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41 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

My son isn’t a care worker. He is a university student.  He was offered the vaccine because he is classed as a key worker simply because he has a part time job in a supermarket.  It’s not a choice whether to mix vaccines, they don’t know if this works or whether it’s safe so it’s not an option offered.   If you had AZ the first time you have to have it the second time.  Your mum being older probably puts her at an advantage regarding blood clots because it’s one of the few things that’s effecting young people more than older people.  There is no Covid in Australia so I’d understand people not rushing into getting a vaccine because of that. The fact remains though people aren’t saying I’ll leave it because there’s no Covid, they are happy to have a different jab but worried about having AZ because of clot risk. That’s a completely normal way to think regardless to the smallest of chances. Your mums (and so many others) very tiny doubts are as normal as mine albeit none of ours are perhaps rationale due to the exceptional low chance.   As I’ve said, my son will get the second dose but as a mum I’m allowed to have that little worry. 
You responded to my earlier post with ‘seriously, 4 in 30 Million with no deaths’    I asked you to post that evidence on here as that would be helpful to me  I’ve seen data that shows different so I’d appreciate you posting it as it will help me not to worry.  

My mistake, I think it was 4 in 4 million.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://globalnews.ca/news/7835443/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-second-dose/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjmk9zIntXwAhVF5uAKHajkB84QFjAJegQIExAC&usg=AOvVaw2-Imq-lqzBQ7h_wHmgjaOa&ampcf=1

But if you compare that with antibiotics? All medicines carry risk. It's just that the covid vaccine risk has been blown up by the press 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/health/research/popular-antibiotic-may-raise-risk-of-sudden-death.html&ved=2ahUKEwjnnaL2oNXwAhUKnxQKHXCDATcQFjARegQICxAC&usg=AOvVaw0clbI4Wnz9uBGUJZZTNgH4

1 hour ago, Paul1Perth said:

I find it amazing they can spend millions on fancy buildings and computer systems and then reckon they don't have the money to staff them appropriately.

More nurses, with zero training in technology sat behind computer terminals than nursing.

Would you have them treating people in a tent recording with chalk and blackboards? You're at risk of becoming a Victor meldrew Paul.

A&E suffer from the same problem as many organisations that they need to cover a peak which is much higher than their low.

If we cut down on alcohol consumption we would have a better A&E service.

2 hours ago, bug family said:

A bit ridiculous to be honest, trying to compare a major city to a small insignificant suburb area on the coast of western Australia ....ironically I have been to Manchester many, many times and had nothing but a great time and always felt safe, yet on the one odd occasion I have been to Hillary's (a few years back now) I got abused by some young-ish Australian lad who took offence to me wearing boots (soft hike boots, I find them comfy lol) with shorts?? and i thought they looked fine together  (must be a British thing)....anyhow he was a proper hard man with his mates, especially seem as I was with my two young children at the time,  not been back since and not in any rush to return.

just for you Dusty seem as you like statistics

Australia  Murders with firearms

59 Ranked 25th globally. 4 times more than United Kingdom

Murders with firearms 14 Ranked 39th globally.

 

What a knob. Lots of Australians wear boots with shorts.

49 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

That's true, but most people don't think about it like that.  They look forward to a retirement where they can enjoy all the things they do now, plus have more free time to do even more.

That's why I suggested doing that exercise.  It lets you see what that lifestyle would cost.  If you don't have enough super to cover it, then it makes you stop and think:  either you'll have to cut back your current lifestyle (and if so, what will you give up), OR you'd better keep working for a few more years to build up your super/savings. 

My wife came up with a budget for our retirement. It includes lots of expensive things, like three big holidays a year etc. I cut all of that out. Apart from Florida I've never enjoyed a holiday. The states are out now because the insurance is so high. Asia too is pretty expensive. If you have had cancer they really jack up the price. Europe is probably out of the question too post brexit. I've been everywhere I want to go anyway. No, I'm a pretty cheap date these days. I just need walking clothes, a sub £500 bike every five years and a yearly pair of running shoes, a few bags of compost and I'm happy.

