barry

this  sums it up and it is made by a migration agent . many people not living permanently together until arrival in OZ simply 

because , almost by definition. they live in different countries until visa granted . Even for a PMV, a question is asked about WHY a couple

are not living togther if a genuine relationship,. Silly question in a way of course . 

5 – Long distance relationships can be hard to prove

Peter Michalopoulos believes long distance relationships, in which partners aren’t cohabiting, can be a challenge to provide evidence for.

“It’s important to explain that due to the nature of your relationship, you don’t have evidence of cohabitation, but you have other evidence that it is a genuine relationship,”  Michalopoulos says.

If you don’t have evidence of co-habitation, then it’s important to strengthen social and financial evidence, he adds. 

Tickets and bookings to show visits to each other and strong, detailed statements from family and friends, as well as an explanation of why you aren’t living together, will be important to verify a genuine relationship.

skani,

fair point you make and of course statistics have to be looked at sceptically I guess. but most people use an agent because they can not 

be bothered to spend a pot of time reading all the requirements on government site and also like someone to hold their hand through 

the process . nothing wrong with that and some might not be used to paperwork and lack an education and unable to spell for example . 

Most applicants are simply a fiancee of partner of an aussie citizen and nothing complex about their situation . 

nemisis ,

you talk about UNUSUAL cases but mine would be far from unusual being an aussie with a foreign partner . If my partner was an aussie citizen 

or living permanently in OZ , she would not need a visa and that applies to everybody . no need to respond but please do not ASSUME a case is 

complex when nothing said to indicate that . good luck anyway 

gbye grey ,

IMO very few situations are complex but just different circumstances . you  say yours was straightforward but have a child and hence might not be so . Why quote a case 

where someone is unmarried with a prospective bride in Russis as irrelevant if you had read my posts??

you were once unmarried and childless but now are not ! 

your sarcastic comment about me being genuine is infantile too. 

Somone's comment about a visa not being granted because of a minor genuine error is hard to believe . i wonder what the "error " was but 

again a point made to encourage use of an agent who is likley to make even more errors due  to work overload . 

thosr are my GENUINE observations . 

my god ,

I have never seen such pessimism about prospects of an application succeeding ! And every response mentions using an agent which I doubt is pure coincidence ! ( wry smile ) .

The 5 year rule is in place for a reason as is the maximum 2 sponsorships . they could make a law that only ONE sponsorship allowesd in any circumstances !

incidentally, I did research it and what I say was stated by quite a few agents and I inagine the one you recommend says something similar . But a few applicants 

manage to do it but not sure how they get away with it ! ( smile ) . Good luck to them !

with respect I disagree with your first sentence .Of course the DHA would refuse to grant a visitor visa if applicant was a spouse of aussie citizen and siad she or he

intended to apply for an onshore visa while on visitor visa . in some cases such as a visitor from high risk country , a "no furher stay" is a condition with the visa . But even if not ,

the intention to apply for a partner visa MUST be made after arrival in OZ although I suppose a smart visa officer might be suspicious of when the plan was formed . 

If lucky , the ongoing process is as you describe . 

an officer understands that one can not do the impossibe . 

I also read that an officer trys to be understanding if an applicant explains that some requirements might be impossible for him or her . In  that 

situation , that condition would be waived as the rules are not set in CONCRETE . A case officer once told me that . If all conditions had to 

be aatisfied in a case where spouses lived in different countries , ies ponsor in OZ and partner lived abroad , no OFFSHORE partner visa 

applications would be granted . My aussie friend ( born in France) brought in his Vietnameese wife some years ago and his knpwledge of 

english is still not good .

I now show link I saw a while ago giving statistics. Of course I would never say that nobody should use an agent 

and partners who are wealthy and can not be bothered might do so as might anyone not used to paperwork . Even 

wealthy folk could not escape most of the work as agent would bne asking them for a lot of info to pass on 

to immigration . Some people might find it less stressful to have hand held during the process and nothing wrong 

with that either . If agent fee was about $500 or maybe $1000 , I might even use an agent myself if it meant 

less time to spend. But nowadays , the fees are very high for something which is not rocket science . 

https://www.partnervisaguide.com.au/visa-applications-without-registered-migration-agents-success/?mc_cid=33a9384c04&mc_eid=fe9ade113a

ok, you are not an agent of you say so . But why would you spend 25 years of your life dealing with immigration and visa matters and 

quite honestly that sounds like you are agent or allied to one . pushing all peoople towards an agent suggests this . Or are your 

motives purelty altruistic ? If so,  I would have preferred comments or answers on matters I raised . Odd comment by you about being ijn my 

shoes as the very briief detail I gave tells you very little about my situation.  Your whole text is pushing people towards an agent. No interest 

in a person's circumstances . I will send the info on why I said less chance with an agent than doing it yourself but I gave reasons why that 

should be obvious , eg giving UNDIVIDED attention to the matter whereas agents have many cases on their books . 

the comment about agents having to declare themselves might be valid but , if so , why do so many mention using an agent

when they charge a huge amount and less chance of success based on statistics ? makes no sense to me . if one asks a question 

or needs clarification on forums like this one , eg any idea when new sponsorship assessment comes into force , an answer should 

be given and not about how difficult the process is and use an agent . Of course it is a difficult and stressful process as one can see 

from despairing comments on threads , eg time taken for grant to be issued . applications fail because of incomplete information but even 

then a case officer might just ask for further details or may not . One comment here about ages of applicant and sponsor was ridiculous with 

respect as was reference to ASIAN brides . Quite obviously a man of 70 trying to bring his 25 yera old asian bride to oz would make 

an officer suspicious as not "love " ! ( smile ) . but if his wife was 66 . it woudl be less suspicious even for an officer trying to PICK HOLES.

