The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Looking for some advice regarding my hubby's qualifications. We are hoping to apply for a 189 visa, my hubby is a Mechanical Engineer who has worked in the oil and gas sector for just over 30 years, problem is he doesn't have a degree but has had his qualifications assessed by the institute of mechanical engineers (ImecE) and been accredited with IENG (incorporated engineer), has anyone used this accreditation as part of there skills assessment. If needed he is pretty confident he could be reassessed by ImecE again to get his CENG, which would then give him CENG (chartered engineer). We have looked on the ImecE website which says that they have an agreement with the institute of engineers Australia and that ImecE is a member of the Washington and Sydney Accord, the problem is I have now read so much info that I am now so confused and can't seem to get my brain into gear to work out what we now need to do, so really as I have already asked the question (I think, brain freeze at the moment) is - has anyone used this accreditation and how easy was the skill assessment using this qualification? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Looking for some advice regarding my hubby's qualifications. We are hoping to apply for a 189 visa, my hubby is a Mechanical Engineer who has worked in the oil and gas sector for just over 30 years, problem is he doesn't have a degree but has had his qualifications assessed by the institute of mechanical engineers (ImecE) and been accredited with IENG (incorporated engineer), has anyone used this accreditation as part of there skills assessment. If needed he is pretty confident he could be reassessed by ImecE again to get his CENG, which would then give him CENG (chartered engineer). We have looked on the ImecE website which says that they have an agreement with the institute of engineers Australia and that ImecE is a member of the Washington and Sydney Accord, the problem is I have now read so much info that I am now so confused and can't seem to get my brain into gear to work out what we now need to do, so really as I have already asked the question (I think, brain freeze at the moment) is - has anyone used this accreditation and how easy was the skill assessment using this qualification? Thanks Should read MIMechE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yes my hubbies a member of the imeche ...and EA ....charterterd engineer ....I don't understand what u saying though ...he hasn't a degree what quals as he got and do they come under Washington accord ....imeche and engineers australia do have reciprocal agreements ...you may Afto go the CD-R ..route ...my hubby just sent his quals off to EA and experience no dramas within a couple of days he had his skill assessment through to work in Australia as a skill level one . But I'm not quite sure what u saying lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srh82 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 If he has been in industry 30 years, would he be too old to get enough points for a 189 visa? Have ver you worked out whether you can get 60 points. Age is part of point calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Alls I know is my hubby started off as a apprentice in a engineering company when he left school .....he then did his btec national ....then hnc ....then he sat the engineering council exams part 2 ....then he applied for chartered status ...he did 10 yrs at college aswell as working in his field and became chartered with the imeche at the age of 29 ....he didn't have to do the CD-R route it was just excepted by engineers australia . So I'm not sure what exams ya other half has got , I know they have stopped doing the engineering council exams now my hubby sat them in year 2000 when he passed and became chartered in 2001 it was about 4 yrs the ECUK exams if u failed u were off the course there were no second chances lol something like that anyway ECUK set the standard he had to do a design of something prove his design ...and go in front of a panel from the imeche at Aston university ...I remember cus I was sat outside waiting for him he was gone hours lol Edited March 15, 2015 by Shellybingobingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Alls I know is my hubby started off as a apprentice in a engineering company when he left school .....he then did his btec national ....then hnc ....then he sat the engineering council exams part 2 ....then he applied for chartered status ...he did 10 yrs at college aswell as working in his field and became chartered with the imeche at the age of 29 ....he didn't have to do the CD-R route it was just excepted by engineers australia . So I'm not sure what exams ya other half has got , I know they have stopped doing the engineering council exams now my hubby sat them in year 2000 when he passed and became chartered in 2001 it was about 4 yrs the ECUK exams if u failed u were off the course there were no second chances lol something like that anyway ECUK set the standard he had to do a design of something prove his design ...and go in front of a panel from the imeche at Aston university ...I remember cus I was sat outside waiting for him he was gone hours lol Thanks for the reply, same as my hubby started as an apprentice etc etc, hubby has emailed engineers Australia, so hopefully will hear from them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Thanks for the reply, same as my hubby started as an apprentice etc etc, hubby has emailed engineers Australia, so hopefully will hear from them soon. Best thing to do good luck ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Best thing to do good luck ... Thank you again for taking the time to reply x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Sorry should have been 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hi I spoke to my hubby ...he recognises the ieng ...as a recognised professional status ...u are doing the right thing contacting EA ....utimately you should be fine ...the worse case u may have to do a CD-R ...which takes a little longer but no