Phoenix16

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AND we have all heard the 'horrible' employer situation for 457 visa holders, it begs the question whether the government did the right thing...many will protest but looking objectively..........and knowing how expensive this country really is............

2 hours ago, Sinead84 said:

Thanks for all the advice guys, i'll let you know the outcome once we have it. Lodging unfair dismissal application with Fairwork tomorrow. 

I think you got some good hints from Wrussel, if you are committed to staying in OZ I think you need to contact them and get some expert advice, the 457 visa is definitely not what it used to be and at this stage i would prioritise whether you want to remain in OZ or not, focus on your now visa issues and don't get embroiled in an employer situation xxxx

5 hours ago, newjez said:

In the context it was written?

Ive just had a go at your long comment but i do get annoyed at references to Ireland, by gawd i nearly vomit today listening to Jerry Adams complete diatribe, what a joke of a man, what a SHAME of a man...

10 hours ago, newjez said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/finsbury-park-suspect-had-abused-muslim-neighbour/

Now, I know quite a few of you on here are a few spanners short of a toolbox, so we will take it slow.

The cause of this attack was the London bridge attack.

This was a direct response to the London bridge attack.

That doesn't justify it.

It doesn't excuse it.

It doesn't mean it's okay.

It just means that without London bridge, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Just like if we hadn't completely destabilised the middle East in our quest for oil, then this wouldn't have happened.

So endeth the lesson.

I think you are being narrow minded, it was a complete nutter who is renowned for marital abuse, alcohol/drug abuse, decided to do a stupid, horrific, reckless thing, its not a sign of public feeling, but unfortunately its something we may have to deal with ongoing, and how sad is that xxxxx

Just now, Phoenix16 said:

A man who clearly has mental health issues, however, he is also a terrorist, because if you have the capacity to drive a car into innocent victims with intent to harm then you are a terrorist Unfortunately,  the current situation will provoke mentally unstable people from every spectrum and this isn't going to end.

 

and to clarify I regard the Jihadi's as mentally unstable

A man who clearly has mental health issues, however, he is also a terrorist, because if you have the capacity to drive a car into innocent victims with intent to harm then you are a terrorist Unfortunately,  the current situation will provoke mentally unstable people from every spectrum and this isn't going to end.

I am getting confused about comments referring to 'backdating'?? As far as I understood it only applications from 20th onwards are affected i.e date of announcement and forwards, I thought all applications made prior to 20th will be processed as per previous rule...what is being 'backdated'?

On 09/05/2017 at 11:39 AM, welljock said:

Fair enough if it's only citizens who pay tax

457 visa holders pay tax but they can't access Centrelink  payments, I don't really see a difference...

On 09/05/2017 at 8:47 AM, Sandgroper said:

I work in the IT industry and don't believe there is any shortage whatsoever in that area, I have recently taken on a new desktop support officer and had over 200 applicants. Every taxi I seem to get in is driven by an Indian IT graduate, surely the skills shortage list should be very fluid and reviewed every month with roles being removed/added as as needed.

So I have just started my clinical placement as a 3rd year nursing student.  I am shocked at the despondency and negativity I have encountered about the future (although all so so lovely and supportive with precepting/mentoring and on the job learning and development). It seems that there is no such thing as a permanent job for a nurse? all were on part-time, casual contracts and all were clear that there are no jobs, that I should have a plan B and warned me that at the end of my degree there is a big possibility I will never actually work as a nurse and that many nurse graduates give up and move in other career directions. Is this really how it is and if so I have 2 questions....1) why does the government continue to subsidise nursing degrees as an essential professions 2) why is nursing still on the SOL/CSOL list? There was a very negative vibe today around the lunch table about migrant nurses, I don't really know the history and cant imagine that there is substance to it as most nurses I have encountered are migrants and have been amazing and supportive.  But I am really shocked at the dire employment prospects for nurses in WA and had I known 3 years ago I might have opted for a different degree, the universities continue to take on massive amounts of nursing students without being clear to them about the very poor outlook for the future for many.

1 minute ago, Phoenix16 said:

I think you are right.  In our case we came because husband was headhunted, 2 years would have worked for us, theoretically, as other opportunities would have opened up elsewhere, but nevertheless, we loved OZ, we contributed and were fortunate under the rules at the time to be allowed to stay, we are now citizens and fully committed to Australia, we don't see ourselves leaving and we talk about if we have to leave for hubbys job, we ourselves as aussies and this is our home that we will always return to.

