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Hello, I am new to Poms In Oz and just starting out regarding the following migration issue so please bear with me. My hubby, a British and Australian citizen, want to open a new business with a British citizen as his business partner. His business partner, let's call him BP, is currently in Canada and is looking to get an Australian visa so that they can launch this business together. His BP has previously been to Australia on a working holiday and his occupation is not one of those listed on the skilled migration list. He is hoping to apply for a visa under self sponsorship. Has anyone done this before? Any advice on where to begin? Thanks in advance.

The place to begin is with a migration agent as few people would have been down this route.

There are business visas, but these are not designed for people to start a business for the first time, they are designed for people with a substantial track record of running a business, which doesn't sound like it is the case here?

The only "self sponsored" visa I can think you might be referring to is a self sponsored 457. This is a temporary visa and is rare, hence the migration agent advice. Even for a 457, the occupation to be undertaken needs to be on the skills list and the applicant should have skills and experience for that role. Is that the case here? Perhaps you could expand a it more in the nature of the business and the role?

Finally, the business partner needs to know that this is a temporary visa and might want to investigate paths to permanent residency before investing themselves too much in this business. It takes more than the passage of time to secure a permanent visa, you may already know this but many do not so I thought it worth mentioning.

If I've understood it correctly, you would not be able to be primary applicant. Having a qualification to perform the tasks required in an occupation does not mean you are qualified for skilled migration under 189 category. Most skills assessment agencies require at least 1 year employment in the field plus the educational training to be minimally qualified. Another thing to bear in mind is that to claim partner skills the partner has to have a positive skills assessment so the same thing applies with your husband as primary applicant- you need to pass the skills assessment which entails proving both education and work experience. The easiest thing is for your husband to retake the English test. I suggest doing further background reading on how it all works as if you submit your EOI claiming partner points and you can't back this up, then if you're invited to apply for a visa, you are likely to forfeit your application fee

 

 

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You would normally be correct, but not so for an accountant. An accountant (bizarrely) does not require work experience.

As OP and husband would apply under the same occupation, it is better that the one with the highest points score is the main applicant. So long as the degree is sufficient to pass skills assessment, then it should be OP. They could even think about both getting a skills assessment and getting partner points thrown in as accountant skills assessment is not costly and very straightforward.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Having close friends and family in this country is no substitute for actually living here, and at such a distance you cannot experience current affairs in the same way as someone living here.

 

I'm glad to hear that your friends and family are feeling up beat and have no real worries, that must be nice for them. However, you group of contacts are unlikely to be numerous enough to form a representative sample of the UK population. That being the case, their opinions are subjective and hold no more weight than my own equally subjective views and those of anyone else commenting on here.

 

Sorry if that upsets you but as I said at the end of my last post, we are unlikely to be able to ever agree on these things so why not just let it lie now?

Well I am in the UK and I think you are imagining things because you are peeved at losing a vote. There is no evidence of any increased tensions. And as far as I can tell most thing are just going on as they were before. Even many people that I know voted to remain are happily getting on with life.

I was just thinking about the additional costs involved, if the company is prepared to sponsor him. They will have migration agents involved and cover all the costs. It is really a win win for him.

 

Partner visas can be more complicated, and come with the personal costs which is not cheap.

 

My personal view, if the company will sponsor you and you are prepared to stay for the duration, go with that. Why fork out the visa costs from your own pocket if you have no reason to leave and the company will cover it. Also you are not having to justify your relationship.

 

I was not aware of the abolishment, only took a quick look at the site today and just scanned it. Shame really as was a great perk if you could get it.

Partner visas are not more complicated than an employer sponsored visa. They are married, it should be straightforward. There are many more hurdles to jump through for an employer sponsored visa and most companies will not stump up the visa application costs for the permanent employer sponsored visa.

I agree that if the employer is willing to sponsor a permanent visa and is willing to pay the costs then that would be a better plan. I just doubt it very much.

Thanks for the responses guys, looks like the way forward is the 457 and transfer over to partner visa ASAP after that.

All going well should be in Brisbane for the height of the summer!

