LindaH27

10 minutes ago, Prhee22 said:

Hi

First post, thought i would share some of my dates for the 143 VISA as i've just received the queue letter today.

VISA 143 lodged – 24/5/19

IMMI Ackn of Valid Application – 22/6/19

Queue letter – 19/12/23 (Queue date assigned> 24 May 2019)

So what can I expect next?

Thanks

Not much - just settle in for a wait to be contacted for processing/grant  around October 2026 on Current quota 

https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/?visa_month=5&visa_year=2019&expect_annually=7000&dataset=2023-10-03#calculator

There could be changes once the govt make their announcement on potential changes  to parent visas, hopefully by the end of this year. 

5 hours ago, ravzter123 said:

We applied for parents June 2019 for 864. Just received request for Police clearance , Medicals - which is unlikely to be completed in 28 days- so for now submitted proof of payments/medical appointments to prove that we have taken action. when does one receive request for AoS ? I read comments that most of the times AoS is requested at the same time as when police clearance and medicals are requested.

This is just for pre assessment for the queue. AOS is only requested shortly before grant. They are still working on May 2017 and there are over 5000 applications in June 2017 
June 2019 is not likely to be processed /granted until November 2026. https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/?visa_month=6&visa_year=2019&expect_annually=7000&dataset=2023-10-03#calculator

2 hours ago, Alan Collett said:

Abul Rivzi (ex-Department of Immigration) always writes an interesting article ...

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/questions-loom-over-mooted-parent-visa-reforms,17967

Best regards.

One of the major problems in recent years is the 804 visa. It allows elderly people to just move over and wait in Australia for the rest of their life. The numbers applying for that have greatly increased in the last few years partly because  of the long wait for the contributory visa, partly because some countries have a cultural need to look after their parents and also partly because some cannot afford the costs of the contributory visa. People from one of 11 countries  can get reciprocal health care too which adds to the costs for the Australian taxpayer - and it is probably really only meant to cover visitors rather than long stay . The article also mentions that if people become ill enough to go to hospital then they will be treated but obviously will incur a cost - and it appears from the article that a lot cannot pay and it therefore remains a debt to the government. It’s no surprise therefore that the  cost of an elderly parent is averaged out at $400k. Private health insurance is mentioned but will obviously be expensive for older parents with varied health conditions - and it will no doubt increase every year. What  happens then when it becomes too expensive for some elderly parents to maintain that  insurance?  The Press would have a field day if Australia  attempted to remove those parents! 

I’ve no real idea of the best way to proceed. It may be better to call a halt to new offshore applications for  a while, close off onshore applications and restrict  the reciprocal health care agreement to short term visitors only. The problem then arises of the  best way to clear the existing backlog. Whether to increase the quota for a few years, restrict reciprocal care and bite the bullet on those costs , and thereafter only allow long term fully self funded visas. That way it could be short term pain for long term gain - but with an election  coming in possibly 2025 who knows how all this would sound to the Australian voters? 

31 minutes ago, LesleyT said:

I have some news but I've been doing this timeline for a couple of months and I thought it might be interesting to some.

28/04/2017 - 864 visa application acknowledged

October 2018 - BVB granted

20/08/2022 - BVB granted

27/03/2023 - Request for further information

27/03/2023 - AFP check requested

31/03/2023 - BUPA medical

06/04/2023 - AoS application sent to Centrelink - the estimated action date was 17/05/2023

07/04/2023 -  UK police ceck requested by email because their website had been cyber attacked.

21/04/2023 - UK police check completed

24/04/2023 - AFP check completed

30/05/2023 - Request from Centrelink for the bank guarantee - to be done in 14 days

05/06/2023 - Bank guarantee and relevant documents uploaded to Centrelink  - luckily we had an acknowedgement

26/06/2023 - AoS rejected. The documents hadn't been submitted in the required time. They had. See above. We had to visit a Centrelink office becaue the phone line wouldn't work. After a struggle they agreed to help and acknowledged all the information was there, and on time.

29/06/2023 - Aos accepted

31/08/2023 - Request for 2nd VAC

31/08/2023 - 2nd VAC paid

01/09/2023 - 864 VISA GRANTED.

So it's been a long haul but here I am now with PR. Next step  citizenship I hope. 

I want to say huge thanks to Go Matilda for their help with my application, and an especially big thank you to Sarah who has held my hand, metaphorically, through these last nervous months. Good luck to everyone who is waiting.