2 hours ago, NicF said:

Wait times at EDs will vary a lot depending on how busy they are.  I dropped a knife on my foot one Friday tea time, about 5 - 5:30 ish and couldn't move my toe so got my OH to take me to the ED.  There was no one else in the waiting room and I went through almost immediately and got seen by various nurses and Drs very quickly.  They identified I'd severed the tendon, booked me in for surgery the next day and then it was just a wait for a bed in the hospital and as I was waiting I could see the place getting busier and busier until they had to put me in a kind of holding area to free up space for all the people they needed to treat.  If we didn't eat so early and I'd gone in an hour or so later I would have had to wait much longer before being seen, and possibly had to wait an extra day for surgery (was the last on the list the following day due to other, more pressing, cases).

The moral of the story is if you are going to get a relatively minor injury that requires a trip to ED try and do it at a time when no one else is around 

I nearly did that. We have these really sharp knives, and it would have done some serious damage. Question, do you leave the blade in or take it out in that situation?

2 hours ago, Toots said:

I see.  

Luckily I have never had to go to an ED department so have no experience of how they process any people who turn up for treatment.

Usually you wait for half an hour. Then you get seen by someone who asks you the details and assesses the problem. They may take your blood pressure etc. Then you either go back to your chair or go through to a bed if you are lucky, and wait for hours. Technically, you were seen within an hour of arrival and they have met the target. It's all games. Not saying you shouldn't be assessed. That is important. But deliberately trying to get around targets is misleading. It's like that Welsh ambulance service that couldn't meet their pick up targets. They changed the way they measure them. That doesn't actually help anyone.

3 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

I think that sort of ‘you could get .....’ is always put out there.  We all say it, you could get killed getting into your car/walking down the street/flying etc.  There’s a big difference though with going about your normal life and accepting theres a small risk than doing something that could cause an issue outside your normal life.  There’s lots in Australia for example (and elsewhere) that are choosing not to have the AZ jab because of the clot scare.  They haven’t said they’re not having it because Covid is almost non existent there which would be a reasonable thing to say, they are saying it because of the clot issue. They will have another jab if available but not the AZ. I understand that but those people will also stand a chance of getting a clot some other way as you’ve put it.  Going about normal life is different to making a choice to have something non essential.  You say you don’t feel there is any more need to worry about a vaccine induced clot than about any other potential cause of sudden death but a great many of people do, as the statistics of those choosing to delay the AZ show. It is instinct to not put ourselves in danger even though we just sometimes end up in it in normal life.   Assume you feel those on here that have said they will delay the jab if offered AZ and wait for another because of the clot worry should also have no more need to worry about getting a vaccine induced clot than any other potential sudden death. That’s just not the case. Those worried about the clot issue will still drive their cars and may have an accident and end up with a clot, two different things completely. 

But your son is a different situation.

My parents in Australia are unsure whether to get the AZ. My mum is very vulnerable, but there is no covid there. It's their call.

But if your son is a care worker he has a responsibility to be vaccinated. Now his choice is to mix vaccines or have a second dose of AZ. Or change jobs.

What are the risks of mixing vaccines?

8 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

Yes seriously.  How weird that I worry about the thought of my child being seriously ill or dying.  I have read that there has been a few deaths in young people after the second dose.  Can you provide me with the evidence you have this is not the case and your statistics.  It would help take any worry away.  I’m not sure how they can be that certain based on not many under 30 have actually had it yet, even fewer have had the second dose. Also, that’s the findings so far of course. Only a short time ago it was nonsense and there was no proven link so it’s changeable.  He is going to have the second dose and smiled at me worrying.  Silly me for feeling sad for those very rare but real parents who have lost a young adult child and having the chilling thought it could be me next. 