Probably it was just a figure of speech, but just for clarity you are not going to be "transferring" over to the partner visa. There is no conceot of visa transfers, it is simply a brand new visa application.

Go with Commonwealth bank(not a plug) if you come out on the 457 visa, they were recommended to me as they will issue you a credit card which will help you build up your credit history. Coming over best to bring as much supporting history about your credit background, as all will help(well in my mind it did) ie credit history report, if renting landlord/agency references, if home owner(and going to let it out) details of the rental agreement(think this looks good to estate agents as shows you are a homeowner yourself).

 

As for finance, not really able to comment, as managed in Melbourne for years without really needing a car, but I think you may still be able to apply for a mortgage, not sure if linked in with your visa and date of expiry. Others can comment who probably know. The good thing your NCB will be recognized in Australia, bring a copy even though when I got insurance they accepted my word and never asked to see it.

 

Find out from the company how long they plan to make the visa and if there is a possibly of sponsoring you down the line for PR. If so, this would be the best route as it costs a lot of money and time to do it yourself. Money I suspect you and you partner would find better uses for, downside it does tie you into your company for longer if you have plans on leaving.

 

Find out if your company would offer you the living away from home allowance. Unfortunately my company did not, but other people I chatted too says it makes a BIG difference while it lasts. Would you be resigning from the UK and being hired as a new employee in Australia or just doing a relocation as a new assignment? Not sure if this makes a difference to the LAFHA.

I cannot agree that it would be better to apply for a company sponsored permanent visa rather than a partner visa, it would be far more straightforward for everyone involved to do partner visa (with a 457 for the short term).

And LAFHA was abolished for 457 visa holders years ago!

Hi. I'm a newbie here. I am hoping to get some info about migrating to AUS. We prefer to move all together as a family and I'd like to know about the procedures. Thank you!

Do you mean the immediate family, of partner and children? If so then yes everyone can get a visa on the back of a single applicant.

If you mean, parents and siblings then that is another matter.

Hi Guys,

 

Just a quick question, looks like I will be heading to Brisbane in the new year with my company on a 457 Visa, just starting the process now, trying to do some research! - when on a 457 visa you are granted 4 year temporary stay(can be nominated after 2 years), which has affect upon the availability of finance, eg cars and mortgages etc. However as I am married to an Australian Citizen does this impact upon the temporary visa outcome? or can they issue PR straight off, thus negating the issues around 457 that I mentioned, and fast tracks the citizen process for my self.

 

interested to hear your thoughts!

 

 

Cheers

Being married to an Australian citizen has no bearing on the 457 visa. Also a 457 visa is not for four years, it can be for anything between a day and four years. The only relevance of two years on the 457 visa is that you would not need to pass a skills assessment should your employer be willing to sponsor you for a permanent employer sponsored visa, the 186 or 187.

In your position, if you want to stay then it would make sense to put in for the partner visa and the 457 visa, you won't get a partner visa in time for a move in the new year hence you need both. The 457 processes quicker, when the partner visa is ready it will replace the 457. This could also be a temporary visa, it depends how long you have been married or defacto with your husband.

Citizenship takes four years of legal residence, including one as a permanent resident, there is no option to "fast track" it.

Hello, I submitted EOI for visa subclass 190 with 65 points hoping that the additional 5 points from state sponsorship will earn me a total of 70 points.

 

In view of the highly competitive nature of my nominated occupation (Accountant: General), I have been thinking of how to increase my points and get an invitation to apply.

 

My occupation appears on both SOL and CSOL lists; the closest occupation that match my spouse's current job role is "Financial Institution Branch Manager" which also appears on CSOL.

 

My questions;

 

-Has anyone on this forum gotten a positive assessment from VETASSESS on "Financial Institution Branch Manager" or a closely related occupation? What documents did you submit to get a "winning" application?

 

-In view of the acclaimed tough nature of VETASSESS, is it worth it to stake AUD810 on their skill assessment and hope to get a positive assessment from them? What has been flashing through my mind for the past few days is the possibility getting additional 5 points from "partner points" since both "Accountant: General" and "Financial Institution Branch Manager" are on CSOL list.

