the Japanese education system for 5 years, I have kept up with their English study at home. Youngest, T, is probably first language Japanese now. He can converse in English, but he would be behind well educated Australian kids. I'd imagine it would take him only a couple of months to catch up, not requiring a full on English class. I'll supplement teach at home a lot too. I am native English so we use english at home. Mr T responds mostly in Japanese but is able to understand English very well.

 

Not too keen on them going to a school near the military camp. Really like the look of The Gap High School as they focus on technology and appear to have a progressive outlook on computer study.

 

Spoken to EQI several times now. My, are they so disengaged due the problems of overcrowding etc. there in Brisbane as everyone wants their kids to go to BSH, Indo or Kelvin? They clearly said we MUST select the schools on the list. No chance of BSH, Indo and Kelvin are to capacity (although happened to talk to the Indo Principal (very nice!) who said "sure, come and see them, they have openings). Very confusing? I get the feel that they are having a surge of certain nationalities, who as one said, do not integrate with the other kids and community, therefore wonder if that is why they are being cautious and negative over the phone with me. EQI explain they can't answer as they need to see our paperwork, however, once we submit the paperwork, that's IT!! They give us what they decide. No changes after that. Unless we pay $500 and go through this awful process again.

 

We really can't make such an important decision on paper and will try to go and visit the schools when we come over for a holiday March 24, next month.

 

Feel I have three criteria to consider, in order of importance:

Study focus for HSer: Technology, Aviation Program, Computer (English is not a big factor for him, nor do we need a path that leads to law, doctor etc)

Integration: Welcoming environment with like minded academic students (preferably in a school with a lower international student ratio)

Living: Rentals are fairly spacious, with large yards or a park very close by. No unit, apartment living, concrete jungle. Easy access to schools by bus.

 

For Mr T, Primary

Study Focus: Basic all round curriculum seems to be across the board with all State Schools, which is great.

Integration: Nice kids, love sports. (he is very happy go lucky, a soccer fanatic, eldest is GATE registered but he is even sharper)

Living: Need space for soccer.

 

So, after talking with K, 12yr old, we've come to this list. (oh, found Kelvin Grove also have their own aviation program)

 

K (HS) T (Primary)

Indooroopilly SHS Kelvin Grove

Kelvin Grove College Kelvin Grove ( if not, Jindalee)

The Gap Kelvin Grove (if not, Mitchelton)

Miami SHS Varsity

????? ?????

 

I'll be coming over on my own with the kids and will look for a rental house probably nearer to the HS as T. has only 2 years left of primary, driving him if too dangerous or far. My husband wants them to attend the Saturday morning Japanese school, which we found is facilitated at the Indooroopilly school, operated by a Japanese government affiliated group.

 

The lure of beach, spacious houses in the GC area was tempting but our focus is on the boys' integration and focus of study, tech and aviation, and to go back to studying in English. I remember the Gap area as being very nice when I used to visit an Aunt there so assume Kelvin, Ashgrove to be similiar.

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