Lesley

 

 

 

Congratulations Lesley ! Sounds like it’s been a rough ride but you finally got there! 
I know that to get citizenship you have to be in Australia for 4 years and have PR. Do they count the time you’ve already spent in Australia whilst waiting for 864 or is it 4 years PR needed? 

2 minutes ago, Antoinette said:

Thank you for replying Linda,im 54yrs working with adults with intellectual disabilities for over 20yrs  would I be able to get sponsored in that field as I have read that there is a chronic shortage of skilled people in that area

You’d need to Speak to an agent. @Alan Collett posts here often and gives very good advice. I understand you can  arrange a short freebie chat with him for a basic outline of what is possible. 

On 19/08/2023 at 11:45, Dhaya said:

Hello Friends,

I have lodged my Mother in law contributory 143 visa on 15th June 2017 - What is the time frame? now they wanted to come under visitor visa to see us? IMMI site shows currently processing until May 2017 - Can we get any sooner or Will have to wait for one more year?

17 minutes ago, Antoinette said:

Hi everyone,I applied for 143 visa in May 2023.I got diagnosed with Primary Billinary Cholangitis ( autoimmune liver condition) last year and on medication for same.Im in good health otherwise,will my application fail due to my condition?

I don’t think anyone could tell you! . Currently new applications made from January  2023 are likely to take between 12-15 years due to the fact there are around 85000 already in the queue and only 6800 grants per year. 

Its not just  the actual condition that could cause failure to pass medical,  it’s also whether the costs of treating it would cost more than $51000 over a period of 5-10 years. 

Also the govt has carried out a review into parent visas and will be making an announcement later this year. It’s possible there  could be a raft of changes to parent visas - possibly even stopping them altogether in favour of long term temporary visas or a lottery system 

11 minutes ago, tostar said:

Yes, a typo! Meant May 2017 applications

Well they’ve started May 2017  but as May and June 2017 have around 9000 applications it’s still  going to take a long time. In fact there are some applicants from February 2017 and later months still waiting  for their grant.   
There  does seem to have been a general slow down in grants despite  a new financial year starting 1st July. It almost feels as though there’s a “go slow”  until the govt announcement about the future of parent visas later this year - perhaps in the budget in October 

2 hours ago, Ollie1234 said:

Here's the link to the report which includes recommendations for the parent visas going forwards: The Parent Conundrum: Considering Australia’s troubled approach to parent migration

And a bunch of articles that were published when it was released:  

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/parents-may-wait-40-years-052310829.html

Parent visa applications backlogged by the thousands - ABC Melbourne

Parent visa applications backlogged by the thousands - ABC Melbourne

Parents may wait up to 40 years to join family in Australia. Is a visa lottery the answer?

‘They will never be granted the visa in their lifetime’: the families waiting decades to settle parents in Australia

‘Cruel and unnecessary’: The decades-long wait for a visa for your mum

Please share these to keep the articles active. Only with public pressure will the government act. 

I believe Govt have already been in various consultations in May and June and will be making announcements “later this year”

The long wait “for decades” only applies to two of the visas - 103 and 804,  one of which (804)  only makes small contributions but has the huge benefit of being allowed to live onshore during the wait and most seem very happy with that. 103 unfortunately has to wait offshore, which is cruel as it takes the same length of wait time as 804

Its the contributory visas that lose out - big contributions and forced to wait offshore but the articles never seem to make that clear 

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2 hours ago, tostar said:

Checking in to see if anyone with a May 2016 lodgement date for contributory parent visa has had a request for documents?

Presume that’s a typo - May 2016?? 
immi have started on May 2017 applications 

One of the main problems - and it’s Australia’s own fault - is that the uncertainty and delay surrounding offshore visas has led to an absolute boom in 804, especially from China and India who are the top two nations applying for parental visas. UK is third on the list but by quite a big margin. 
Obviously it’s allowed so people will take advantage of that.. But - all those people have to be late sixties in order to even qualify for an onshore visa. So as they all age further Australia is going to face a lot of problems. Most will have to have private health care but that is increasingly expensive and doesn’t always cover certain problems like heart and vascular. Even if people have reciprocal health care it’s going to cost Australia big bucks! It is also discriminatory as it allows elderly applicants to wait onshore whereas younger 143 applicants could still have some working life in them but  have to wait offshore or get temporary visas which do not allow work  

