staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 We have been informed that based on our situation my husband could obtain a 190 state sponsored visa for solid plastering. As it says in the title he's got 9 years experience in this trade however no qualification so he has been informed would need to go through an assessment via vetasses (which would give him a level 3 australian trade certificate) Our question is having looked at the main duties would he be doing all these for an assessor to watch over and if so how long does this take? He knows the theory part of for example exterior plastering (rendoring) however doesn't do this in his job. Would he be asked to do this on the day of the assessment or just verbally talk about the process of doing it? I think he's more keen on talking it through than doing it In front of someone... It's just he's getting himself in a bit of a flap thinking about the pressure to perform on the day (it can get to the best of us because there is a lot riding on a positive outcome) Also at what point does this get done? Is it the following: Vetassess application Work history certified copies of cv statements from employer and customers verbal assessment Practical assessment (if assessor not comfortable with answers above) Then a day in which he goes for a practical assessment? It's very confusing as to whether he's doing this practical assessment or not or if it's just verbal or both. I am finding contradicting advice? Then following on from a positive outcome he would compile certified copies of identification and submit EOI at that point if we're acceptable we would get a invitation to apply right? Any advice would be so much appreciated and I apologise if this post is a duplicate I just couldn't find a situation simular for this one for advice. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ryan the wizard of oz Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Good morning I hope you're well, The skills assessment body in place for solid plasterer 333212 is TRA (Trades Recognition Australia) and they require at least a 2yr diploma/apprenticeship however there is an organisation called "Master Builders" who cater to solid plasters and a few other main trades individuals like your Husband that have extensive work experience but no qualification. We have a family who are applying for a 190 who are in a similar situation and they're going ahead with the Master Builders course as well. I will ask our MARA agent about this as I'm quite curious about solid plasterer being assessed by Vetassess. Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Ryan Thank you so much for your reply much appreciated. I have been informed that even though he doesn't have a qualification this is the way he could get a visa obtained if he passes a vet assess i think master builders from what i have read is the assessor in these circumstances buy don't really follow the rest. So the family that you are representing are they doing the course in the UK alongside the application for visa or the course first then on completion look at applying for the 190. I have suggested whether it benefit if husband goes and does a course first before he tries to get a visa but was told it wouldn't make a problem doing it the vet assess way then gives him the trade cert level 3 anyway. Your advise if much appreciated. Thank you Good morning I hope you're well, The skills assessment body in place for solid plasterer 333212 is TRA (Trades Recognition Australia) and they require at least a 2yr diploma/apprenticeship however there is an organisation called "Master Builders" who cater to solid plasters and a few other main trades individuals like your Husband that have extensive work experience but no qualification. We have a family who are applying for a 190 who are in a similar situation and they're going ahead with the Master Builders course as well. I will ask our MARA agent about this as I'm quite curious about solid plasterer being assessed by Vetassess. Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 While it's correct that applying through the Vetassess Offshore Skills Assessment program does provide the applicant with an Australian qualification, Solid Plasterer is not one of the trades that is accepted in this program. There are Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) services in place that will issue Australian qualifications based upon previous experience. With the qualification obtained the correct skills assessing authority would then be TRA as pointed out above. Please note that RPL programs and the skills assessment are extremely costly and time intensive. For your own benefit please make sure that you're aware of the requirements for this and any later visa application before starting the process. If you have been incorrectly advised about the assessment you may have received incorrect advice regarding other aspects as well. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Adam So does this mean that my husband wouldn't qualify for a 190 visa? Or that he would but it would be a longer more costly process than if he were to of had a UK qualification already but it's still possible? Our dreams have just been crushed if so :no: but thank so so much for your information. While it's correct that applying through the Vetassess Offshore Skills Assessment program does provide the applicant with an Australian qualification, Solid Plasterer is not one of the trades that is accepted in this program. There are Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL) services in place that will issue Australian qualifications based upon previous experience. With the qualification obtained the correct skills assessing authority would then be TRA as pointed out above. Please note that RPL programs and the skills assessment are extremely costly and time intensive. For your own benefit please make sure that you're aware of the requirements for this and any later visa application before starting the process. If you have been incorrectly advised about the assessment you may have received incorrect advice regarding other aspects as well. