Blue Flu

15 hours ago, Bobj said:

Apologies to the scribe that started this thread, but one has to put petulant puppies in their. Place.

Cheers, Bobj.

You must be confused with your dialogue with those fish you hope to one day catch, by sweet talking them. I can only imagine communicating with fish on a daily basis may well provoke such warped conclusions. 

14 hours ago, Bobj said:

@Blue Flu You seem to have a habit of taking any thread and going off track to suit your own agenda. If you want to start your own thread, that is fine, but just comply with the scribe’s thread, there’s a good chap. 
 On reflection, you must have been really upset to find your retort to me being erased and having to repeat your minor tirade.

Cheers, Bobj.

I have no agenda and no not upset  but I will say out of fairness both comments should have been erased (although don't agree any should have) I do though place value on stating the truth, be that through experience on a personal level or perhaps an opinion, but never the less, I don't tend to 'put down' another's comments, but explain why don't agree. I don't believe I take off track certain anti social issues accruing around me in posts that are highlighting life and conditions in Australia. It is a reality and paints a different shade of hue , regardless if some prefer a Disney like Lotus Land interpretation of living Down Under. 

At the end of the day though you still flew here (who knows just what misery you experienced prior to touching these shores?) I was born here. Hence even with very long absences, have witnessed the many changes some positive, but many most concerning. 

I have had rentals for six months in the past (didn't want twelve months) but that was quite some time ago. I would suggest in times of high rental demand , letting agents would have less inclination to do so when so many are knocking on their door looking for rentals. 

As others have already suggested, it would be in your own interest to inspect the property to ensure it is suitable for your requirements. There are numerous localities , probably best avoided , which may attempted to be palmed off by unscrupulous agents , this may be not solely anti social issues, but logistics as well.  which may be difficult to get info on from afar. 

Probably a short term weekly basis rental such as Air B&B or house sitting for a few weeks may be a better solution. 

On 02/04/2023 at 18:16, HappyHeart said:

I don’t think that is a fair comment. Much as I love Australia. Shit still stinks here. It’s all extremely subjective 

Thing being many for reasons best known to themselves have an inability to accept differing views. You are correct. Australia has considerable issues. Constantly sweeping it under the carpet is selling this country very short and ensuring greater problems in the future. Not all is subjective. Some is some is fact. 

On 22/03/2023 at 13:54, Bobj said:

Here we go again! Same garbage spouted when a young couple want to start a new life in a country they love.

@Blue Flujust put a sock in it, mate, all you seem to do is whinge about everyrhing Austalian and then rabbit on about global politics.

Get out of the rut and enjoy life, there’s a good lad.

Cheers, Bobj.

As I attempt to respect your view, partly due to your age but mostly because all are entitled to their view. It has been a few

 time now where my world view (mostly based on fact) has apparently provoked you enough to provoke such a response. I am not your mate, so please use a little politeness when responding to a post of mine. You don't have to agree obviously , but no need to show fangs like a rabid dog. How about I express my reality    and you stick to yours . Fair enough? I ttttought I'd already replied to this post but may have been removed. 

A very big business in WA with so much now around mental health. There should not be a problem finding work. Not sure just what you mean by home working?? (Lots are doing it but not strictly above board. ) With such a massive drug problem (more directed towards mental  heath than the legal system these days , along with a high incidence of young people experiencing difficulty, you won't be bored. I worked in crisis care for a time and found it generally okay apart from elements of the system in place and internal politics. I had an Irish friend, doing community work and she preferred it to a hospital setting , but she moved on several years ago. Others may be in a position to give a more recent insight into how working conditions are.  

3 minutes ago, ramot said:

Best this thread is closed down, it’s not achieving anything except a platform for a poster.

One may assume it's on it's last legs anyway. Not sure why you torture yourself to such an extent. But thanks for your contribution in support of differing points of view , regardless of the obvious 'conflict' from within. 