 

As I said, headhunted, we were niaive, with no idea, we were flown here business class with a limousine waiting for us on arrival, we had a relocation expert who took us for breakfast the next day then showed us all the houses with pools and beach views we desired (in fremantle - so pretty rare!) that no longer exists, those were different times and im painting a 'picture perfect' view because it was, then, BUT not anymore xxxxx

17 hours ago, Raul Senise said:

The severing of the link between the temporary subclass 457 visa and the permanent subclass 186 visa will be devastating for Australian business.

Many will not uproot their life, family and career for a two or four year temporary stay in Australia, if there is no Permanent residency option at the end. 

This will severely limit Australian business ability to attract skilled people to fill key roles and thus stifle business growth, meaning less employment opportunities for Australians.

 

I think you are right.  In our case we came because husband was headhunted, 2 years would have worked for us, theoretically, as other opportunities would have opened up elsewhere, but nevertheless, we loved OZ, we contributed and were fortunate under the rules at the time to be allowed to stay, we are now citizens and fully committed to Australia, we don't see ourselves leaving and we talk about if we have to leave for hubbys job, we ourselves as aussies and this is our home that we will always return to.

I have a question I hope someone can answer..! We have good friends currently here on a 457 (so grandfather rules apply), however there is a 99.99% chance he will move to another company shortly, i.e transfer of 457 to another company and I am wondering how the new rules may affect this.  Background info is they are here on a 457 and have absolutely on aspirations to progress to PR, they are loving their 'adventure' here but under no circumstances do they want to stay permanently, however, another 18-24 months here would be their dream. He has a very specialised role that remains on the 'long term' list (sorry not sure of its proper name) his salary is in excess of $250K per annum, the issue is that whereas until a few weeks ago the 457 transfer would have very likely been simply a minor admin process, I am asking if the recent new rules could affect that? As I said, for their own personal reasons they do not want to move to PR, the new rules actually suit them, they have maintained their home in the uk and fully intend to resume their life there within the next few years, they are just enjoying their time here right now and are hoping for another year or so before they tour OZ in a camper van then go him with amazing life long memories!!

I have to say having gone from 20/20 vision to needing glasses (apparently it's an age thing?!!) my reading sight had deteriorated quite rapidly, cannot read a book without glasses and without a book you might as well amputate my arms and legs! But I'm finding that I need a new prescription every 6 months (apparently it will settle! ) so in my case I can't see the point in stocking up in the UK, spec savers are so reasonable and my HBF covers it all, im happy with Colette Dinnigan frames but if I want Raybans or Chanel then I can go to OPSM. But also m not fussy, got 2 pairs of great frames and a pair of sunglasses for $200, HBF covered the lot and I got a 50% off voucher for another pair  within 6 months, will go for the sunglasses! PS multifocls- never ever again, I feel totally dangerous driving in them, not for me!!

I can see the worry about having to sit an IELTS but I can't see the issue with the new residency rules for those who plan to live here for many years to come, perhaps it's designed to stop those who came, decided they didn't want to stay but hung on an extra 12 months or so to get their citizenship with no intentions of ever making a life here.

2 hours ago, Samson said:

I just can't see people coming to Australia selling home, leaving jobs moving kids what ever under the new TSS visa unless your occupation is on the MLTSSL. If I was thinking of coming over and the MA say's oh by the way this visa on its own cannot lead to permanent residency and at max you will have to leave after four years...  

I would say, and its been the case for a while, that you would never sell up and move here 'lock stock and barrel' on a 457.  We actually arrived here on a 457, but with no previous inclination to ever emigrate to OZ, husband was headhunted for a fantastic project, it was just the next career move for him that would eventually lead to others, wherever in the world.  However, we fell in love with Australia and gained PR within 12 months, accelerated route on the 457 at that time (2010).  We were completely ignorant of 457 rules and very naive, just came for the adventure, we were extremely lucky (although largely due to husbands skills and talent).  We didn't sell the UK home, but everything happened in a whirlwind, I see now 457's seem to take quite a while to process whereas then, for us it took 3 days from applying to being granted.  I have always championed 457 visa holders, it was the best thing that happened to us but I have also seen how it has changed over the years since and I would never ever recommend anyone to enter into one lightly, especially with children and especially if you see it as a permanent route, it just simply isnt that anymore.  However, based on my own experiences I have great empathy for those currently on 457's, I wish you the best but for those in the UK, if you see this a permanent move then maybe the best thing to do is apply for the permanent visa and save yourself future stress and pain xxxx

13 minutes ago, millski88 said:

According to various transcripts/reports of today's announcements (including The Pom Queen's above), existing 457 holders are to be exempt of these new rules as part of the agreement.

