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What do you guys think of the new 10 year rule, does this mean children born to PR will now only recieve a citizenship after 10 years? limiting automatic acquisition of citizenship at ten years of age to those persons: o whose parent(s) is not entitled to any diplomatic and/ or consular privileges or immunities; or o who have maintained lawful residence in Australia throughout the ten years; or o who held a valid visa permitting them to travel to, enter and remain in Australia throughout the ten-year period; or o whose parent was a lawful non-citizen at all times between that parent’s last entry to Australia prior to the person’s birth and the person’s birth. Section 12 of the Act provides, among other matters, that a person born in Australia who is not otherwise an Australian citizen becomes a citizen on their tenth birthday if they were ‘ordinarily resident’ in Australia for the first ten years of their life. This is known as the 10 year rule

Point #3 is very dangerous and unnerving. Also the bill introduces a new clause that says the first 10 years of your citizenship even if you are born here allows the minister full power to revoke it at any time. It's also not a full citizenship effectively until after 10 years. Minister powers also over rides courts, it's dictatorship style.

Yes so far the bill has indicated that PR who did IELTS and passed have to resit the exam regardless if its still valid or not. Unless youre from an English speaking country like US, UK. Pathetic I know but that's where they are going with this.

Reading the new bill more and more I discover that this is a massive power grab by the minister essentially giving him supreme power to give and revoke a citizenship. For example: There is a new clause in this bill that states even those born in Australia are not real citizens for the first 10 years and that the minister has the power to revoke their citizenship "That for the purposes of automatic acquisition of Australian citizenship, a person is not taken to be ordinarily resident in Australia throughout the period of 10 years beginning on the day the person was born " there are more clauses that define pretty much anyone's first 10 years as a citizen as your not really a "real citizen" until the 10 years are up and minister can change their mind about you for so many open ended reasons. Very dangerous and unnerving

While personally I scored an 8 on average on my IELTS, I agree a 6 is too high requirement. I saw an article once that ozzie born people and even in UK would get a 4 or 5 on IELTS. We are definitely looking at a large number of permanent non-citizens. Id imagine many refugees and foreign born spouses would never ever make it at IELTS 6 thus never achieving citizenship. Again which comes to the point that these rules should apply to future arrivals as those planning to come to Australia can make an informed decision, rather than back dating it for existing residents.

Thanks for posting this and sharing it That officially confirms the application freeze. Not good!

Hi Folks, Looks like all of our submissions have been a waste of time, for the first time ever the government decided to "hide" all submissions regarding the citizenship changes. Sounds like they are hiding an overwhelming number of complaints: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/feedback-on-controversial-citizenship-changes-to-be-kept-secret-20170609-gwnvow.html also it appears Turnbull and Dutton don't care about the submissions and will double down even more with their own agenda: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peter-dutton-seeks-stronger-powers-over-citizenship-decisions-20170611-gwp504.html our next fight should be convincing labour and greens senators and MPs to reject these changes

Not a single person who applied after April 20 has seen progress on their app. It's June now, clearly we are looking at a total freeze.

Of course It's going to pass, since spineless Shorten thinks these changes are "reasonable", no mention of the back dating and app freeze which really is the bigger problem.

Thanks for making the submission, remember folks tomorrow is last day so make sure you submit your feedback and objection by then latest. As for being away after applying, well thats another unanswered question just shows you how bad the back dating factor is and how it shouldn't be allowed to happen in the first place these are peoples lives they are playing politics with. Imagine going away then finding out you're now supposed to be in the country. The back dating and applications freeze is pretty much putting everyone's lives on hold for the next year or two. Hopefully it gets thrown own by the courts. Please do keep us updated on your app. Good luck

It is everyone's DUTY affected by this to send a submission asap before end of this week. Make sure you Focus on the back dating and applications freeze. These new changes should only apply to future arrivals to Australia if at all. It is not right to back date this and put peoples lives on hold for such a long time.

Which is why if this is raised to high court a judge will throw the freeze right away. Hopefully migration agents raise this who are in the best position to do this. Might be worth for us to get in touch with some of them.

Just needs a case at the high court and this freeze and back dating will be thrown out by a judge.

Pretty sure the government has no power to freeze citizenship applications for no reason. The current scenario is purely political. Back dating this whole process and then keeping people in limbo for 2 years is not within the powers of a minister. You are talking about law abiding peoples lives put on hold. 100% it can get thrown out by a judge if it's raised to high court and applications can resume until new laws are actually drafted. Question is who is willing to put this to courts, unlike USA we don't have groups here to protect and fight for immigrants.

Thanks for confirming, I've been saying this for a while. All apps are frozen after April 20. We are looking at 2 year wait. Again the back dating is the main issue, Which is why if you havent already make a submission asap this is the last week and protest the back dating specifically. We need to get that thrown out

I think what the other dude is getting it is Well look at it, do you see the media caring about this issue? Where is the barrage of media coverage? Do you see Labor even talking about this? Unfortunately Labor has been a weak opposition for the past several years everyone knows that and media pretty much gave up chasing the whole immigration narrative. In comparison to the states, Look at what the democrats and media did to his travel ban, they got it thrown out. All signs point this is guaranteed to happen. However what you can do is participate in the submissions (you have till end of this month), if enough people provide feedback some things can be adjusted possibly the back dating which really is the biggest problem. Please make a submission it you are affected by this.

Keep up the updates, good work.

There is no risk of losing money, they will refund the money if the rules change this has already been confirmed. Only risk is wasting time & false hope.

No, only if the employer wants to sponsor you for PR then they have to pay for the process. If you are already PR and working then no problem

Yep. Pretty much the back dating needs to go that will solve the problem for all sides. Should apply for future arrivals who can make informed decision about settling in Australia. The English and new citizenship tests are negligible issues. Anyone with basic English understanding can pass both of these tests (even if it's politically motivated and doing IELTS twice doesn't make sense)

Just email them or write a letter. Some MPs are active and some are lazy and dont bother replying, you might have to send multiple emails to get a response. Do the same for your senator My MP here in Melbourne is great responds within hours.

The key issue is the back dating, that's what we need to fight for. Makes no sense to back date a change when it's not even finalised or approved. It should apply to future arrivals so that those looking to settle in Australia can plan and decide accordingly. Many ppl for example would have gone to Canada knowing these new rules exist. Otherwise those applying after April 20 (if eligible) are looking at a 1.5-2 year wait to get to ceremony phase as apps are on hold until 2018. I don't think anyone of us wants to wait that long for something that took 6 months in the past.

The back dating is the main issue, if it applies to new future arrivals it would make sense since those arrivals will know what they are getting.

No you can't

It is your duty if you are part of this thread to submit your objections to citizenship.submissions@border.gov.au Deadline is June 1st. I have made my submissions, and focused on the issue of back dating these rules. Should only apply to future arrivals if at all.