biggy ...he's got 20 yrs experience anyway should be ok . He said said only down side is there is not much work around ATM ...alot of engineers out of work ...but by the time u get ya visa , and decided to come out things may have turned around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hi I spoke to my hubby ...he recognises the ieng ...as a recognised professional status ...u are doing the right thing contacting EA ....utimately you should be fine ...the worse case u may have to do a CD-R ...which takes a little longer but no biggy ...he's got 20 yrs experience anyway should be ok . He said said only down side is there is not much work around ATM ...alot of engineers out of work ...but by the time u get ya visa , and decided to come out things may have turned around Hubby had heard that there wasn't much work but it's the same here, he works for an oil company at the moment, been a lot of redundancies in the oil sector at the moment, but I suppose at the end of the day is any job safe!!! Can I ask where you livin in Australia and what field your hubby is employed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hubby had heard that there wasn't much work but it's the same here, he works for an oil company at the moment, been a lot of redundancies in the oil sector at the moment, but I suppose at the end of the day is any job safe!!! Can I ask where you livin in Australia and what field your hubby is employed in. we was in perth , in oil and gas , then he got put on short Time 4 days in wa ....then he got offered a job pretty quickly in brissie , working on APlng project at condubri , carnt spell it lol , my hubby is mechanical design ...hasn't really done much design since being here due to being no projects or shelved or he's gone in after the designs been done ...basically lol . He was on site in qld doing the quality and whatever else he does haha ....and after Xmas when he went back there was nothing to book to ...wanted him hang on but he's glad he didn't because staff got laid off last week ...so he's now in wa took a engineering managers job for a hydraulics and pipe work company . In uk it didn't matter so much because he worked in water , power , nuclear and defence industry's so if he could see one drying up he'd flit to another ...here water laying off , oil and gas laying off and mining laying off , I mean just get ya visas and do ya research that's all I'm saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 we was in perth , in oil and gas , then he got put on short Time 4 days in wa ....then he got offered a job pretty quickly in brissie , working on APlng project at condubri , carnt spell it lol , my hubby is mechanical design ...hasn't really done much design since being here due to being no projects or shelved or he's gone in after the designs been done ...basically lol . He was on site in qld doing the quality and whatever else he does haha ....and after Xmas when he went back there was nothing to book to ...wanted him hang on but he's glad he didn't because staff got laid off last week ...so he's now in wa took a engineering managers job for a hydraulics and pipe work company . In uk it didn't matter so much because he worked in water , power , nuclear and defence industry's so if he could see one drying up he'd flit to another ...here water laying off , oil and gas laying off and mining laying off , I mean just get ya visas and do ya research that's all I'm saying Yes think we will just plough on and see where we end up. We did spend a year (2009) in Melbourne and we have been hooked ever since but just never got round to doing anything about it. Hope all goes well with your hubby's job and you settle in Brissie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Lol I hopeso too and he's in wa I'm in qld he's coming see me in 4 week then I'm going out to him after that for a bit ...my kids r older fend for themself ....lol ....but carnt do much till my lad finishes school so I'll be back and forth ...yes it's a case of doing ya research too ...look at oil and gas news on internet ...and every news going really about everything haha sorry the new job is back in wa that's y he's there again lol ! Edited March 15, 2015 by Shellybingobingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I would get professional advice from a registered migration agent. There a few issues, without any formal qualifications just going by number of years experience it will be very difficult for you to pass the points test. Also being chartered with IMechI will not let you go down the Washington accord route without the accredited degree. My oh is chartered by iMechI but masters was not covered by Washington Accord therefore needed to go down the CDR route. Being chartered with IMechI allows you to register for chartership with EA as far as I know. Plus without a degree qualification, I do not think you will be able to apply for professional engineer and will have to look at possibly engineering technologist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 I would get professional advice from a registered migration agent. There a few issues, without any formal qualifications just going by number of years experience it will be very difficult for you to pass the points test. Also being chartered with IMechI will not let you go down the Washington accord route without the accredited degree. My oh is chartered by iMechI but masters was not covered by Washington Accord therefore needed to go down the CDR route. Being chartered with IMechI allows you to register for chartership with EA as far as I know. Plus without a degree qualification, I do not think you will be able to apply for professional engineer and will have to look at possibly engineering technologist. Thanks for your reply, hubby has emailed EA with a few questions so hopefully we will know where we are soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Thanks for your reply, hubby has emailed EA with a few questions so hopefully we will know where we are soon But the other problem as with no formal qualifications there will be no points making it difficult to pass the