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22 hours ago, Jamieliverpool said:

Thank for your reply’s and advice .

The uk does have record low unemployment at the moment. It also has nearly a million people on zero hour working contracts and nearly 4 million people in working poverty .  The work prospects In my region are not great at all. I’m a coded welder who’s worked all over the Middle East, Canada and America . I was laid off 3 years ago and it took me 5 months to get employment. It’s worse than that now . I was recently called by an employment agency to see what my work situation was and was told of an “excellent opportunity” they had which was paying £8.50 an hour . Which obviously I would take if I had no work just to feed my family but it’s far from ideal . I want to better myself and my family’s prospects, not just get by . 

Im not saying Perth or Australia has streets paved with gold but a simple job search puts the uk to shame. You would know better as your there I understand that. All I’m doing is looking for a better life for us all. It’s certainly an eye opener as maybe i have looked into Perth as a cure all for everything I want for us. I will definitely take this into account .

 

again thank you for your time and advice .

 

jamie

I love that you have mentioned this - ' It also has nearly a million people on zero hour working contracts and nearly 4 million people in working poverty'  absolute spot on 

I have friends with uni degrees and some who are experienced professionals who are working in entry level call centres and general admin jobs. Lots of number fudging going on to make it look like the employment levels are good when in fact, as you mention, there's so many zero hour contracts with people getting next to no hours each week or 20 hours split over 5 days resulting in additional outlay costs such a travel/parking expenses just to go to work... which makes it a pointless task. 

Sounds like you have considered your options and want to take the plunge, I agree with others, maybe a holiday first to make sure it's the right move for you and to scope out your living costs/area and job opportunities. Decide who will be the main visa applicant and speak to a migration expert to find out your most viable route.

Good luck! 

Hi,

I just wondered if there were any HR professionals who can share their experiences of Emigrating to Australia.

I've seen HR manager is on the STSOL under a skilled nominated 190 visa or a skilled regional nominated 489 visa, Just wondered if there is anyone on here who can share their experience of this and what the reality is like in terms of employment/visa process.

Guess I'm just wondering if it's similar to a lot of occupations on the STSOL where people emigrate and find it difficult to find employment. 

Thanks 

45 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Migration is rarely fair or sane. Let me give you a couple of examples.

My occupation stayed on the skilled lists as a "wanted / in demand" occupation when we had near 50% unemployment. 

On fairness, there was a visa until a couple of years ago that was for skilled applicants that took a long time to process - think years. Out of the blue, the dept announced the visa was cancelled, retrospective. Many of the applicants were already in Australia on bridging visas and had been for years. They were informed they no longer have. Visa and must leave within 28 days. Oh, and they could get a refund if they could provide the original paper recipiet for the payment made years before. 

Absolutely crazy. 

7 hours ago, rammygirl said:

If a degree is a requirement then any experience you have before that will not count. So you don’t really gain as you will have zero years of qualified experience after the degree..

For some occupations it can be possible to substitute several years of experience for the degree. You will need to check if this is possible for your occupation. If it is then you can only count the remaining years as qualified experience. 

A good agent may be able to suggest alternative ways or occupations that might help in your case. 

I find it crazy that they will only count experience post degree...especially if the experience can be evidenced and verified. There are lots of experienced talented people who don't necessarily have a degree, but can offer so much to Australia that are not even considered. In cases like this, Australia are pretty much saying a wealth of experience and learning on the job counts for nothing yet someone newly qualified with 2/3 years post degree experience would be welcomed...then once visa approved they don't even check if that person is actually working in the occupation they get their visa granted on, the whole process is baffling! I can't understand how Australia efficiently measure the success of their immigration system. 

I know so many people with degrees who have little experience in the role and admit they learn more on the job than at university, I also have friends who have emigrated with degrees through skilled visas, only to arrive in Australia and change career to a non skilled occupation or set up dog walking businesses! 

I agree to speak with a migration agent who will be able to best advise, just find it so sad that people who have years of valuable experience are completely discounted just because they don't hold a 3 year university degree. A lot of people did and do not have the opportunity to go to university yet have worked hard to build a successful career for themselves and they get completely ruled out when they could in fact offer a lot to the Australian job market. 

Firstly, I'm sorry to hear about your dad. Caring for a loved one with terminal illness is awful especially whilst also dealing with the breakdown of your relationship as well. You sound to have the weight of so much on your shoulders, maybe it's time to put yourself first. Can you take a bit of time before having to make a final decision? 

From what you have written, my first thought is that you seem more passionate about your life in Oz. When you have listed the pros & cons, the pros for Australia are heavily related to lifestyle, career fulfilment and future opportunities. Where as the pros for UK are all based around being here to support family and a sense of duty. When in times of upset and uncertainty it's human nature to look for the familiar, so that's perhaps why you feel drawn to the UK but this could just be temporary after all you have been through. 