Australia needs to stop the onshore visas now whilst obviously keeping those already waiting. For those waiting offshore, a temporary halt is needed whilst they decide what to do going forward, whether that means increasing the fees or going to a lottery system. They can’t really start a lottery system whilst there is a backlog because it would be unfair for those who have already been waiting years. They may have to bite the  bullet and  temporarily increase the quotas to get rid of the backlog and then start anew with a lottery system - short term pain for long term gain maybe?  I don’t have the answer and really don’t envy the politicians trying to sort out the mess that has been allowed to develop 
 

20 hours ago, VikramM said:

 I should have been clear upfront they were granted bridging visa based on SC804 last year and are in private insurance since then ..

now that they have lived here for about an year they feel it would be good to have Medicare facility that’s part of SC864 and were thinking if this switch of visas is possible with fee adjustment but as I gauge from responses there won’t be any fee adjustment and it would be a fresh application .

Thanks for your prompt response!

You can switch to 864 and keep your queue date but you still won’t get Medicare! Medicare is only given once the visa is actually granted. It’s still likely to take  around 12 years on a bridging visa before 864 would be granted 

1 hour ago, Alan Collett said:

Subclass 864 visa grant today ... lodged Feb 2017.

Hope this gives comfort to all on this thread!

Best regards.

Hi Alan

Thanks for the info  

I (like many) am not sure what is going on at present. Social  media shows some parents still waiting on December 2016 applications whereas some have reported getting grants for May 2017! One well known agent has said their company has actually received requests for further docs for June 2017 applicants 

Given that’s it’s a new financial year there’s usually a flurry of grants at this time - yet it’s very quiet. We know immi can work quickly given how many they got through since the numbers were increased late last year. I know that the govt has said they will announce changes “later this year” after the recent review.  
 

It doesn’t look or sound very promising so far, especially since  there’s been no mention of any increase in the quota. 
 

I would appreciate your thoughts on this thanks 

10 hours ago, DawnySkiddy said:

Hello Alan,

My husband and I applied for our 143 visas nearly 6 years ago. We met with a migration agent last week and he advised that IMMI has stopped processing all aged parent applications due to the current shortage of aged care home workers. He confirmed that this also applies to the 143 visa even although it’s not an aged parent visa.

As you can imagine we’re extremely shocked at this news and can’t find any verification of this information. 

Have you or anyone else heard anything about this?

Well it’s certainly not going to help Australia even if they don’t actually process aged parent applications - there’s thousands already there on bridging visas and immi are still issuing bridging visas to new applicants!! As @Alan Collett said Aged parents can still access aged care even on bridging visas. All that’s likely to do is encourage more to change to 804 and get a bridging visa because even if it’s never granted they are onshore with their families and certain applicants get Reciprocal Health care anyway if from one of 11 countries, which includes UK 

2 hours ago, Garner said:

Hi Everyone,

I’d like some feedback please regarding the following my mums 173 VISA application.
After 6 years in Oct 2022 my mum got the request for Health Exam, Police checks etc.
The Health Exam picked up something that needed further investigation which was cleared but did delay the final submission of all documents until February 2023.
Based off another members journey from this thread @dunken (Congrats) I expect my mum should hear on her application in the next month or two.

I guess we should be excited as her long wait appears to be coming to an end and I understand many others would love to be this close. 

Crazy as this sounds, I can’t help thinking should she withdraw her 173 application, then travel here on a holiday VISA and apply for the 804 Aged Parent VISA.

Reasons are, she is 77 now and her lifestyle is very different to when she applied, she won’t leave Australia once she’s here with me. 
The additional VISA cost plus the requirement to apply for the 143 after 2 years is far more expensive that the 804, to me the money saved will go along way to pay for other things she will need.

I do understand applying for the 804 will mean she goes on a bridging VISA and not become a permanent resident.  We are planning for her to live with me so she won’t need to buy a property or anything. 
 

What are the other pros to the 173 I’m missing compared to the 804 path? 

Thanks

Leaving aside any emotional feeling but using cold hard logic this is exactly why Australia doesn’t want parents especially on 804. By the very nature of the visa parents have to be elderly and elderly people develop many problems as they age. So what seems to be a cheap way of living in Australia could end up being very expensive in future years -either for the parents and family themselves or for the Australian taxpayer. For example paying for a hip operation would cost the parent around $40000 - nearly the price of a contributory visa! Allowing the length of the contributory queue to drag out has created a huge number of elderly people applying for and living in Australia on 804 which is not financially viable unfortunately especially if they also get Reciprocal Health Care. This is the dilemma currently facing the govt. They understand that people would like their parents with them, especially in the cultures where extended families are the norm. But there has been a recent explosion in the numbers using 804. . Even if the parents fail the Medicals a few years down the line it’s very difficult for Australia to tell them to leave - there would be numerous stories in the media! 

