MelandJas Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 We have been quoted £600 to assist in sponsorship search is this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonnyNI Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 As in state/regional sponsorship?? This seems outrageous to me as we did it ourselves and it's really quite easy!!! Especially as I'm sure you know yourself what areas you would prefer to end up in!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30085 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Do you mean for employer sponsorship on either a 457 or a 121, if so then I would be very wary? What guarantees are there that an employer would take you on? Admittedly they may have contacts, but as an upfront fee, that seems a lot without details of what guarantees they make you or actually how many potential employers they can approach. You could approach potential employers yourself, on sites such as seek.com.au If its a search for state/regional sponsorship, then you could find that out for yourself with a bit of research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelandJas Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 It is employer sponsorship not sure of any guarantee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest becs2010 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 As in state/regional sponsorship?? This seems outrageous to me as we did it ourselves and it's really quite easy!!! Especially as I'm sure you know yourself what areas you would prefer to end up in!! Please could you let me know how you were successful, we desperately want to come over on sponsership.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelandJas Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Please could you let me know how you were successful, we desperately want to come over on sponsership.. We haven't been successful yet just looking for right agent at moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonnyNI Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hey Becs, We got sponsored by WA... My partner is an architecct and I am a civil engineer so both of us were eligable for state sponsorship or a 175 visa. We opted to go the sponsored route due to the fact that processing times are generally quicker for the 176 vs. 175 (not sure what the situation is now though as things seem to be speeding up big time!!) - there was a also a financial benefit to the main applicant being an architect but I'll not go into details as I'm sure this isn't the case for you... Basically you need to start by looking at the various sponsorsip options that are available to your profession. You can either go down the state sponsorship route or the regional sponsored migration scheme route. It really depends on what you do and how much experience you have... I would need to know a bit more about your situation to give a more detailed answer... We did a FREE service with working in right back at the very start. They basically take all of your details and tell you what options, with respect to visas, are available to you - this gives you a good basis on which to start your research... At least we found it did for us! Sorry if I've kinda hijacked this thread!!! Good Luck, Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Do you mean for employer sponsorship on either a 457 or a 121, if so then I would be very wary? What guarantees are there that an employer would take you on? Admittedly they may have contacts, but as an introduction fee, that seems a lot. You could approach potential employers yourself, on sites such as seek.com.au If its a search for state/regional sponsorship, then you could find that out for yourself with a bit of research. Gday all. Comments below relate to employer sponsorship. Firstly it's not us you're talking too :-) so my comments below only relate to how we think things should be done by others. Have a look at who is charging the fee. In NSW it is illegal to charge a fee for assistance with job search, it was designed to protect Australians from Australians but it would also apply to anyone else physically in NSW. That includes recruitment agents and employment brokers. I know of one NSW based operation who do what we do, but unfortunately for them their location in NSW makes their operation illegal, not that they seem to care, and they do focus on subcontinent candidates who end up working in horticulture for miserable wages and conditions. :Randy-git: There are also tradtional recruitment agents who charge candidates a fee to search their employer files, and doubtless charge a fee to the employer on placement. That's not only doubledipping, it's illegal as it involves secret commissions. The RCSA code of conduct prohibits it but you don't hear of RCSA doing much policing of it... Then look at exactly what it is that is being offered. If it is just a troll through a database of known employers who then get a CV by email, then GBP600 seems a bit rich for what is not much work. If they instead approach the employers individually on your behalf, and more particularly work to develop a customised list of employers who match the profile that indicates they would hire someone like you in your preferred area and specific visa requirments, and save you hours of negotiating and explanation then an hourly fee would be appropriate, or a bundle of hours for a fixed fee. :yes: This is more reasonable as they are in fact doing what you would/should/could be doing and that's much the same as paying a painter to paint the wall - you could do it but you choose not to and therefore will pay a reasonable fee to someone else for their time and professionalism. If they offer a comprehensive and tailored search service (like us) then they are saving you the cost of coming and living in Australia for a few months without income while you look for work - if you know where to start! You can keep family together, keep your employment intact and need not disclose to anyone what you are planning, without incurring the cost of running two households. In that context, GBP600 is a very modest fee. In fact I think it would be difficult if not impossible to offer a tailored search service for that fee. It would only cover a very basic AUD$20 hour wage for one person for 30 hours or one week of search (nothing for the bess or operating costs so it sounds a bit thin). The recruiter's rule of thumb is a minimum one week and more likely one month per $10,000 of salary sought - if you want a AUD$50,000 average job allow at the very least 4-5 weeks searching by door knocking and direct contact with employers, and perhaps 4-5 months... Calculate that at say $800 per week to live with communication and transportation costs and you'll quickly run through $5000 to $10,000 in costs. And much more if you don't know where to start when you get here... Again, it could be a genuine service but at that fee level it sounds more like a simple mailshot to an email database of employers or a recruitment agent indulging in a secret commission. Check to make sure they are a bona fide operation. Then get them to specify their service process, and then assess if what you are being charged reflects what they propose to do for you and if it is worth that to you in personal time and effort savings. Lastly, find out who briefs the employer on the sponsorship requirements. The search firm cannot do it if they are not registered migration agents. In Australian law, only a registered agent can advise a sponsor or applicant (we refer our employers to an agent as required). If they are not an agent, expect that their knowledge of the visa requirements will be less than perfect and more likely will lean towards the shortcuts they heard from someone's second cousin as a guaranteed way in to Australia (twenty years ago). Services like what is being proposed are legitimate and can save a migrants a fortune if they are properly set up (physical location and knowledge management) and then operated in a professional manner for a reasonable fee. Be clear though, NO THIRD PARTY can guarantee you a job or sponsorship. :happy_face_outlaw_s