I think the best way to look at it is that no decision is forever (unless you want it to be) and that the door is open to either country if you want it so whichever you choose, if it doesn't work out there will always be the other. 

You sound to have built a life for yourself in Australia with a good job, friends and financial security. Even if you are returning as newly single and it might seem daunting,  it could also be exciting, meeting new people, growing friendships and seeing your life there in a whole new light.

 Personally if it was me I would have to give Oz another chance, see what lies ahead. As much as your family in the UK would like you to stay, you also have to consider what it is you want from your life.

Worst case scenario, moving back to Oz will hopefully give you the clarity you need, rather than staying in the UK and always wondering what if. 

I suppose the best thing about your situation is that being Aus citizens you always have the option to go back and that wherever you feel is home whether it be UK or Oz you have either option available to you.

Love the fact your son said 'I don't think I have another winter in me' - I think we can all relate to that 

Good luck with whatever you decide! 

Aw I'm so sorry you feel this way  

Sounds like you are very homesick and that you will always have a longing to come back to the UK.

You have thought over every scenario and weighed up the pros & cons so only you know if you will act on it and I hope if you make the decision to move back to the UK your husband and family will support your decision for your health & wellbeing.

The only thing I would be conscious of is the 'grass is greener' outlook, it's so easy to look at a situation or circumstance in which you're unhappy and think if I just moved to xxxx it would all be ok and I'd feel better again. Having a holiday and making a permanent move back are two different things.

It's the same for people like me looking to emigrate to Australia - it is easy to see life out there through rose tinted glasses. Ultimately we all see what we want to see. In that same breath, it sounds to me like you will have a restless soul until you at least try living back in the UK. Sorry I'm not much help just read your post and really felt for you. you obviously feel you are in a an impossible situation but as they saying goes, we're all one decision away from a totally different life.  

I hope you manage to find your happiness, whether that be remaining in Perth and making the most of it or if you make the brave decision to leave your life in Australia for a fresh start back in the UK x

1 hour ago, StaceyA84 said:

Hi all. Myself and my husband and our 2 young kids are hoping to move to Perth. I’m a GP and husband plans to look after the kids till they are both at school. We have toyed with the idea of a move to Oz for years, and now given the state the UK is in with Brexit and just a growing disdain for the awful weather here in Scotland, we feel that now is the right time. After 2 amazing holidays in Oz in recent years we feel Perth is the place for us.

I am extremely close to my parents and sister, and my parents are very close to my kids. Needless to say that are devastated (their words) at the thought of us moving away and are not at all keen on the idea of the flight to Oz (they have never been as they are determined not to like it because they know we love it). They are not supportive or understanding of why we want to move (better money, better life, better weather, new opportunities). I have had a very difficult conversation with them recently on the fact we are seriously considering this which has been followed up by them with a series of very emotional texts which are simultaneously making me angry and also feel guilty.

However I really do feel a move to Perth is best for my young family and I at the very least want to give it a try for a couple of years. Any advice for how to deal with telling my family this? Please tell me all the heartache is worth it? 

 

Thanks in advance 

At the end of the day it is your life and you are making this decision for the future of your family. Although you have to consider other people's feelings you don't have to let it influence your final decision no matter how much emotional blackmail you receive. I'm sure there are lots of people who are in your position on here.  

I'm sorry your family don't seem supportive of your decision. It's never going to be easy for everyone to understand or support your decision but I would hope they would respect and love you enough to allow you to follow it regardless of how they feel about it. 

There will always be people who don't understand your decision (especially if they have never visited Oz) and people who are angry/hurt or upset, it's usually for selfish reasons, they are seeing it from their point of view and not yours. 

I think it just comes down to having a frank conversation with people, outlining your reasons for wanting to emigrate and if it is something you are definately decided on, then asking them to accept your decision as by not being supportive and opposing your decision hopefully they will realise they are creating even more distance between you all and that's before you move to the other side of the world.

Goodluck with it and I really hope they come around to understanding and supporting your decision x 

1 hour ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Experience only is normally allowed for POST  qualification. So, the experience you have now is worthless. 

Ok

7 hours ago, Marisawright said:

It sounds like you're not aware of another hurdle in the process.    65 points is the minimum you must score to be allowed to apply - it doesn't mean you'll get invited.

When you apply for a visa, it's not a "first come first served" queue - it's a competition.  The people with the most points win. 

So, for instance, right now there are plenty of accountants applying with 80 points or more.  They're getting picked first, and anyone with fewer points is being ignored. 

If the supply of 80-point applicants dries up, then they start looking at people with lower points  - but new applications are received every single day. 

Every occupation is different, obviously it depends how many people with high points are applying. 

 

Looking at the test assessments online once fully qualified with my experience I would likely score 70-75. 

