8503 condition on an active 143 application

[Rex]

Hi - does having an active 143 visa application enforce an 8503 condition on subsequent visitor visas (including tourist stream) ?

• Would like to apply for a 143 visa now to lock in the second VAC
• Parents would then continue to travel here on visitor visas (tourist streams)

Will the 8503 automatically kick in OR is there a high probability of an 8503 since they already have an active 143 application ?

Reason for asking is that we're exploring the possibility of applying for an 864 visa after they arrive here on a tourist stream visitor visa AND there's no 8503

Thanks

[LindaH27]

1 hour ago, Rex said:

Hi - does having an active 143 visa application enforce an 8503 condition on subsequent visitor visas (including tourist stream) ?

• Would like to apply for a 143 visa now to lock in the second VAC
• Parents would then continue to travel here on visitor visas (tourist streams)

Will the 8503 automatically kick in OR is there a high probability of an 8503 since they already have an active 143 application ?

Reason for asking is that we're exploring the possibility of applying for an 864 visa after they arrive here on a tourist stream visitor visa AND there's no 8503

Thanks

The 8503 is nothing to do with 143 - it’s applied to visitor visas - and can be pot luck whether it’s applied or not. You can’t hold 143 and 864 application at same time. You would have to withdraw 143, lose the application fee, apply for 864 and start the queue date again. Given that it could  take 18 years for grant of either 143 or 864 that’s a long time with no Medicare if on a bridging visa. 
 

The number in the queue are here https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/contributory-parent-visa-application-numbers-updated/

[Marisawright]

26 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:

Given that it could  take 18 years for grant of either 143 or 864 that’s a long time with no Medicare if on a bridging visa. 

If they are resident in the UK immediately before arriving in Australia, they'll be covered by basic reciprocal Medicare which sounds limited but in practice, will be enough (unless they decide to tighten up the regulations, which they might - they are pretty generous at the moment).  

However there are several other downsides to living in Australia on a bridging visa for the rest of their lives.  The main one @Rex should consider is that when they get frail, is he prepared to take on full-time caring with no support, since they won't be entitled to any help with aged care? 

[LindaH27]

3 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

If they are resident in the UK immediately before arriving in Australia, they'll be covered by basic reciprocal Medicare which sounds limited but in practice, will be enough (unless they decide to tighten up the regulations, which they might - they are pretty generous at the moment).  

 

A good explanation is here 

https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/bridging-visa-holders-and-medicare-in-australia/

[Rex]

On 01/03/2022 at 09:14, LindaH27 said:

The 8503 is nothing to do with 143 - it’s applied to visitor visas - and can be pot luck whether it’s applied or not. You can’t hold 143 and 864 application at same time. You would have to withdraw 143, lose the application fee, apply for 864 and start the queue date again. Given that it could  take 18 years for grant of either 143 or 864 that’s a long time with no Medicare if on a bridging visa. 
 

The number in the queue are here https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/contributory-parent-visa-application-numbers-updated/

Thanks Linda. I understand we cannot hold a 143 and 864 at the same time - the thought was to apply for a 143 to lock in the second installment and then if the parents do decide to move here in a few years, to have them travel on a tourist visa and then apply for an 864. Also understand the 143 fees we'll be losing.

The current wait times on a 143 make it pointless in our circumstances, hence the plan for an 864.

[Rex]

On 01/03/2022 at 09:43, Marisawright said:

If they are resident in the UK immediately before arriving in Australia, they'll be covered by basic reciprocal Medicare which sounds limited but in practice, will be enough (unless they decide to tighten up the regulations, which they might - they are pretty generous at the moment).  

However there are several other downsides to living in Australia on a bridging visa for the rest of their lives.  The main one @Rex should consider is that when they get frail, is he prepared to take on full-time caring with no support, since they won't be entitled to any help with aged care? 

Fair point Marisa. It's full-time caring/no support here vs no family/no support back home.

Not ideal to live on a bridging visa forever, but seems like the 864 is still a better option than the 870 for now, considering we're determined to push through to getting the parents with us.