 

-If we are going ahead with VETASSESS, would it be necessary to go through their Skill Assessment Support (SAS) which includes Document Checking and Consultation Services and spend additional AUD330 on that? Any special benefits?

 

-Beyond the advertised timeline, how long does VETASSESS assessment takes in reality?

 

Any ideas of the probable dates of selection by NSW for my profile: 221111: Accountant (General); EOI date 31-10-2016; IELTS Results L-8.5, R-8, S-.7.5, W-7.5 (overall score of 8); 15 point on experience, 25 points on age.

 

 

Please drop your comments/observations/suggestions/recommendations.

As your occupation is on the SOL, your partner would also need an occupation on the SOL in order to qualify for partner points.

So this is not an option.

Thank you, VERYSTORMY. I wish I were working but my parents insist that I should study, which is a little bit disappointing for my age. As a matter of fact, they want me to apply for a study in Australia and find a job there, but as you know for international students, the chance of getting employed is very very low.

You are 24 nearly 25, you get to decide how much studying you want to do.

Thank you, Wrussell, for this information. I will discuss this with my family. However, Im still wondering, if my parents recieve citizenship in Australia, will they be able to sponsor me? They are still on the waiting list though.

At the moment parents can only sponsor their children for a visa (or include them on an application) up to the age of 25 if that child is still financially dependent through say being in full time education. So at the moment you could be included on the parent application. WRussell has pointed out that this is about to change to age 23 thus you need to act quick. I would suggest you do this, perhaps by consulting WRussell in a professional capacity.

Your parents becoming citizens later is completely irrelevant. If you do not get a visa on your parents application very soon, well you will be on your own and will have to find a visa path through your chosen career.

Does your daughter want to emigrate with you? If so, I don't think there is anything your ex husband can do to prevent it. 16 year olds have a say in where they live.

I am here with my partner, we have been granted another 3 month stay yipee, ive always loved Australia and have been here many times, i have a daughter son/inlaw living in Melbourne on permanent resident visas, my other two children on on 1 year work permits in Sydney and are in the process of been sponsored. my massive massive dilema is my partner has had a criminal record he received a four year sentance in April 2007 and spent 2 years in prison, we are both devasted and ashamed about this, my partner before the crime and ever since is the kindest caring loving person i have ever met, my adult children adore him xx the thing is i love my kids so much and i dont want to leave them xxxx getting to the point is there any hope at all my partner wil be able to live in Australia he has never been in trouble before the crime or after, to me my children and everyone that knows him he is of perfect character, any thought feelings stories or facts, i would be so grateful for any feedback, thank Sonya x

The criminal record may or may not be a showstopper, perhaps for the time being it would be and he might need to let more time elapse post sentence.

However what vusa are you thinking of anyway? With three adult children I daresay too old for skilled migration? If only one child has permanent residency then the criteria for parent visa is not met.

Did it a couple of years ago. We are big HP fans so was definitely worth it for us although I don't remember the cost, but I think we would have paid whatever. It was very interesting seeing the real sets and amazing how small some of those spaces were, I am thinking of the boys dorm in particular!

For non HP fans, I am not sure how much general appeal it would have.

God, what a lot of bloody whingers. Calm down for god's sake. We voted to leave the EU, and that's all we voted for and that's what we are doing. We didn't vote to trash the economy. We didn't vote to appease the far right. We voted to return democracy to the UK, and that is what we are doing. Parliament is our democracy, and parliament are going to decide how we leave the EU. Parliament answer to us, and we will ensure they leave responsibly.

 

Bloody whingers.

 

Brexiters? Brickshitters more like. Put your handbags away and be positive about the future.

 

I'm in seventh heaven.

We all know that the majority of 650 MPs do not support Brexit and are going to block Article 50. They are supposed to be there to represent the people not tell us what to do. The majority of the electorate of the UK told parliament what we wanted to do in June and 650 people out of 33 million are going to ignore that and do differently.

It it is a shameful day for democracy in the UK.

No matter what you (general you) voted, we should all be outraged by this turn of events.

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to migrate to Australia (getting PR), but at the moment I'm pretty much stuck with possible visa options.