the points test. eA will not be able,to help with this which is why you should take professional help from a registered migration agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Hi there , the engineering council is the governing body for all engineering courses in the uk ....they vet all universities ...alot of degree courses in the uk in some universities ...were designed to be more appealing to candidates because they had a good pass rate . The engineering council would not except these degree course because they didn't meet the standard throughout the rest of the world ...The engineering council set there own standard in terms of course and examinations ...the engineering council exams wasn't popular because the pass rate was under 20percent ....my husband passed the engineering council exams which guarenteed him chartered status in uk ...as passing the national governing bodies exams would do . My husband has mentored engineers in uk ...even a masters degree does not guarentee you chartered status , and infact the only way some students could achieve chartered status was by doing a matching section , which usually involved doing 2 or 3 engineering council exams. The engineering council is fully recognised by engineers australia ....passing exams by the governing body of the uk doesn't get any better than that . . He didn't do CD-R route engineers australia he filled form in and it was excepted . By all means go to a professional migration agent and get advice as we did ......they didn't understand my husbands qualifications ....so my hubby went direct to EA and no problem after that . Edited March 15, 2015 by Shellybingobingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stewarts Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hi there , the engineering council is the governing body for all engineering courses in the uk ....they vet all universities ...alot of degree courses in the uk in some universities ...were designed to be more appealing to candidates because they had a good pass rate . The engineering council would not except these degree course because they didn't meet the standard throughout the rest of the world ...The engineering council set there own standard in terms of course and examinations ...the engineering council exams wasn't popular because the pass rate was under 20percent ....my husband passed the engineering council exams which guarenteed him chartered status in uk ...as passing the national governing bodies exams would do . My husband has mentored engineers in uk ...even a masters degree does not guarentee you chartered status , and infact the only way some students could achieve chartered status was by doing a matching section , which usually involved doing 2 or 3 engineering council exams. The engineering council is fully recognised by engineers australia ....passing exams by the governing body of the uk doesn't get any better than that . . He didn't do CD-R route engineers australia he filled form in and it was excepted . By all means go to a professional migration agent and get advice as we did ......they didn't understand my husbands qualifications ....so my hubby went direct to EA and no problem after that . Thanks for explaining, saved me a job, lol. My hubby is also a registered mentor for them and as you say having a masters is no guarantee to a chartered status. We are just going to see what EA comes back with. Can I also ask do you not sleep? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Thanks for explaining, saved me a job, lol. My hubby is also a registered mentor for them and as you say having a masters is no guarantee to a chartered status. We are just going to see what EA comes back with. Can I also ask do you not sleep? Lol Chartership status and migration skills assessment are 2 completely different things, try not to get these 2 confused. DIBP have classified mechanical engineer as ANZCO SKILL LEVEL 1 occupation which requires a degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Hi lebourvellec , my husband has the papers from engineers australia ....to work in Australia as skill level one .....the exams he took are accredited ....under the Washington accord ....haha the Stewarts I do sleep but not a lot I am the worlds worst sleeper I think lol some engineers haven't heard of them but a lot have and they never wanted to attempt them lol Edited March 15, 2015 by Shellybingobingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 The Washington accord and Sydney accords recognise the substantial equivalence of accredited engineering technology education programmes .... engineering council exams are excepted by the majority of Washington and Sydney accord signatories , as a recognised pathway to meeting the academic requirements ....however not all signatories except them nor do they except all combinations of subjects sat , so depending what subjects were sat will determine if the signatory applied for excepts ....in my hubbies case they excepted lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 My hubbie has since been offered Fimeche but he hasn't bothered because doesn't make any differance , I know what u say llebervellac , there are other professional engineering institutes ....what are not as good as imeche to get in the imeche will not be a walk in the park for any engineer so whoever gets in there must of proved their competence orelse there is Noway on this earth would they have got in there ....uk has different institutions for each discipline ....EA is all rolled into one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Obviously my oh was ceng in uk registered and he's cpeng here .....if the op is ieng and want to get cpeng here he will av to do the relevant pathway to get it ....but I don't know what he has got in the first place lol after all that . But that still won't stop him getting his visa to work in Australia . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 IENG the Stewarts comes under Sydney accord take a look and the let us know how u get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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