By the way, any hints on which poster on here is seeking a platform? I can't figure it out for the life of me. Getting more like Speakers Corner by the day. 

Lets see now. Heart Surgery Waitlist Blow Out in WA's main hospital . Average wait for cardiothoracic surgery was 95 days in March, compared to 24 days in the same month back in 2017. 

On 25/05/2023 at 13:44, Bulya said:

No thanks, we’re doing just fine 

After  reflection if you at any time have a change of mind ......

3 hours ago, InnerVoice said:

Or me, for trashing my post on retiring to Tassie. I spent our entire holiday checking places for meth houses!

Shameful. If you were looking out for meth houses you most likely went to the wrong place. (or not quite the right place)  Now if that is what you were in the market for, you should have consulted with me. I'm aware it probably passed you by, my fault for not mentioning it more, but could have set you up with enough of those houses to last you  a life time. On the other hand if wanted to avoid such establishments, then probably not your man. 

6 hours ago, Marisawright said:

I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of your view on the health system.  Did you not read @dilby's post, where he was so fed up of the long debate about the health system,  that he has felt obliged to unsubscribe from his own thread?  DrDougster had the grace to apologise for taking the thread off-topic, whereas your response was to try to keep the debate going. How rude.  I am disappointed in you as I thought you had some courtesy.

Oh dear. Apologise  for what exactly?  A poster is fully entitled to remove themselves at will from a thread surely?  Your scorn may tread water better, if addressed to the poster responding to  my outlining of short comings within the WA Health system.  A rather crass and rude reply which obviously enticed a reply in response. They did not put a counter arguement against any of what was written. Simply because they were unable. (hence it was not of topic) That was what made me wonder if they were part of the recruitment process in attempting NHS staff Down Under. 

You will obviously note perhaps with a better sentiment, that I took the time out to respond with courtesy and explanation to your post.  Trust can expect better responses  (less finger waving and faux outrage )from you in future posts. 

3 minutes ago, BendigoBoy said:

Amazing where some cocks end up when they escape the farmyard.

Thought much the same myself. Even more so perhaps to those that remain all their natural in the dark  as a battery hen. World view a touch dubious though. 

17 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

@Blue Flu, I was waiting for your apology to the original poster, who has had to unsubscribe from his own thread because you're intent on arguing with someone about a totally different subject.  But oh no, you've got to keep on thumping away.  If you have an argument with another person on someone else's thread, take it to the messaging system.  This forum is not your personal soapbox.

I have no arguement with any individual . Even if they appear to do so with me. So come now  apologise for what exactly? Quite verifiable everything I state. One should never shy from relating the truth, so there it is. If that is labeled 'rambling nonsense' (when as stated readily verifiable) then obviously a response is warranted. You of all people should know, a forum can at times take on elements of a soap box. Anything a bit fleshy , with the grizzle removed (gossip, small talk ) I suppose could fall under such a term under certain circumstances. 

3 minutes ago, ramot said:

Don’t blame you, unfortunately time after time threads are taken over by a poster, and deteriorate into online 

‘I know better than everyone else’ ,

especially if the thread can then include the use of illegal drugs, even if irrelevant to the original post.

I wish you all the best with your decision, both my children followed us here in their 30’s. sadly they don’t have children, but they love their lives here, as does my son and family who are equally happy in Bristol.  No one place suits everyone. The Sunshine Coast is fabulous place to live for families judging by the young families I know., x M

I'm uncertain as to how relating the truth can deteriorate info online. Not my opinion simply relating what is happening on the ground. As for illegal drugs, surely the biggest threat to Australia's future as things stand. 

7 hours ago, DrDougster said:

Sorry you're put off - and apologies if I was to blame. Just fed up with the berating of good local services by a disgruntled individual.

I hope you do move back to Aus. Our five year old absolutely loves her life here. She's so happy and for us we could never give her a comparable quality of life in the UK.