There is a chance of death from all medicines. Even ibuprofen and paracetamol will increase your chances of death over a period. Have you or your kids ever taken antibiotics? Did you do extensive research on the chance of death from taking them? There's a massive chance of death when you drive your car. Eat your foot, go down the stairs.

Taking a second dose of AZ doesn't even register.

On 17/05/2021 at 09:46, Paul1Perth said:

Reading the paper this weekend all the economists and bankers are worried about debt and how and when it's going to be paid back. Tax hikes looks like the most popular option.

Tax hikes and interest rates are ways of dealing with inflation. They both cause people to spend less in different ways. 

But if you think they take your tax dollars and use them to 'pay off the debt', then you are crazy.

9 hours ago, Toots said:

I've never had to attend an Emergency Dept but read about long waiting times in the media.  However, I just looked up Launceston General and this is stated:  25 Mar 2021 — The time within which 90% of presentations were seen was 1 hour and 32 minutes. 50% of patients were seen within 17 minutes, which was faster than waiting times for previous four years. 

Our local hospital - the Mersey Hospital's emergency dept was closed in the evenings but I note it is now open 24 hours.  Staffing was a problem last year.

I think it very much depends on how large the hospital is and which area it's in.

This is the thing isn't it though. Seen by, isn't the same as dealt with. You can be assessed not long after arrival, and then go into the next queue. You can be seen shortly after arrival, but then spend hours on a bed waiting to be treated. I would much prefer them to measure the time between arrival and discharge/admittance.

3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Yeah totally agree, I expected more urgent matters to be dealt with first and felt a bit guilty being taken ahead of another patient that seemed to be struggling to breathe. I was just a bit surprised at how long the wait time was. I’ve had ‘lengthy’ waits in ED in Scotland for similar injuries, but no more than an hour or two.

You probably haven't been to an ED in the UK then since austerity. There has been a noticeable increase in wait times. Although when my son fell off his bike and hit his head they saw him immediately. It does depend on your need and not when you arrived.

A lot of people at A&E probably don't need to be there. If you want a really good experience go to A&E in any major hospital on a Friday or Saturday night. Quite unbelievable view of the human race.

3 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Next time just say you have chest pain then mention the ankle when you're on the right side of the door

Don't do that.

9 hours ago, Atefeh said:

Hello,

The moving company could not take my three seater sofa to my flat due to tricky stairs. I need a company that can disassemble my sofa to take it upstairs and reassemble it or find a way to take it upstairs as I think the moving company (Robinson) did not try different angles. Another company (Fantastic Removals) has quoted me £437 for the job including the delivery which is quite expensive for me. I appreciate any suggestion. The sofa is from Nick Scali.

Thank you

Atefeh

When we put our sofa in, we popped the window. It's pretty easy to do, and doesn't cost much to get someone to do it. But it depends how high up you are. Have you looked at taking everything off the sofa that you can? Arms, legs. Some of the four seaters break in half. But I'm not sure of three seaters. Did you see them put the sofa in? Do you remember how they did it.

We sold our sofa with the house, and I guess to this day they are wondering how it got in there.

Pivot

28 minutes ago, Atefeh said:

Hello,

The moving company could not take my three seater sofa to my flat due to tricky stairs. I need a company that can disassemble my sofa to take it upstairs and reassemble it or find a way to take it upstairs as I think the moving company (Robinson) did not try different angles. Another company (Fantastic Removals) has quoted me £437 for the job including the delivery which is quite expensive for me. I appreciate any suggestion. The sofa is from Nick Scali.

Thank you

Atefeh

Did they pivot?

2 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

Extremely unlikely yes but some have had the clot after the second jab, being just fine after the first one.  I think with what’s happening here with the new variant he will have it but can you imagine if your young, healthy child has a jab and died of a clot. It’s happened to some parents out there and it will happen to others. It’s got to be someone. 

