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I am not saying temporary worker is granted for PR. I am only asking if you think this scenario is fair: A temp worker has been working in Australia for years and he maintained medicare or/and private health insurance . (personally I pay medicare levy plus surcharge plus private health insurance. Since I have applied PR so I must pay medicare levy and surcharge. Since I have not got my PR so I am still a foreigner and my private health insurance for foreigners is not entitled for medicare surcharge deduction. ). The temp worker is now waiting PR decision and his current temporary working VISA expired so he is on bridging VISA now. However his body exam for PR shows that he gets cancer now. Thus, his PR application is refused, and he is requested to leave Australia in 30 days, therefore he won't be able to receive treatment using his insurance. And he does not have insurance neither in his birth country. While I understand PR should be refused. I am asking do you feel it is fair and reasonable to give this man a method to stay in Australia and use his own insurance to seek medical treatment? Or do you think this man seek treatment in Australia using his own insurance or medicare is a emotional blackmail?
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I am a bit upset to see that quite some people thinks that a sick temporary worker who seeks medicare treatment is a burden for Australian. That poor sick person payed for his own insurance! Should not he feel granted and deserved to receive treatment once he is sick? Isn't that the purpose of insurance? I paid my health insurance every month and if in my whole life I am healthy and don't get a lot of chance to use my insurance, I won't feel I am robbed by health insurance company. On the contrary, if I am sick and used my health insurance to treat my diseases, I won't feel shame at all and I won't feel I am taking advantage of the health insurance company, as that is what insurance do! Why you guys believe a sick temporary worker who has always paid his medicare and his private insurance is a burden and is taking advantage of Australia tax payers?
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Not every country offers national health insurance(like medicare ) without conditions. In my birth country, one person has to constantly work for 6 months to be automatically eligible for health insurance. Which is not possible for a very sick person.
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"You know when you sign up to be a temporary resident that you will be a temporary resident and expect to return to your home country when your temporary residence is done. " I totally agree with this. This is not the subject I want to discuss. What I want to discuss, is that a temporary worker has been paying tax, medicare levy, medicare surcharge in Australia, and when he applies his PR he got sick, then is it fair to refuse his PR and consequently deprive his chance to use his private health insurance and his medicare which he has paid and maintained. You said "It wouldn't be fair on the Australian tax payer to foot the bill for a non permanent residence". Please note, it is not Australia permanent residences to pay for the bill. We should treat all temporary workers as a group, then this group should be given lenient consideration if someone in this group fall into this miserable circumstance considering the contribution this group has made. If someone pays the medicare bill then it is this group paying for themselves well fare. Not to mention this temporary workers himself payed tax, paid for this own insurance, paid for medicare levy from his salary. Thus, if home affair directly refuse his PR and send him back to home country to die then it is very unfair as per me. However now I was told by NickyNook that this person can apply medicare treatment visa to stay in Australia and get treatment, then I feel this is fair. Not every country offers national health insurance(like medicare ) without conditions. In my birth country, one person has to constantly work for 6 months to be automatically eligible for health insurance. Which is not possible for a very sick person.
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The average earning of temporary workers is higher than average earnings of residence. So in average temporary workers pay more tax.
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Hi Quoll, if you read my previous comment, I don't think pre-knowing the condition equals fair. If pre-knowing the terms condition and then accept it is already so-called fair, why we have so many Australian labour law in place to protect? why don't we just abandon all the laws and just let employees to work out any contracts as they wish and let workers decide to sign or not? If that is already fair enough? Example, If a worker signed the 5 dollar/hour job, no annual leaves, work overtime and no extra payment, as per you this is also fair as no one (except life) forced the man to sign the contract. Yes they have the support of family and friends but without health insurance they lose the chance to live. If they can receive treatment here then their family can come and stay with the patient when he/she receives treatment. And BTW, if you read above comment from NickyNook, actually there is such VISA in Australia to allow people in such condition to continue staying in Australia to receive treatment. which in my opinion this is fair.
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Hi NickyNook, All that does not change a fact that temporary workers contribute no less than they get from all you mentioned (plus else) stuff. Otherwise why establish the temporary workers schema at the first place if Australia loses more in this? Temporary workers are not refugees. Thanks for your response and information. I guess your second part has answered everything: It is unfair to send back a sick temporary worker to die that way, that is why there is Medical Treatment visa to enable sick temp workers to stay longer and use more of the Australian health insurance. I am very happy my concern was taken into consideration by Australian government already.
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It is not about stupidity, it is about fair and protection toward vulnerable group. If pre-knowing the terms condition and then accept it is already so-called fair, why we have so many Australian labour law in place to protect? why don't we just abandon all the laws and just let employee to work out any contracts as they wish and let works decide to sign or not? If that is already fair enough?
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Seriously? Don't forget average income and average tax payment of temporary works are above the average of Australian residences. Because if it is lower and does not meet the market salary standard then their 457 work won't be granted at the first place. So you are saying they are paying higher tax just to use the road services and public transport services?