You should say a disgruntled work force. Or large segments of it which has been voicing dissent for a considerable time. Don't attempt to gas light what I write, terming me a disgruntled individual. While I am delighted you find the system to your liking, I can only hope those other participants working within that system find accord with your belief. I would include obviously those of the general seeking  medical assistance in the future. 

I accept you may be from a less than desirable place in UK, that includes a failing NHS and negative experiences accordingly.  hence I am not   critiquing  the high praise  you lavish on the system as you find i and are in awe of it. It's just that those of us that live here have experienced a far better system in the past and a returning Aussie may well not be so endeared to the extent you are in how things have changed. (not only in the health sector, obviously) 

I am as pleased as anyone, that the present state government is attempting to rectify faults within the health system by taking it seriously. Too often things in this state have to be called out , to ensure that the issue is not swept undern the carpet. A bit sad you don't see that. (sure your not a recruiter?) 

10 hours ago, DrDougster said:

How could I be in a better position to answer? I am one of the staff.

I have worked in the NHS and at Sir Charles Gairdner.

I worked in the NHS under the Blair government.

I have never worked as a recruiter.

I actually am on the ground.

 

Just wondering then why your views conflict so much with others on the ground? Just wondering why you are attempting to take me to task for stating clearly the situation within the system? 

If worked under the Blair government pre austerity , you most certainly should have witnessed the decline over past thirteen years due to austerity measures. 

All I have stated is fact. WA government acting in a reactive way as they tend to do, after so much poor publicity over recent years. The Childrens Hospital blow out fiasco not the least among the poor performance displayed to date. 

WE live in hope of improvements in the future. 

2 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

It’s what we are born into.  The NHS is free healthcare from the cradle to the grave.  Pretty much everything medical is free.  If something has always come free is can be a shock to pay for it.  I guess it’s no different from sending kids to school for free.  If parents (here and there) suddenly had to pay for that professional service when they’ve been reassured from the start it was free it would come as a shock.   Some here do have private medical insurance and some that are able do pay for things to speed it up.  Many believe they do pay for that professional service through their taxes.  

Quite so. Britain's NHS was once said to be the envy of the world. With a few changes, it could be restored to at least something along Nordic lines. People will be required to pay more impost and sadly those in a position to do so, appear reluctant at best to contribute to greater equality. 

A World class health system open to all should in my opinion be the most desirable policy a nation can possess. (which should include social care) 

1 hour ago, DrDougster said:

This is just rambling nonsense. 

Take one of your points: "Actually one of our main hospitals, Sir Charles Gairdner, went into code Yellow 144 times alone."

Do you know what this means? It means at that point there's bed pressure. So 144 times there was acute bed pressure that was then resolved. Do you hold this up as an example of a system in crisis?

At Sir Charles Gairdner this year there is big expansion of services. For example, new services to support outpatient antibiotic services, a new CT scanner, four new respiratory specialists and staff to bring down wait times, improve care and all through public funding.

Yes things aren't perfect, they won't be in a public service, but to even draw an analogy to the NHS is bonkers. There will always be underfunded, understaffed areas but you appear to have absolutely no real knowledge of this area beyond that which can be gleaned from a keyboard.

Rambling nonsense that unfortunately you have not in a position to  answer . I know exactly what Yellow Code means. How patronising , even if unable to rebuke any thing that was suggestive that the system was in trouble. Talk to some of the staff and discover at least among some of them the disgruntlement of woprking conditions. 

Of course there has been a big expansion in services. There had to be after years of decline .Hence the massive drive recently for staff in UK and Ireland , not only to replace the lack of specialists and nurses, but an attempt to drive up police numbers who are leaving in record numbers and teachers . 

You are wrong again. The NHS under the Blair government was quite well funded. You could check out how waiting times have escalated and conditions declined under the Tory austerity. (you may need to acquire that through a key board though of course) 

While some changes are most definitely needed there is no reason why the NHS needs to be permanently under funded and under staffed. Britain will have the health service it deserves. That may well require changes in how it is funded. A Scandinavian model could be the way forward . Not necessary to go down the American route.