I graduated last year and have a Bachelor's degree in economics so I was thinking I could get a skilled independent visa since my my occupation (economist) is on the list of skilled occupations (SOL/CSOL). But as it seems I need to show at least one year of relevant work experience to get through the skills assessment (VETASSESS). Does anyone have experience with that situation or knows a workaround for my lack of work experience to still be able to apply for a visa that gives me permanent residency?

 

Cheers

Tom

Having a degree in economics does not make it your occupation. Skilled migrant visas are not typically for graduates they are for experienced work professionals. Focus on building your career for now and come back to the emigration idea in a few years time.

Quick update.

 

We are def going the offshore route. My partner thinks the form will be submitted before we go on holiday. Now does that allow her to travel on 3 month holiday visas while waiting on it being processed? Even at the border if she has return ticket and is honest saying she has applied offshore would she be okay?

The two visas are unconnected, so having a partner visa application in has no bearing on a tourist visa.

The issue is the same as before, that the tourist visa is for tourists. With return tickets unlikely she will be stopped. However the three month ETA likely to expire before the partner visa is granted, what is the plan then?

Thanks for the replies.

 

I'm still confused though. How does my partner apply for an 'onshore' visa if she is not in Oz. Do you just tell them at customs she's not a tourist and is here to apply for residency?

 

Also my partners dad has booked her a 3 month return flight so technically she wouldn't be able to apply offshore until she was back in the UK adding possibly 12 months to the whole process. I couldn't go 3 weeks without seeing my daughter never mind 3 -6 months at a time, she is only 3.

 

As for getting the stepdaughter on the visa as she is under 18 she needs permission from her Dad and he wouldn't do it in a million years and I don't blame him. Plus she will not leave her BF and follow him around wherever he goes until it fizzles out but she chose to live near her BF rather than live with her Mum which personally I couldn't believe.

 

To put things into perspective we are in the Highlands, I work in IT and have managed to get a job, but it's incredibly stressful and they are paying me a pittance (<24k) where I could earn double that in any other major UK city and much, much more in Oz.

 

I guess what I need to clarify is that can my partner apply for an offshore visa while she is on her 3 month holiday in Oz? If not then I think I will need to pull the plug as I just couldn't be stuck out in Oz with my right to return expired waiting on them lodging it etc.

Commenting on all your posts so far not just the one quoted.

so I am somewhat puzzled by where this money will come from if you are in Australia versus now when you are not, you do seem to be saying you can't apply offshore because of cost but somehow you will be able to apply onshore. As far as I know the cost is the same? Actually it used to be more expensive to apply onshore but I think it is equal now. Emigrating is enormously expensive, it doesn't usually help with financial troubles, it normally adds to them.

Amd yes it would be HUGELY dodgy for them to turn up on one way tickets amd even for you, travelling with them, to be on a one way ticket. It flags that they might not be genuine tourists. So they also cannot turn up with all their worldly goods or out of season clothes and so on, just in case.

To your query on the onshore partner visa, well it simply is not intended for people suchas your wife. Sometimes people move legitimately on a working holiday visa or a temporary employer sponsored visa, but then they meet an Australian and become a couple. The onshore visa is intended for these people. The proper visa for your wife's circumstances is the offshore visa. As I mentioned, she may very well get away with sneaking on shore and applying, but it is a risk that you / she needs to assess.

Back to the daughter. In the UK, 16 year olds have the right to choose where they live. If step daughter is willing to undergo a medical and take a validation trip there is nothing the father csn do to stop her. It would be wise to implore her to get on the visa even if to simply keep her options open for the next five years. If I had a pound for every stroppy teenager that refused to go on a visa application but then changed their mind I would be very rich indeed.

Apologies think I've posted this before.

 

long story short my right to return (PR) runs out in Feb (how do you find out exact date btw?).

 

Myself, my partner and my 3 year old daughter arrive in Brisbane on the 28th Jan. My partner and daughter will just be on a 3 month holiday visa as we are going to apply for the onshore visa for them when we get there.