Only an employer can offer the job, and only DIAC or State Govt can authorise the sponsorship. Be wary of employers who sell sponsorships (usually that is all that keeps their doors open), DIAC have been putting some effort into stamping this out. Happy hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest becs2010 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hey Becs, We got sponsored by WA... My partner is an architecct and I am a civil engineer so both of us were eligable for state sponsorship or a 175 visa. We opted to go the sponsored route due to the fact that processing times are generally quicker for the 176 vs. 175 (not sure what the situation is now though as things seem to be speeding up big time!!) - there was a also a financial benefit to the main applicant being an architect but I'll not go into details as I'm sure this isn't the case for you... Basically you need to start by looking at the various sponsorsip options that are available to your profession. You can either go down the state sponsorship route or the regional sponsored migration scheme route. It really depends on what you do and how much experience you have... I would need to know a bit more about your situation to give a more detailed answer... We did a FREE service with working in right back at the very start. They basically take all of your details and tell you what options, with respect to visas, are available to you - this gives you a good basis on which to start your research... At least we found it did for us! Sorry if I've kinda hijacked this thread!!! Good Luck, Jonny Thanks Jonny, our situation is far from straightforward frustratingly! I am a software tester but not experienced enough to pass a skilled assessment most probably. I only have 3 yrs work experience and ideally they want 8! Partner is a facilities manager which I cannot find on any skilled shortlist. Applying for a job and then hopefully being sponsered is I think our only option at the mo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 It helps a wee bit to think of a pyramid - o Up the top Most urgently needed skilled jobs that have a big impact on life or economy, where it takes ages to educate and train someone (think medicine and engineering, a few IT), These ones get a PR visa without unusual delay or hassle because Govt thinks they'll just walk into a high paying job without difficulty In the middle Less critical but still important jobs, where it takes some time to train people, not so universally in shortage (think skills for key parts of economy like mining in WA and Qld, horticulture and oenology in SA and NSW, aircraft/shipping and engineering support in Victoria, etc These ones get a PR visa if the State Govt targets them and has enough sponsorship capacity otherwise priorities rule with occupations on State lists. It pays to hunt around, some migrants will need to look to other states if they can't wait or won't risk another year . For everyone else down below Neither state or federal Governments have the capacity to monitor demand and shortages for ALL occupations in ALL regions or identify levels of employer demand in occupations that aren't on the hot lists. Some occupations/employer groups and regions just don't have a loud enough voice. These ones, show that an employer would hire you (sometimes need to justify why you instead of an Australian) Think politics. Nobody can argue against critical occupations getting priority, or states selecting what occupations they need independent of Canberra's one size fits all policies, or employers bringing in skilled employees to fill a need that can't be met locally and/or does not feature on State or Federal sponsorship lists. Now add in the foolish idea of Invitation To Apply and understand that this system will be a mess for a year or two until the market gets to understand it and people learn not to overrate themselves. The State sponsorship lists are a wee bit like ITA in that the States decide who they want to select for sponsorship (not so much points based like ITA). ITA relies heavily on the accuracy and completeness of Skills Australia's research, and SA list doesn't get into the smaller areas and occupations so there should always be a need for State and Employer sponsorships. MEthinks the ITA will replace the first stack on the pyramid and perhaps a large part of the second, leaving the States to handle mnore specialised occuaptions peculair to their local situation. And everyone in the employers sponsored categories will still need to find those jobs that carry sponsorships. Where the whole system breaks down is the Federal Government just don't consider the cost and obstacles to finding this employer and sponsor, and hence the emergence of job sponsorship seeking services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrussell Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 In NSW it is illegal to charge a fee for assistance with job search, it was designed to protect Australians from Australians but it would also apply to anyone else physically in NSW. That includes recruitment agents and employment brokers. If the client is overseas recruiters can do whatever they wish, in most jurisdictions. The DIAC has repeatedly been kind enough to offer assistance with a job search to some of my clients, even those who had been working ii Australia in senior roles for years (457) when their PR visas were granted. Presumably they have a reason for insisting that registered migration agents are not to be involved in this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 If the client is overseas recruiters can do whatever they wish, in most jurisdictions. Except anything illegal that would generate prosecution in Oz. Unless they like the risk.... The DIAC has repeatedly been kind enough to offer assistance with a job search to some of my clients, even those who had been working ii Australia in senior roles for years (457) when their PR visas were granted. Presumably they have a reason for insisting that registered migration agents are not to be involved in this process. DIAC would be better off contacting EVERY employer in Oz through the ATO/ASIC and educating them about becoming a sponsor. But the political fallout would be quite spectacular for that, so instead they choose to use compete with us taxpaying business owners and leave the better solution untouched. Fortunately for us, DIAC are not much more effective than recruiters in finding unadvertised work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest liverpoolollie Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 hi jamie . you seem to know your stuff .could you advise me as to what my chances would be of state sponsership please. i have my own small bricklaying company in the uk and would like to emigrate to oz ,i believe i would have to work for someone for at least 2 years ,which is fine by me . i am 40 years old now and my points score seems that it will come in at 60 points, unless i get a very good elts result or state sponsership,then i may come up short . any advice would be most welcome. thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hi Liverpoolollie Sorry i can't help with state sponsorship advice, we specialise in employer sponsorship for skilled migrants, and also do business plans for business visas and 457 sponsors. Have you had a look at the business owner visa 163? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest liverpoolollie Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Hi Liverpoolollie Sorry i can't help with state sponsorship advice, we specialise in employer sponsorship for skilled migrants, and also do business plans for business visas and 457 sponsors. Have you had a look at the business owner visa 163? Regards thankyou very much jamie i will look into that. out of interest what do you think of me using an agent ? i already have opposing views i.e money well/not well spent . would you think in my case it could be better for me? kind regards liverpool ollie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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