I don’t know the answer - ending 804 would stop more entering Australia but would cause arguments in Parliament re human rights etc. 

It’s a problem facing the whole world - an increasingly ageing population. Contributory visas do make a contribution towards medicare but realistically it doesn’t cover the potential costs. And I say all this as someone who’s already waited 6 years for their visa - and still waiting! 

3 minutes ago, Rosiejaq said:

I realised a few months ago that I hadn’t linked my new passport, just faxed off form 929 

Thought that was for visas not yet granted - it can be done online in immi 

3 minutes ago, Peter2 said:

I think you need to submit Form 929 so that the department can link your visa to the new passport. The details of how to submit should be on the form.

No it’s done on your immi account 

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/change-in-situation/passport-details

On 17/07/2023 at 10:31, RachelH-B said:

Our daughter and partner are living in Brisbane on a 190 visa that they got this year. Our other daughter is hoping to move to Australia as a police officer with a state organised visa in the next year or so. What are the pathways for myself and my husband to join them? We are both early sixties and retired. Anything considered....

Your daughter needs to be considered as PR and being “settled”   Immi usually say it’s 2 years or 4 years for the long term 870 visitor visa and would need to be earning $84k to be accepted as your sponsor. . You are too young for the onshore visa as one of you has to be aged 67 years. The offshore 143 is currently taking 12 years. Only 6800 grants per year and already around 84k in the queue 
The Australian govt commissioned a review into all parent visas and the report is now available. It makes very depressing reading. They may move to a lottery system or stop permanent visas altogether in favour of temporary visas. . They will decide “later this year” apparently.  

2 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

Can anyone confirm something for me please.  I have my 143 visa and will be replacing my passport soon as it’s due to expire shortly.  I assume I don’t need to inform immigration of my new passport details and that my visa will automatically carry over onto my new passport?

I’m not sure how but you do need to link your grant to your passport as it’s the way to confirm you are PR. I think you can change  your passport number in your VEVO account in immi 

5 hours ago, Anks said:

Hi all,

does anyone know how long does a sponsorship application lasts for 870?

Do we need to do a fresh new sponsorship application if the previous 870 is expired.

Thanks

As fair as I’m aware the sponsorship only lasts for the duration of the 870 that was granted. Applicant has to leave Australia for 90 days before they can reapply etc. 
 

This is because circumstances can change for both sponsor and applicant in the years since first application eg sponsor no longer meets the income amount needed or perhaps applicant has more medical issues , all sorts of things could change 

1 hour ago, Sheila2010 said:

Hi, So a relative told me this week that they have spoken to two migration agents in Oz and both said Parent Visas will no longer exist in July, so if an application is not made before then, there is no chance my parent will able to live permanently in Oz. I know changes are planned but does anyone know what they are and when they will come into effect? (UK based.) Thanks.

Sounds more like they’re trying to dissuade someone from applying ! Govt couldn’t just withdraw the visas as that would require legislation - but they could potentially put a temporary stop on new applications for a while to sort out what they want to do about the backlog. If any,  it’s likely to be 804 as there’s been a recent explosion in applications for that visa I believe and govts do not like this visa. 

On 15/06/2023 at 00:30, InnerVoice said:

I'm not sure if the rules are different for retirees but it's my understanding that you need to be resident in Australia for 10 years to be eligible for the Age (Australian state) pension, with one uninterrupted period of residence of at least 5 years.

Australian state pension is all means tested so it’s not a given ! 

5 minutes ago, Juliet7 said:

I keep checking to see If there’s progress for you Linda!

I’m afraid not. On current progress it’s not likely to happen until towards the end of next year - so another 18 months or so!! 
just seems never ending

20 minutes ago, Juliet7 said:

Even I received the request and I withdrew my application some time ago!!

Even people who had already been granted a few months ago got it as.well ! 

13 minutes ago, amsaini15 said:

Hello everyone.. I have recently received email from Immi asking for confirmation if details on my parents 143 application is still current. I think this is just before they will send request next request. 

Can anyone advise how much time does Immi give in their request for AoS, medical and police clearance request? Does the letter has any deadline to submit all? 

I’m sorry but practically everybody got this one. It was a glitch in the dept. Agents got loads!!