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And BTW, I want to point out two ideas from me: 1. a rule and a law is this does not mean it is fair. A government can define any law and any rule. This does not mean the rule and the law is fair. We know in many countries there are many radiculous rules and laws, like in my birth country. 2. people already knew the conditions before they came, and they accepted it and came anyway does not mean the terms and conditions they accepted is fair. For example, why Australia sets up the minimal wage by law? Employers can give a offer of 5 hours per hour pay. If you think it is not good then don't take it. Someone others think they can accept it, they can accept it. Is this fair? They employees does not lie on anything, they make 5 dollar per hour payment clearly on contract and the workers who take the job knows this before they sign the contract. If you call this fair, why government set minimal wage?
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That patient paid his tax as well as other temporary workers. If we treat all temporary workers as a group, then this group should be given lenient consideration if someone in this group fall into this miserable circumstance considering the tax this group has paid.
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The law and rule defines this way does not mean it is fair and reasonable. I cannot come up with any reason that sending back a patient to his own birth country to die is fair. Especially after that patient has maintained health insurance in Australia, and you don't give him a chance to use it to survive here. Workers come to Australia not to just take advantage of Australia, but also contribute here.
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Yes I do have one. but if my PR visa application gets refused, the medicare card is also cancelled automatically and I will have to leave Australia within 30 days. I can't use my Australia private health insurance and the medicare card if I am not in Australia anymore can I?
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Hello, we know there is a body exam requirement when applying VISA. And if someone was discovered with some serious health issue, then the VISA application might be denied. Is it fair and reasonable? I am a healthy person, but I am thinking over this. Before coming to Australia, I was working and I was covered by national health insurance. However, the insurance was automatically aborted due to my stop of working there after I came to Oz. Thus, if I get cancer when I am working in Australia, and HOME Affair refused my PR VISA application based on that, then I will have no choice but to go back to my home country( saying my 457 is also expired). In this circumstance, I can no longer use my health insurance in Australia. And I don't have any health insurance in my home country anymore. This is literally dump a people to die. Is this fair?
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Hi Guys, I want to let you know that my nomination is approved. Occupation: software engineer Nomination/VISA Applied date: 27th, Sep, 2018 Nomination approved date: 1th March, 2019. VISA: pending I applied nomination and visa at the same time, however i have not completed police check and body examination. I really should do that earlier as I might have seen visa grant at the same time. Damn.
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Hi Hex, thanks for the information, will check with my MA.
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Hello Hex, I also noticed that some information was incorrect due to typo error. May I know how did MA correct the error? As far as I am aware there is no way for them to change the information after submitted other than using an 1023 Notification of incorrect answers form. Is that what you MA did? I am hesitating in doing this as it was just a minor small typo of a date of my past living period addresses many years ago, a non-important questions at all.
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yes, and from a project perspective, since it is a commence of a new regulation, it makes sense they start to process a small amount of applicants in that category, so that if they notice some new problems associated with this new method, they can find out now and starts to look for a resolution now, instead of having to wait until August when they suddenly realize those problems and they have to stop there.
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Hi Maggie, i sent a written email with my question to TSS@homeaffairs.gov.au, and received a email reply from case officer saying I must maintain my health insurance. Yes I totally agree they might be giving me the wrong information because both my MA and my health insurance provider told me that I can cancel. However since case officer says I must maintain, I will just do so to have peace in mind.
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Hi Fionasun, The first day of visa is not the day your visa is granted. It is the first day one starts to work after his visa is granted. For example, I got my VISA at May but I starts to work at July, so my 2 years time accumulation starts from July not May. I think for most people it is very unlikely to start working at the same day the visa gets granted. Let's say what if the VISA is granted at 2:00 PM? Then even you start to work at 2:00 PM that won't make it a full working day. To be honest, I am not confident if you meet the 2 years requirement at the last day of your two year visa(even you started to work at the very first same day as soon as your visa was granted, which can hardly be met). Maybe that is the purpose of the 2 years visa: they don't want anyone to be qualified for the 2 years requirement on that single 2 years visa. I strongly suggest that you consulate a MA to find out.
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Hi SAJ.N, Anyway, I will keep my private health insurance as I wrote my question in email to 457/TSS case officer and they replied in written mail that I must keep my health insurance even I said I have received my medicare otherwise I will break my VISA condition. Maybe he gives wrong information however I will just keep my private health insurance anyway for peace in mind.
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Hi SBROWNE, I am not from those countries so rules might be different. For me, I maintained my private health insurance. After I submitted 186, I applied and received my medicare card. Then I sent a mail to 457 (now TSS) visa case officers and they replied me that I must still maintain my private health insurance even I have received medicare card otherwise I will break my VISA condition.
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Hi Hex this is indeed true, this is a legal requirement to have private medical. I saw many articles(even my own MA) says that you can cancel your private health insurance once you have received your medicare card. So I was going to cancel it but before I did that I sent an inquiry to 457 VISA case officer and they replied in email that I cannot cancel my private health insurance even I got my medicare card, otherwise I will break my visa condition.
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Yes I do have private health insurance (Iman/NIB). However I asked them and they clearly stated that visitor health insurance for 457 visa holder is not eligible for tax refund purpose.
