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amazing really as it has been 45 for many years even though people live much longer nowadays and do not automatically retire at 65 !

wow- what a horrific story and I assume it was a liberal government who did this altghough "liberal" is hardly the way to describe them as my daughter in perth always says . My friend's wife actually was not taking that test to get Uk citizenship but to get pernanant residence after her 2 year period . It was a rule brought in by the witch Theresa May , in 2010 after the nasty party got power and she was Home secretary . You will knpw about the Windrush generation too and it was TM's work .

the Tory government does that too and an old friend of mine whose wife from Thailan lived with him in UK for 2 years and then failed the life in UK test and had to return to Thailand . They visit easch otherr twice a year thanks to Theresa May .

yes , I am in Uk which is reason I must adopt a different strategy in conjunction with my daughter . apology accepted . rules change every year of course but there have been no major changes as you might know apart from one not yet introduced , ie sponsor assessment . The other fairly recent one is that sponsor also needs p;olice certificate as well as applicant . For me, suggesting I consult an agent is NOT really advice and fails to answer a specific question I might ask hoping somebody had a similar minor problem . Of course I know agents exist and do not need telling me it is so as if I am too dim to know it ! ( smile ) . When every response pushed me to an agent , it gets a bit irritating even if I was a saint which I am not . It equates to brexiteers here repeating the same nonsense again and again based on what they have seen in Murdoch right wing rags and other rags , ie slogans and soundbits . thanks for good wishes when we commence the process later this year or early next year after seeing more European countries and much more here in "pommyland" .

Not into red flags or blue flags as I am a Lib Dem ! maybe should learn to listen and to understand plain English . of course my wife and I would have lived together at time visa application is lodged and yet another post suggesting an agent who is not necessarily an expert .lET IT DROP PLEASE !!

that is irrelevant as nobody gave advice or assistance on an issue as you know if you read the responses apart from TOOTS unless you say that recommending an agent is "advice" ! Why do you tell a lie by saying i suggested is is an easy process ??. I never said that as obviopusly much preparatory work and I went through it years ago and no problems encountered . So if you wish to be critical of me you can but do not misquote me please . Thanks . it will be quite a while before my wife submits her application and she can do most of it herself anyway with my input as she is fluent in English language and highly intelligent .

yes, it is obselete Toots and even the links give the well know ERROR 404 mesage . Anyway , thanks for trying to help sport .

respectfully i had hoped for a comment or advice on a sp;ecific matter but almost every reply included a suggestion to contact an agent . what advice given are you referring to , advice to get an agent ? i do not take umbrage to use your word but did not come on thread to be told about agentgs as fully aware they exist and of course constantly looking for new business which is understandable . But constantly being advised to contact an agent is mildly irritating with respect . sorry for typing errors . One lie about me saying I did not need to supply evidence is going too far as OF COURSE I never said or intimated that . EVIDENCE is the key to a successful application as anyone knows ! Thanks

by the way , what is your motive by talking nonsen se about visa officer being nice to me and my wife and about NOT needing to provide evidence ? Or do you just enjoy insulting me ? ( wry smile ) . It seems to be about just scoring points with you and acting for agents -comes across like that !

I think that link is quite old Toots and refernce to march 2017 and embassy in Moscow . is it so please ?

I think that link will explain that visa centre is now in serbia I think but no longer necessary to submit application in person nowadays as done online . I think the rules and requirements are the same as devised in OZ and all embassies must comply. If I am wrong ,, pleaase tell me and did you sponsor a russian lady yourself if not impertitant to ask ? you are correct about this forum where every question is answered by saying " get an agent as sounds complicated " ! ( smile )

I will read it later thanks . Of course I do not know everything and not sure why you say that . Just because I never use agents does not mean I know it all but beither do agents who make conflicting statements . anyone reading the notes on government sites knows just ] about everytjhing as they say clearly what type of EVIDENCE is needed . it makes Marisa's comments about me quite ludicrous

now you are being infantile and talking MNONSENSE and shows what you are all about ! iDid I ever say I need not provide evidence ? Stop making such silly comments . I notice you dod not answer my question about the thread but just keep repeating what you have said and pushing the agents .