I wonder if this poster is a recruiter of overseas  NHS staff? It does sound a little sus to me with the discredit attempt of the reality on the ground?. 

5 hours ago, Bulya said:

Not like that here.  Must be a WA thing…

Well okay..... Another Sandgroper first we'll call it then. Our expertise will no doubt reach out across the miles help you deprived eastern staters out then.  

4 hours ago, InnerVoice said:

In this case the dentist was the person on the desk. She went into some kind of accounting package and knocked out the quote above in a couple of minutes, so I've no complaints about their transparency - only the prices.

I didn't expect a dentist to know of hand the prices charged. For example they may not be set by the dentist (unless own practice) but by who operates the business. I am the same as you. Only the prices hurt . Usually far more than the dental work undertaken these days.

4 hours ago, DrDougster said:

Load of rubbish. The hospital system is absolutely NOTHING like as stretched here as in UK.  Appointment times are much shorter, beds are much more readily available and ED wait times dramatically lower. Schooling options are better, class sizes appear smaller and yah de yah...

You're quite a contributor to unhappiness you know Blue Flu. I'm not sure you actually help anyone with these comments despite your assertions that you "give the other side".

As for schooling, that is a highly debated subject, but one that UK appears to come out better in, judging by comments of those that returned. As mentioned an assault of some description on a WA teacher every forty minutes. (according to recently released stats)  I would imagine I don't fulfill the role as a' salesperson' of/to Australia, but do turn the page over on the selling and advertising of the business of immigration (for that it what it is) and don't expect it will make any difference to anyone whose mind is set, nor really care to, (your choice) but do like to put a side other than the glossy selling. Well observed. 

3 hours ago, DrDougster said:

Load of rubbish. The hospital system is absolutely NOTHING like as stretched here as in UK.  Appointment times are much shorter, beds are much more readily available and ED wait times dramatically lower. Schooling options are better, class sizes appear smaller and yah de yah...

You're quite a contributor to unhappiness you know Blue Flu. I'm not sure you actually help anyone with these comments despite your assertions that you "give the other side".

Well if you were/are a doctor, one may assume you would be wise to the situation. I never claimed it was as stretched as UK , just on a similar path. It is hard to match twelve years of Tory austerity. Even then it would depend on where exactly in the UK one lives as to the treatment.

Now I refer to WA. Actually it was The Health Minister Cook who stated in 2022, (while addressing nurses)  " We know that staff are struggling. WE know morale is low. We know that the system is under pressure"

500 Code Yellows over 2021-22. (Ramping crisis. Well discussed over the media surprised you missed it)  Actually one of our main hospitals, Sir Charles Gardiner, went into Code Yellow 144 times alone.

Maternity Hospital King Edward Memorial had 30 code Yellows.

7000 hours paramedics made to wait to transfer their patents to care of hospitals. That was just for the month of July 2022.There was reported inadequate funding over the five years that the present government was in power. 

2,463 ambulance ramping's just in first 11 days of August 2022.

Man power shortages included..

100 Midwives

350 Junior Doctors. 

A senior clinician at that time, predicted "carnage" at WA hospitals . They said "The system is broken and compromised because people are broken at burned out".

Emergency Dept consultants raised their voices as well and told the doctors union that the situation was "dire". 

It would be wrong of me to leave out the death of baby Aishwarya. This highlighted staff shortages and resulted in nearly 1,000 nurses and doctors highlighting the problems that had been raised for years by means of protest. (a result of a 2 hour wait to be seen for medical attention) 

That did provoke a degree of tension between government, hospital administration, staff and union. 

No. Perhaps not yet as bad , as the worst case examples in UK, but bad enough for a wealthy state, with a small population but unable to cope. 

7 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

A lot of people here don’t keep up to date with the visa situation though and give out dangerous mis-information as if it is fact. If I has listened to some people on here I would have thought I stood no chance of getting a visa - luckily I had the sense and resources to engage a migration agent. 