It is not officer's job to pick holes but to look at the facts and story presented . He or she is not supposed to be racist or a xenophobe 

either 

I had assumed that this site was for people who might want clarification on a specific issue from applicants who had gone through

the process . Those who responded to me just used my honesty such as memtiioning a previous PVA as ammunition to show how 

difficult it would be without having a clue on the circumstances . Almost every post suggests using an agent but IMO it is unnecessary 

if one has a modicum of intelligence and can read and write . One comment was about the officer picking holes in everything . ie believing

nothing they are told by applicant and sponsor . that is nonsense as almost no application would be successful if it was so but in fact about 

90% are successful ! tell the truth about everything , read carefully the requirements on aussie GOVERNMENT site and that is all one can do .  presenting

info second hand through an agent makes that more difficult as proved ny statistics I saw . 

ramot- WOW!  No , I was not aware of that as have lived abroad quite a lot over the years . Mostv politicians are

the scum of the earth  and the biggest benefit scroungers . They are paid a huge salary and perks  for a cushy job 

and only a few really earn their money ! ( smile )

nemisis - just noticed your sarcastic comment and I bet you are an agent . Stupid comment as of course I would not be trading

when preparing the application for my  wife . statistics show that more chance of a visa refusal when using an agent and 

probably because they do NOTgive undivided attention to the task and understandably so- they have too many cases on their 

desk. It is for that reason that in last 40  years I have done own conveyancing when buying and selling a house after reading a 

book called " the conveyancing fraud" by the late Michael Joseph. Worth a read by anyone who would like to do own conveyancing. 

yes, if bringing in a lady of 25 when man is 70 ! that is a stereotype ! We would be married as I have stated and no intention of a de facto relationship. 

I will be returning to OZ later in year and my wife could apply for a visitor visa to come over for 3 month visits after she retired from her work . A lot 

of people do thatand it shows a genuine relationship. Somebody mentioned the moral aspect and therefore not necessary to sharesame housee ven as a fiancee ( religious reasons

for some people ). Obviously some complex planning needed !

sorry for typing errors as trading FX at same time !

thanks for comments but you are making assumptions  which are not correct and using a stereotype of "asian bride "etc . That does not apply in our case as 

i am old ( very old to a young person like uou )  and my fture wife is old too and very easy to establish it is a genuine relationshipm to a young case officer 

hopefully . I assume some offshore partner visas submitted by applocants who are married but, because of circumsatances , can not live in same country 

ujntil after visa granted . In our case she could not live in UK because permanent visa would be needed and would come on a visitor visa . Even with a PMV ,. one question asks 

why  not living together which is a really silly question and my aussie friend's wife from Ukraine replied abruptly " because you have notyet granted the visa " ( smile ). a bit cheeky but 

it was an honest reply to a silly question. As you pointed out , MORALS come into it too but a young  visa officer would assume a fiancee must be in same bed with her or his partner ! 

I know exactly how PMV works as sadly I went through it 6 years ag0 . Being scrupulouslyt honest and being ultra careful in giving the right documents and evikdence normally works .

thanks again forcomments 

would be a waste of time and money and you are obviusly an agent . It is not a de facto situation as I explained ( smile ). An agent can   NOT change  

the dynamics as impossible for a foreign citizen to  get a bank account as would not pass the credit checks . a wife is not a de facto partner .

As an aussie citizen living in UK with a future wife who lives in Russia , trying ton comply with the undermentioned is almost impossible although geeting my 

wife a credit card and debitv card as a second person on my accout might be possible . She had a job in Moscow and we meet  on holiday or visits me for a few weeks .

Could this be a major prioblem or are visa officers  a little understanding as OZ government are becoming  hostile to foreigners as is policy  of right wing Tory 

government in the UK , eg Windrush generation etc. ?   Hoping someone will kindly comment 

Show us how you and your partner share financial matters. You could give us:

• joint mortgage or lease documents
• joint loan documents for major assets like homes, cars or major appliances
• joint bank account statements
• household bills in both names

Your household

II doubt the visitor visa method wouldn work for a spouse or partner as surely immigration authorities would realise the plan was 

to apply for onshore partner visa . Why would a spouse be coming for a visit when husband or wife lives in OZ ? Also, the 

new partner assessment would stop this I  think as could take ages to get a decision . 

the tragedy for visa applicants and their fiancees or partners that the extreme right wing xenophobic Liberals won the election 

as , although the labour party would not have changed much, I beleive they had proposed reductions to the   OUTRAGEOUS visa fees 

and would show a modicum of compassion and empathy which the so called " liberals " ( Tories really )would never show. 

Hope for the best on sponsor fee but expect the worst ! 

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i wonder if you or anyone can help . I am an aussie citizen but in England at present and hope to return to OZ fairly soon . I will have a 

foreign wife and wonder if she can come on a visitor visa and then apply for the onshore spouse visa whilst in Australia ? Also will 

that mean having leave and return on another visitor visa perhaps a few times while the onshore spouse visa is being processed as they 

take ages I understand ? .