re. your final p[ara , even the governmemt site states it is whethe a realtionship is genuine and not just the time a couple have lived together . An old man could marry a very young woman and live together for years . the officer would still be suspicious in that situation and earlier posts talked about mail order brides which is obvious and no contribution to the debate but just being passimistic . One would think that only 10% of partner applications succeeded anD it is probably nearer 90 % . be positive and honest with immigration and success likely PLUS being very thorough .

marisawright , so what thread was it on and was it on this site please ? I would be interested to read about it and I assume he still got his or her visa after a lot of hassle . thanking you

macgyver- cheap shot and what are you on about talking about a person being genuine ?!! your comment was childish and are you a genuine human being or from Mars ? ( smile ). fancy bringing the word "genuine" into it and what is your MOTIVE for your insulting comment ? my replies are not abrasive and just saying what I think on matters and it is called " freedom of expression " . Maybe you are a brexiter and like Putin's managed democracy as some brexiters do ! ( smile ) .

as my highly intelligent daughter said " of course an agent will give many reasons why using him or her increases the chance of a successful outcome as it is his living but it is hardly an independant view " . i gave a few reasons in earlier post reasons why some people might wish to use an agent and good luck to them. I never use agents and always do own conveyancing saving myself many thousands of dollars over the years . An agent is just as likely or more likely to make an error as an applicant and , according to one post , a small inadvertant error can lead to a refusal - I seriously doubt that ! If so , even more vital to do the whole job yourself chaecking and re-checking every entry which an agent would not of course have time to do if he or she had a busy workload . where an agent might be useful is to give advice or his opinion on a matter which applicant wants a seciond opinion paying for time agent spends on the matter .

i note the migration chooses years which suit his agenda . is he saying that stats I gave and from a sound source are doctored or lies . statistics, dam statistics as the expression goes ! ( smile ) . The stats on failed appeals include refugees and other categories and I think an appeal against decision on an OFFSHORE partner visa applications is not allowed but I might be wrong .

Marisa , you are just repeating the samw words you said earlier in response to my comment on visa offocer and of course still pishing me and others towards migration agents . Everyv response suggests using an agent without exception which speaks volumes . Even with PMVs , the couple have not known each other for ages and the length of a realtionship in a married situation does not mean it is a more genuine relationship obviously . If it did , why so many divorces ! I think that , whatever question I asked on this thread ,.would be answerdd by suggesting a migration agent ! Eg, is the whole process now done electronically or still necessary to post something to Immigration . I of course know the answer !

and I am not really brilliant on computers even though I need a laptop for derivatives trading . But I just seek help from my clever daughter in Perth if I have an "uploading " or other problem when doing the visa

very funny and I actually think you are not joking . if folk want to use an agent , it is their business but I resent being constantly advised to use an agent as if I was not aware agents existed in almost every walk of life . i prefer not to use an agent and have never had a problem doing own conveyancing in last 45 years when buying or selling property which IMO is slightly more complex than doing a visa application . But painting or anthing practical is beyond me and i pay somebody to do such tasks . Good luck to you too

on migrant agent fees,, I thought it was more than $2000 nowadays but bow to your superior knowledge .

and one can only give fiancial evidence which is possible such as joint bank accounts if country's law allows it , making a WIll with wifec as main beneficiary , second signature on debit and credit cards etc etc . A visa officer does not expect a man or woman to get diviorced and then become a fiancee just to beneft from easier conditions attached to a PMV ! hope not anyway .

ok, forget about feelings or love as can live together anyway. you are saying that almost every case is UNUSUAL but I disagree as more often than not the man and woman would be living in different countries which is precisely why applocant applies for a visa to live in OZ . Even if you are right , suggesting an agent makes no sense as the agent could not change the situation and the text I sent above shows what an agent says is needed and it is covered on the government site anyway , It is just common sense and sets out what evidence is needed giving examples . An applicant can not not change the impossible and an agent can not either. The key word you use is "difficult" but not impossible using COMMON SENSE , If an applicant has a very low IQ and devoid of common sense , then maybe needs an agent and professional advice in everything in life . I am not practical and have to pay a plumber even to fix a dripping tap unfortunately . Someome not capable of doung a visa application could fix my tap easily ! ( smile )

nemisis or anyone . much emphasis on this thread about UNUSUAL cases which need an agent. can anyone give example of an unusual situation as I think that 99% of cases are just the usual " man love woman " or "woman love man " and want to get visa to allow them to llive together in OZ .?? sometimes might be a child of course if aussie citizen had loved abroad with his partner and a returning resident .