I'm not an accountant, my background experience is within operational risk management & compliance.

By sounds of it I think my best chance is probably qualifying and then rather than pursuing an independent visa to try a job transfer with sponsorship. Both routes are uncertain but I'll just have to give it my best shot. 

1 hour ago, can1983 said:

That's the minimum to apply, but very little chance of an invitation to apply with 65 points for most occupations

not sure, it just says internal auditor 65 points online

5 hours ago, benj1980 said:

@verystormy has a very good point. What points will you need to have a realistic change of achieving a visa in the future? 70/75? Can you gain these points?

From what I can see the current it's currently set at 65 points.

6 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Auditor (and accountant) are roles that are some of the most likely to be removed and have been flagged for removal repeatedly. Already very difficult to get visas for either as both need very high points

It seems the whole Australian immigration system is incredibly volatile so I suppose it's impossible to judge what will be removed and when.

I have found numerous threads and articles online going back to 2013/14 where they have advised that Accountant may be removed but it hasn't happened yet, still never say never and like you have mentioned, the goal posts have been moved for many occupations to make it more difficult.

 So for any of us looking to re-train to emigrate, it's always going to be a risk, will just have to have faith that we can only do what we feel might give us our best chance at emigrating while still bearing in mind that it might not happen regardless of what steps we take.

I guess more than ever it makes sense for me to train in something I am already skilled at to further my career development over here in the UK and just keep faith that it might also open a door to Australia at some point. 

Either that or my husband might have to re-train in a trade too! Give us double the chance 

Just now, Marisawright said:

It's odd because it's been difficult to get a visa for Australia for many, many years.  I think the perception still lingers from the boom times of the 50's and 60's when the Ten Pound Poms arrived in droves.

Yes I definitely think that's the case. We have so many Australian friends and they think we can apply for a visa, get it granted and move over no problem. Especially the sponsorship option, my husband was offered role with a company to work in their Australia offer in Sydney, then there was a crack down on hiring from abroad so they put a stop to it. Just seems it's a lot harder than ever even if it's on a wanted skill list.

Hi All,

Thank you for your replies 

I originally thought about going into healthcare as I've always had an interest in becoming a midwife but my life took a more corporate path. It's disappointing to hear that Aus are looking to remove healthcare professions from the skills list in the future and that current qualified & experienced professionals are struggling to find work and this certainly puts me off re-training in this field.

I have been in touch with the Chartered institute of Internal Auditors to assess whether I could self fund my study towards an auditing qualification which is looking like a positive option, it would take me 2-3 years but it's in line with my current experience and would also offer me good career progression in the UK if Australia removed it from the MLTSSL. It's also my understanding that many of the Big Accountancy firms in the UK have offices in Australia so sponsorship or job transfer could be possible further down the line so that's another route in if it is removed from the skill list.

I think this is going to be the most viable (but expensive) option!

All of my Australian friends think it's an easy country to get in to and don't seem to understand how difficult it is if you don't have the skills they want!

I've just joined this forum and love reading everyones different experiences.

I also forgot to mention I currently work within a financial team within Assurance, alongside internal audit so there is also an option for me to take independent study to become an internal auditor... however this would be independently financed by me and not via any student loan like other university options. However, I know internal auditor is on the current medium to long term skills list...

Hi All,

Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I have just joined and need some advice! 

Me and my husband absolutely love Australia and have spent the last 6 years trying to emigrate!

In short my husband works for himself as a Graphic Designer (no qualification just experience) and has twice taken 6 month temporary contracts on a Subclass 400 Visa with a company in Australia who have paid for him to go over and stay & work for them, both times he has been based in Brisbane & Sydney and we have taken some time out to travel in Australia afterwards (me on a temp working holiday visa). We hoped there might be a permanent opportunity with his work to emigrate but it's now more than ever looking unlikely to go down his route more than anything as he doesn't have a degree in Graphic Design and I work in a 'normal' office type job with no degree.

In which case, I am looking to retrain in a career that would give us the best opportunity to move. 

I currently work in business development and finance so I would be looking for a complete change in career. I was re-training in hairdressing some years ago for this specific reason and a year into my course, hairdressing was removed from the skills list so I know this is always a risk.

I have been looking at Midwifery or Radiography as I know I can enter access courses which will then likely get me into the required university courses. I know it would be a 3-5 year retraining option but I know it would be worth it.

However, I have seen so much around issues with obtaining visas and getting the correct qualification and experience so again, I'm worried I could end up dedicating some much time to re-training and then the qualification not be easily transferable. 

I guess, in short, I'm looking to understand what re-training route would be most beneficial to go down career wise in order to give us the best shot at emigrating? 

Background (age: he's 36 I'm 31, both professional with further education but without degrees)

Any help or advice is appreciated.

Thank you.