I am currently in this situation. Under 45, 6 years experience in field, and a good chunk above the minimum salary threshold. 

My ANZSCO code now appears on the short term list, which if i understand correctly actually means i'm still eligible for a Direct Entry 186 PR visa (according to the supporting border website material online). However, i wait with baited breath to see if any further definition of this 'grandfathering agreement' emerges.

I'm only 5 weeks away from my 2 year anniversary on my 457, and just on the cusp of finishing gathering documents for a TRT stream 186 application. For now though, after much research this evening, i'll just about sleep tonight.

Fingers crossed for everyone!

Well in my humble opinion and if it helps, I would think the grandfather rules apply for the duration of your current 457 so if you are 5 weeks away with ample time still in hand on your 457 I would reasonably expect you are all good, I have my fingers crossed with you!! Xxx 

11 minutes ago, Samson said:

Thanks appreciate your kind words. 

If any MA is reading this and you have any experience with visa's that are not the norm, for example as per my case regarding a new born child, BVE and ministerial intervention, please feel free to send me a PM. I just have given up looking for and calling into local Perth based MA's that have no idea!!!! 

I can't speak for others but unfortunately I have no experience in migration, however others on here do and particularly Allen Collett who has been responding to this thread, all come highly regarded by others on this website, perhaps it is time to call in the real experts with many years experience and let them help you, I am sure something can be done given your child is an Australian Citizen xxx

I can see why this decision has been made and overall I support it, however, I don't take pleasure in it as there are many people currently on 457 visa's with very different situations and circumstances Who now have to grapple with it and for some it will be a life changer.  I think going forward it is moving in the right direction, so long as it does actually stop the abuse that has been happening, but some people are here legitimately under the true essence of what a 457 was designed for, they are not rorting the system and are paying significant taxes amongst many other things (school fees being one that springs to mind), and my thoughts are with them xxxx

6 minutes ago, Samson said:

I am the father, The mother is the Australian. I will await a reply from my CO regarding my current visa application and then with this move forward and get some professional advice. let's see what the rest of the week brings. 

I don't know what to say other than keep strong, I cannot conceive of any decent government forcing parents to be separated from their child, be it a mother or a father, I know rules are rules as such but surely in the case of an Australian child, the best interests of that child takes precedent and having a loving father in its life is surely in the best interests of the child.  MY bestest wishes to you xxx

4 hours ago, doubter said:

As an example how many Australians would fill the jobs in McDonalds and Hungry Jacks for instance.I doubt many because they don't want to do those kind of jobs just like people in the UK don't want to do low paid jobs that's why 457 visas help employers.

I imagine there are many willing to do the job for decent pay and conditions, unfortunately there are many willing to come from overseas for peanuts and appalling conditions, hopefully Turnbulls decision will help to better regulate this. 

I wasn't particularly close to my family as in we could exist very happily for weeks on end without seeing each other but we were by no means dysfunctional, just pretty happy with our independent lives and happy to see each other when our paths crossed. I actually found that when we emigrated we felt 'obliged' to Skype every week, simply because we were so far away rather than keeping up the same contact we had in the uk, but distance and especially the time difference, for me, takes it's toll, sometimes at the end of my long day I'm feeling tired and just not in the mood to chat to someone whose just waking up!, my daughter has to be coerced and bribed at times to Skype her grand parents after a day of school and then a 2 hour swim club session, this is my reality but being so far away I feel more guilty than I would if I lived in the uk and hadn't seen them for a few weeks...

Sorry but for me private is the only way. When I found out I had cancer of the esophugus we were told some don't make it and as they were removing my stomach as well I had chance to google and find the best surgeon in Australia and was able to fly down to Sydney and get him to do the operation.

Then when I needed my colon removing and a Stoma the public hospital were telling me what I had to have, their option was basically remove everything and she won't be back. I researched and found a guy in Brisbane who could do a new kind of operation that even my professor couldn't do. So again I went private.

Then I started having problems with my heart. After Townsville ran loads of tests I still haven't heard anything. Thankfully after my last operation in Brisbane after my tubes came out they had to get the crash team in as they couldn't bring me round. The anesthetist told me I needed to see a cardiologist very quick. Well I had the op on the Tuesday and after the recovery I was booked back in to hospital within a week for heart tests. After the results my cardiologist went mad that Townsville had left me that long.

i have had my money worth hundreds time over.

If you don't have any health problems then yes Medicare is fine.

Firstly Pom Queen, I didn't know, but much respect to you for the difficult journey you have faced, I am thinking of you and re evaluating my rather pathetic first world problems xxxxxx

On the matter of private health, I'm a total believer, ever word you said was correct xxx