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The TRA skills assessment is mandatory and to obtain a positive assessment he would need to have a recognised qualification (or formal apprenticeship). He could obtain a qualification through the RPL process as described, but it can be costly. I don't have any other details regarding your situation to be able to make an assessment on the other aspects or your overall chances of visa success. I'm not in the business of crushing dreams! Sorry if it came across as overly negative. I'm just trying to point out that you need to ensure you have a good understanding of the requirements and your chances of success before throwing a few thousand pounds into this first stage. It's a lot of time/money to invest. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Adam Yes this is where we're at a stumbling block because we don't know enough about the process to sign on the dotted line as it's a lot of money to loose. And it's ok I appreciate your honesty. If u didn't mind though I can tell you a bit about husbands background? He's English and I am Welsh and we have 2 young children. He's been in his trade for 9 years and up until beginning of this year self employed but contracted too the same company Monday to Friday for this whole time but now he's been taken on at his request. He has no formal qualification and can do all sorts of things (tiling/painting etc) but we are focusing on the plastering for this purpose (and the 20 hours a week rule) we would sell our house and have equity of around 80k to take with us. He is 33 years old and speaks fluent English no other language so wasn't sure if he would needs to do ielts or not and I am 27 years old and kids (49yrs and 6 months old) I think that about covers that history part. Our concerns are we don't want to pay agent and the fees for him to go through too a company to gain this AQF 111 (I have been trawling the forums and have heard about http://www.australianskillsassessments.com.au as the place where u can pay to do this and then from there you can apply for a skills assessment through TRA right??) And it to be the wrong thing the visa gets thrown out and we have wasted thousands of pounds....This is why I am trying to research it a bit beforehand....as much as I can really it's very complicated. Th The TRA skills assessment is mandatory and to obtain a positive assessment he would need to have a recognised qualification (or formal apprenticeship). He could obtain a qualification through the RPL process as described, but it can be costly. I don't have any other details regarding your situation to be able to make an assessment on the other aspects or your overall chances of visa success. I'm not in the business of crushing dreams! Sorry if it came across as overly negative. I'm just trying to point out that you need to ensure you have a good understanding of the requirements and your chances of success before throwing a few thousand pounds into this first stage. It's a lot of time/money to invest. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ryan the wizard of oz Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Ryan Thank you so much for your reply much appreciated. I have been informed that even though he doesn't have a qualification this is the way he could get a visa obtained if he passes a vet assess i think master builders from what i have read is the assessor in these circumstances buy don't really follow the rest. So the family that you are representing are they doing the course in the UK alongside the application for visa or the course first then on completion look at applying for the 190. I have suggested whether it benefit if husband goes and does a course first before he tries to get a visa but was told it wouldn't make a problem doing it the vet assess way then gives him the trade cert level 3 anyway. Your advise if much appreciated. Thank you Hey......yes unfortunately you was advised incorrectly. BUT at least you have been prevented from spending money in the wrong places. This is the main problem; it's your husband not having any work experience in the last 36 months. He can do Master Builders which is about $2995 and achieve an AQF Lv.3 but TRA will still require at least 12 out of the last 36 months. So if he can try and get some work experience back in his trade that would be a good start. I'm really sorry that you had to go through this, but you would have thought everything was fine and lost out emotionally and financially. At least now you know what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Adam Yes this is where we're at a stumbling block because we don't know enough about the process to sign on the dotted line as it's a lot of money to loose. And it's ok I appreciate your honesty. If u didn't mind though I can tell you a bit about husbands background? He's English and I am Welsh and we have 2 young children. He's been in his trade for 9 years and up until beginning of this year self employed but contracted too the same company Monday to Friday for this whole time but now he's been taken on at his request. He has no formal qualification and can do all sorts of things (tiling/painting etc) but we are focusing on the plastering for this purpose (and the 20 hours a week rule) we would sell our house and have equity of around 80k to take with us. He is 33 years old and speaks fluent English no other language so wasn't sure if he would needs to do ielts or not and I am 27 years old and kids (49yrs and 6 months old) I think that about covers that history part. Our concerns are we don't want to pay agent and the fees for him to go through too a company to gain this AQF 111 (I have been trawling the forums and have heard about www.australianskillsassessments.com.au as the place where u can pay to do this and then from there you can apply for a skills assessment through TRA right??) And it to be the wrong thing the visa gets thrown out and we have wasted thousands of pounds....This is why I am trying to research it a bit beforehand....as much as I can really it's very complicated. Th This is why you pay an agent, so you don't make costly mistakes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 He's been in the same job for 9 years so won't have any problem with the TRA requirement then just need to make sure everything Is done in the correct order. Thanks again Hey......yes unfortunately you was advised incorrectly. BUT at least you have been prevented from spending money in the wrong places. This is the main problem; it's your husband not having any work experience in the last 36 months. He can do Master