4 out of thirty million with no deaths.

Seriously?

1 hour ago, Bulya said:

Correct.  Exactly what Menzies used to say.  You need to get your head around govt finance, it isn’t like a household budget.    

Countries don't get old and retire.

But there is a limit to what government can spend, and that limit is inflation. As we are finding out now, it is possible that the world spent too much on covid.

If we are facing inflation that will mean raising interest rates. If that causes stagflation then we are stuffed. A government can't spend their way out of stagflation.

2 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

According to your theory governments should just spend spend spend all the time.

 No that's not what I said. Go back and read what I said.

2 hours ago, Cots said:

The news in the Uk will tell that you around 20,000 people flew via Turkey from India to avoid detection.

The Channel Islands and the IOM are part of the common travel area hence free movement.

Why wasn't turkey on the red list too?

This is a ridiculous situation.

4 hours ago, DukeNinja said:

I'd gladly fork out 2 weeks' worth of overpriced canteen food for the prospect of a complete lifestyle change. Especially considering that we are in the middle of a pandemic, and you're being allowed in the 3rd best country vis-à-vis the virus spread.

Much cheaper to get a vaccine.

53 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

It's political.  Ideologically, the Liberals are against welfare and are always looking for reasons to cut it. They seized on the need to balance the budget as a great excuse.

Not only welfare, but the liberals/conservative governments prefer small governments. So they like to reduce expenditure. That and constant government spending as the economy recovers will compete against private spending and will cause inflation. Too much inflation is bad.

The austerity by George Osborne after the GFC was completely unnecessary and set the UK back economically from the USA. We should have spent our way out of the recession.

In general, the government should spend and invest during a recession and cut back spending as the economy grows. But what is politically attractive and what is economically attractive aren't necessarily the same thing.

6 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

It’s still mostly older people. Certainly over half those that are dying are over 75.  It’s still very unlikely for a healthy young person to die of Covid. That’s why they’ve stopped offering AZ to anyone under 40 because the risk of dying from a blood clot (which is exceptionally low) is higher than the risk of dying with Covid in a young person.  My youngest who’s 20 had the AZ the week before the blood clot thing all came out and they stopped it for his age group. He only got it as he is a key worker. I’m not sure he should have the second jab  as he’s very healthy and fit. Whilst his chances of having a clot is incredibly small,  based on the statistics his chances of having a problem from Covid is even smaller.  It’s a tricky decision. 

Not really. If he didn't have a clot the first time, it's extremely unlikely he will have it second time.

1 hour ago, Parley said:

Around 10 to 12 deaths per day which sounds very good to me for the whole of the UK. Very elderly people usually.

 

Tend to be younger people dying now. Most older people are double vacced.

2 hours ago, Parley said:

But don't they all have to go into Hotel Quarantine.

If people go into quarantine and stay there until they test negative then in theory it should be ok.

I think the issue is only accepting a maximum number of arrival that Hotel Quarantine can cope with.

There are risks though. We had a case here it was proven that someone caught Covid in the quarantine hotel and then was released. He was actually negative when returning from India and caught it on the day he was released from the Hotel.
They think the corridors of the hotels are the riskiest parts so when leaving the room on the last day of quarantine is risky in itself.

The ventilation systems need to be upgraded in many of the hotels because of covid.

No. They do now, but not then. That's the problem.

9 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

The U.K. stopped travel from India weeks ago apart from U.K. citizens but they have to do hotel quarantine. These things somehow find a way it seems. 

Yes, weeks ago. But they were aware of the problem months ago. And they announced the restrictions would happen in a week's time. Giving people plenty of time to travel.

This was so avoidable. But money talks.

15 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Juging by the worries about debt after the budget it's not too far away from a private household. You can only pretend debt doesn't matter, as some households do, for a certain time. Eventually it gets too much to ignore.

No it doesn't.

The Australian government can print as many dollars as it wants. The only constraint is inflation.