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Some people on PR have built business and large asset base here, no one wants to be on a visa when that much is at risk And you don't build that without contributing and employing Aussies

By that principle the government, never make a wrong call. Which governments Do, and it's our right to challenge it

Exactly there was a few months grace / some form of grandfathering that's reasonable and fair to expect

Ok , but they got notice to validate /enter and people that were here went under old rules , they got benifit of "grandfathering "but in this instance , we have people here 4+yrs in some cases 10yr and all of a sudden you gotta do another 3yrs . Grabfthering should apply shifying goalposts is wrong

Exactly , cos in 3 yrs they may make it 8yrs and so on . You can change the rules fair enough, but changing the goal post is different . Anyone eligible/ with PR on 20/4/17 should see it through to completion on the old rules . Otherwise you have no certainty same as playing a soccer match and on 70min one team want to make it 110min game , you can add 20min to all the games in the new season then it's a level playing field

Change was different tho, there was a notice periods and it was for people that didn't have PR prior to the date , wasn't it ?

It's this reason and the whole principle of a retrospective change , there is no security that in 3yrs time they won't make it 8yrs and so on , therefore the theoriectcial possibility you never achieving citizenship. If your on a pathway under a set of rules you should be able follow it to completion chnage tbe rules to anything they like and people have a choice to go down the pathway or not , but not after you have committed everything to it

Not really , if you are on the journey and have PR pre 20/4/17 and they have moved the goal posts what's to say they won't do it again, thereby never achieving citizenship , changes should only apply to new PR approvals . The governemt went abroad to attract certain skills and made representations regarding the route to citizenship , some of these people were the most highly skilled in the world and could have gone to any country it's unreasonable to move the goals posts also a visa is a visa it can be changed its highly unlikely but theoretically possibly all PR's would be cancelled. Not a good position to be in if you have a big asset base built up here. also in a case I know the guy needs to travel to PNG weekly to develop his Australian business that employs Aussies , he spends 2-4 days a week in PNG, he will never comply with the minimum residency requirement if he does this so now has a choice to grow his Australian business and keep people employed in australia or obtain his citizenship , he's talking about closing the business and going back into employment as he wants citizenship asap for the security of assets etc thereby Australian 5people will loose their jobs . Besides all all that the principle of moving The goal posts is unfair and not an Australian value , one of supposed reasons for the changes are to ensure Australian values by all means make the changes it's their country but they should be grandfathered for this with PR

I have same question , applied today 20th about 2pm. I had my year done on pr since feb. what will happen ? Surely there could be an argument you applied at 8am ahead of announcement , wouldn't it surely come into effective as of a certain date in the future , seems very strange it can be back dates and implemented with warning . not to mention it should only apply to new pr approvals people have bought into a pathway and if they are on that pathway they should be able follow it thru, australia campaigned for workers overseas and provided the 3 457 & 1ye pr as a pathway it's now like adding 20min to a soccer match in the 70mim if they wanna make it 110min it should be from the next game