Builders which is about $2995 and achieve an AQF Lv.3 but TRA will still require at least 12 out of the last 36 months. So if he can try and get some work experience back in his trade that would be a good start. I'm really sorry that you had to go through this, but you would have thought everything was fine and lost out emotionally and financially. At least now you know what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Adam Yes this is where we're at a stumbling block because we don't know enough about the process to sign on the dotted line as it's a lot of money to loose. And it's ok I appreciate your honesty. If u didn't mind though I can tell you a bit about husbands background? He's English and I am Welsh and we have 2 young children. He's been in his trade for 9 years and up until beginning of this year self employed but contracted too the same company Monday to Friday for this whole time but now he's been taken on at his request. He has no formal qualification and can do all sorts of things (tiling/painting etc) but we are focusing on the plastering for this purpose (and the 20 hours a week rule) we would sell our house and have equity of around 80k to take with us. He is 33 years old and speaks fluent English no other language so wasn't sure if he would needs to do ielts or not and I am 27 years old and kids (49yrs and 6 months old) I think that about covers that history part. Our concerns are we don't want to pay agent and the fees for him to go through too a company to gain this AQF 111 (I have been trawling the forums and have heard about www.australianskillsassessments.com.au as the place where u can pay to do this and then from there you can apply for a skills assessment through TRA right??) And it to be the wrong thing the visa gets thrown out and we have wasted thousands of pounds....This is why I am trying to research it a bit beforehand....as much as I can really it's very complicated. Th Yes exactly, you have to research and make sure of everything first before embarking on an expensive journey. To be quite honest if you're saying you find it very complicated or initially thought the assessment was through Vetassess I would suggest consulting with an agent or at the very least continuing your research before moving forwards. A few pointers: -There's a few different RTOs that offer qualifications through an RPL assessment. It's worth looking around. -I can't see anywhere that you've said he doesn't have recent work experience but Ryan is correct it is a TRA requirement to have worked at least 12 out of the prior 36 months. -Yes your partner will need to undergo an IELTS test (for points purposes). He needs to get a decent score so I would search for practice tests and study for it. -I don't like to generalise but I'm sure you're aware that self-employed tradesmen can be a nightmare when it comes to keeping documents. Have a read through the TRA guidelines regarding the evidence needed to prove periods of self-employment and make sure he's got enough to cover it. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Adam Were definitely going to go through an agent however it was/a agent in question who quoted vetassess too me as the avenue that he has to go down to obtain qualification which now doesn't seem to be the case in all fairness when I went onto vetassess I couldn't find anything there in regards too solid plastering but then I thought that agent couldn't of been wrong. Even though he's self employed he's always been subcontracted to a company 5 days a week every week for this/period and I actually forgot to say that they have taken him on through the books (his request) as of the 6th January 2014 so will have weekly payslips for this duration to back this up so they would be able too provide him with statements of work he's done etc. So I feel a/bit more clearer on the whole process than I did this morning so thank you all for your advise Yes exactly, you have to research and make sure of everything first before embarking on an expensive journey. To be quite honest if you're saying you find it very complicated or initially thought the assessment was through Vetassess I would suggest consulting with an agent or at the very least continuing your research before moving forwards. A few pointers: -There's a few different RTOs that offer qualifications through an RPL assessment. It's worth looking around. -I can't see anywhere that you've said he doesn't have recent work experience but Ryan is correct it is a TRA requirement to have worked at least 12 out of the prior 36 months. -Yes your partner will need to undergo an IELTS test (for points purposes). He needs to get a decent score so I would search for practice tests and study for it. -I don't like to generalise but I'm sure you're aware that self-employed tradesmen can be a nightmare when it comes to keeping documents. Have a read through the TRA guidelines regarding the evidence needed to prove periods of self-employment and make sure he's got enough to cover it. All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You're welcome. Good luck with the application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Just a quick update to this thread. So its looking like we're going to complete the AQF 3 cert with Australian Skills Assessments (however in discussions whether the best one would be solid or fibrous plastering) then we know it's TRA and Ielts before EOI and then application once we have a invitation, Medicals/police checks and everything crossed a visa processed ? We just need to secure a visa agent now because of the above misinformation we will of course not be using this company. Anyone recommend a company for us? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffordshiregirl Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 I mean the *original* miss information from a agent who isn't on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoriwa Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Hi staffordshiregirl it would seem that your are six months ahead of us in our quest to apply for a visa; I wondered if you'd mind my asking how you guys got on? We're just looking into getting my partners skills assessed... Any advice you could offer up would be greatly appreciated! many thanks... Victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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