 

The massive issue is my step daughter. She is 16 be 17 in June next year. Her life revolves around her bf and has chosen to live with her dad for the last 2 years.

 

Ive been told that once my partners visa has been submitted she has the right to go back and forward until the visa is about to be granted.

 

Here is my main question? How do we get our step daughter or partners daughter over to Oz if she is under 18 and changes her mind ? Could she come on a student visa for example under the age of 18 or does she have to wait until she is 18?

 

My partners dad is an Oz citizen and she has a half sister there. I don't want to lie to my step daughter and frankly it will break our hearts, I'm not convinced her mum can do it but she is desperate to get out of the UK as financially it's a mess for both of us.

 

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated X

Firstly on the plan for you PR partner and young daughter, this is not the correct use of a tourist visa and whilst you might get away with the plan, you should know that there is a risk attached. There is a risk that they are turned away at the border on account of not being genuine tourists. Anyway if they do get away with it, no they cannot come and go as they please - when the tourist visa expires they would be on bridging visa A which does not have any travel rights, they would have to apply for permission to leave and renter Australia. The correct approach would be to apply for a visa offshore and move whe it is granted.

The other daughter is pretty straightforward and I am not sure why you are over complicating things. Simply put her on the partner visa application form, along with the younger child. Getting her a student visa later is a truly horrendous idea when this simple options is available now.

I actually having the same situation, please help!

But I got a Bridging C with full permission to work and study when I got the EOI.

can i withdraw the student visa? i am currently under the bridging A that granted me when I apply for a student visa.

Same situation means same answer.

Your post doesn't make sense by the way, one sentence you say you have BVC and the next you say you have BVA.

Hi all,

Im just after some direction if anyone can help? We started the process for our labradoodle to emigrate to Australia. He has passed the blood test for rabies and our vet has completed his pet passport which I am collecting tomorrow. The earliest he can fly is 28th March 2017. Can anyone advise what else needs to be done and when or where I can look for this information? Unfortunately our vet has never done a pet passport for Australia and she doesn't know what else needs to be done, she has asked us to find out.

Thank you in advance

I think you need to find a vet that understands the requirements better or contact a pet shipper. Pet passports have no relevance for a move to Australia, I believe they are a Europe thing.

We moved back 22 months ago when I was nearly 46 and OH 42. We we're perfectly settled and content but we were still renting and as a childless couple I did sometimes look to the future and only ever see the two of us, which was a factor, not the main one but a factor. In the end we moved back after perhaps a much more practical assessment than it is for some.

I think we moved at the right time, I wouldn't have minded a few more years in Australia but we thought moving back in our 40s would make more sense than moving back in 50s because of work, both the ability to find it plus building up a bit more pension back here. Work has been readily available by the way.

From what you have said, it would appear to make sense to move back in your case, probably more than it was in our case (as we did not struggle with any sense of belonging or the like). Life is too short.

Gary I do think this is one of those times when a professional opinion of a registered migration agent is required. The one thing I would say is to not split the application by doing yours first and then the families, this generally complicates things rather than making it easier. So if you have so far only applied for yourself, I would rectify that aswap, with professional guidance.

Hi,

 

We are due to to relocate to Oz at the end of the year and plan to rent our house in the UK but our current mortgage deal is up. We can't seem to find a new mortgage, either a buy to let or residential mortgage as we are soon to emigrate. Is anyone aware of a bank that can assist with this?

It will be very difficult, if not impossible as you will have to find a lender willing to lend to a non resident. Why don't you just stick with you existing mortgage, just because the initial conditions are up it doesn't mean you have to remortgage.

Hi all, I am a commercial glazier specialising in installing aluminium shop fronts and curtain walling on petrol forecourts, shopping centres and large commercial properties. I am looking for a sponsorship to preferably Queensland but will go anywhere to be honest. Does anybody know if Australian employers are sponsoring overseas candidates still? TIA

Australian employers are not all doing the same thing, some might sponsor others might not, it depends upon their particular needs and ability to find local workers.

Generally though, securing sponsorship is difficult as few occupations truly have such shortages that they need to. Glazier is on the SOL so you would probably be better off looking into skilled migration.