[Rex]

Any idea on costs for healthcare for seniors ? Does it vary largely based on age/pre-existing conditions ? Will obviously look up the details myself, but just wondering if someone has aged parents here on private insurance on what it's like regarding the premiums.

Thanks

[LindaH27]

2 minutes ago, Rex said:

Thanks Linda. I understand we cannot hold a 143 and 864 at the same time - the thought was to apply for a 143 to lock in the second installment and then if the parents do decide to move here in a few years, to have them travel on a tourist visa and then apply for an 864. Also understand the 143 fees we'll be losing.

The current wait times on a 143 make it pointless in our circumstances, hence the plan for an 864.

Yes you could do that. But as you would have to withdraw 143 in order to apply 864 you will not only lose your 143 queue date and start again,  you also lose the “locked  in 2nd visa charge”  and start a new 2nd vac at whatever the new charge would be at the time of applying for 864. You don’t get to keep the original locked in 2nd vac. 

[LindaH27]

6 minutes ago, Rex said:

Any idea on costs for healthcare for seniors ? Does it vary largely based on age/pre-existing conditions ? Will obviously look up the details myself, but just wondering if someone has aged parents here on private insurance on what it's like regarding the premiums.

Thanks

Yes it takes pre existing into account and is very expensive for over 70s. In fact I think there’s  only one company that will  cover 70s but unsure which one. Allianz maybe? Don’t think Bupa will.  Also don’t forget on 864 they  have to pass a medical 2-3 years after applying for it in order to be put  into the queue. If one parent fails both parents fail  

 

Also the senate enquiry  into parent visas is due to report at the end of the months. So there could be changes  ahead  for parent visas as Australia isn’t very keen on them at all. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by LindaH27

[Rex]

Yeah - if we do decide to go ahead with the 864 in the future, it will be a confirmed decision with no looking back. So the 143 and the 2nd installment would not really matter to us anymore.

But we're realistic about the 864 costs going up too by the time we decide to apply, hence trying to lock in a 143 if we then decide not to pursue an 864 anymore and just continue with the 143.

[Rex]

2 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:

Yes it takes pre existing into account and is very expensive for over 70s. In fact I think there’s  only one company that will  cover 70s but unsure which one. Allianz maybe? Don’t think Bupa will.  Also don’t forget on 864 they  have to pass a medical 2-3 years after applying for it in order to be put  into the queue. If one parent fails both parents fail  

Thanks Linda - the info helps

[LindaH27]

3 minutes ago, Rex said:

Yeah - if we do decide to go ahead with the 864 in the future, it will be a confirmed decision with no looking back. So the 143 and the 2nd installment would not really matter to us anymore.

But we're realistic about the 864 costs going up too by the time we decide to apply, hence trying to lock in a 143 if we then decide not to pursue an 864 anymore and just continue with the 143.

Yes I understand but either way a new application  for either of those visas is likely to take around 18 years for grant plus the worry  of failing the medical for queue date of 864 2-3 years after applying for it 

Edited March 6, 2022 by LindaH27

[Rex]

1 minute ago, LindaH27 said:

Yes I understand but either way a new application  for either of those visas is likely to take around 18 years for grant 

Yes, with either of the visas, we're aware there's a possibility it may never be granted.

[LindaH27]

1 minute ago, Rex said:

Yes, with either of the visas, we're aware there's a possibility it may never be granted.

Don’t forget on 143 they don’t have to pass a medical till they start processing it. On 864 it’s 2-3 years after applying so any failure to pass could prove difficult to find a solution for. Given that the wait is now so long and many people are therefore swopping to the onshore visas it wouldn’t surprise me if the senate enquiry decided to make some changes to those as they don’t want too many old people on bridging visas.   

[Rex]

2 hours ago, LindaH27 said:

Don’t forget on 143 they don’t have to pass a medical till they start processing it. On 864 it’s 2-3 years after applying so any failure to pass could prove difficult to find a solution for. Given that the wait is now so long and many people are therefore swopping to the onshore visas it wouldn’t surprise me if the senate enquiry decided to make some changes to those as they don’t want too many old people on bridging visas.   

That is my worry - a high probability of that decision in the senate enquiry.