Perhaps a valid point about those having been there for years and having experienced things over time. The issue with that is that it’s often been a long time since they have experienced the UK (or elsewhere) and the rose tint can also operate in reverse!
 

I think what irks me (if I am allowed to say that without everyone getting offended) is a load of people who made a massive life change 30 years ago telling others they couldn’t/shouldn’t/can’t do exactly what they did. 
 

Anyway, I have no desire to monopolise the thread for the OP who seems genuinely to be experiencing a bit of an identity crisis which is probably not uncommon in migrants. Wish them all the best with the fertility struggles too which can’t have been easy. 
 

 

It should be obvious that participants on this forum would not be the ones to consult on the visa situation surely? That is an ever changing scenario of rules and regulations that change with the tides. Increasing one would need 'industry' advise to navigate the process as to keep abreast of changes. 

On 22/05/2023 at 18:28, Cheery Thistle said:

I think some people will likely have been scared away by some of the doom-mongers on here. I stopped posting a while back due to this and lo and behold come back on and it hasn’t changed! I have found other communities to help me on the journey. Can people who are retired with grown families, who emigrated 30 years ago really relate to those doing so now and provide up to date information? Maybe the feelings are the same, but the circumstances are much different. 
 

Living in a ‘nice place’ on a good salary with friends doesn’t necessarily mean you can completely insulate yourself from the rest of society unfortunately. I too have those things but the way the UK is going frightens me. Most of my friends who are ‘happy’ live in this bubble where if it doesn’t affect them they don’t really care, until they have a horrendous experience with healthcare or their kid’s school and realise what’s actually happening.  Never mind trying to get to a dentist or (god forbid) trying to get your bin emptied regularly or access a sports centre. And don’t get me started on the state of our city centres. Unless you live in an affluent pocket, the UK really is on a self-inflicted downward spiral. 

The way Australia is going frightens me. Of course without the benefit of duration of time, the decline may pass somewhat unchecked. Instead of placing scorn on longer term participants, surely they are better placed to take in the changing environment and able to illuminate the situation as stands.

Obviously there is a whole industry out there selling Australia sometimes as some Lotus Land or at best as a vast improvement on UK. It can be for some. I know some that gloat over how well they are doing (especially to relatives remaining in UK) but not always forthcoming in just how that is so. But moving on. We in WA at least, have similar problems to UK , just not yet arrived at their levels of decline (thanks a lot to more than a dozen years of austerity) But then, as here many people are doing very well.  But to further the reasons why things are not so different in the real world is that the hospital system is stretched here as well. WE have the luxury of attracting a lot of UK/Irish nurses though (better pay) so would hate to think how bad it would be otherwise. Still the nurses display disquiet at conditions in recent protests. Teaching? Recent figures showed a teacher is in some form assaulted every forty minutes in a WA school setting. (must admit a result that surprised me) Police? resigning it record numbers and seems unable to stem the flow. Doctors? Close to impossible to find one not charging. Dentists? Expensive .Work? Recent figures show Australians are working some of the longest hours in the world, ( high work stress levels) carry second highest personal debt in the world , (a lot due to having some of the most inflated housing in the world) a pretty much broken rental system,  the highest level of recreational drug use in the world, but besides those few things , the sun shines, the beaches remain attractive and every thing else is hunky dory. 

Thing being in my experience dentists too often don't know (or claim) the price of a particular alleged requirement off hand, and are put out somewhat needing to consult the person on the desk. 

It is difficult to get a price break down at the beginning when not always aware of extras , but of course the standard things are available on request. I go with a 'top' one so am prepared to pay for that. Before present one, experienced the loss of a filling in less than three months, had another loosened which required replacing and earlier allowed a tooth to be extracted , when it could have been saved with a little work. 

Better to pay a bit extra but go with experience and reputation. Or as mentioned save it for Asia and pat less than a third of the price there. (just ensure quality though)