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whatever.

Are you having a larf?

after all that......you come back with "whatever".......and you said I made myself​ look like a "fool"...........

on the contrary. I'm in favour of leaving the EU. I just want it done in a responsible way for the right reasons. When you come out with red top quotes and assumptions it just makes you look like a fool. I don't mind if people voted to leave because they are racist. Be racist and proud I say. I just find it a bit sad when they try and back it up with 'real' reasons. Why wife voted to leave because she hates the banks and what they did with the GFC. Fair enough. Everyone has their reasons.

I could not give a t#ss what you are in favour of.....makes no difference to me.....why not write to David Davies and let him know rather than spill your guts on here hour after hour ripping into anyone that says something you may not agree with?

assumptions? ..... Red top Quotes? (what ever that is)

I gave my opinion on the Indian v Pole migrant influx.....no assumption....just an opinion on what I think will or wont happen and I gave my reasons why.

Assumption = something taken for granted.

The assumptions are spewing from you....you assume I am a "hater" a "daily mail reader" a "racist" I am "ignorant" my knowledge of EU migrants is "biased" .......how do you know all of this?.....no seriously......how?

:biglaugh:Because I read your posts - and stop being such a ****, it really doesn't achieve anything.

 

You said 'all those coming from the EU ... ' and now just 1 will prove your point?

 

Pffffff. You really need to try harder.:biglaugh:

You said I was a "hater".......you said I read the "daily mail"

How do you know that?

Rather than jump on someones post.....throw ludicrous assertions.....and name call.....wouldn't a calm sensible answer be more appropriate?

I got involved because it was claimed the Indians would flood the country instead of the Poles (if we do a trade deal with them), I disagree with that statement because india is on the other side of the world.....much harder to get here from India than say Poland.....and most Indians do not have a pot to p#ss in....live on a couple of $ a day so have very little chance of affording the plane ticket.

Is it not obvious to you why no one bothers much with this thread (or others like it) anymore.....it has you 3 economic experts on here preaching to anyone that dares dip their toe in the mix.....It seems it is not humanly possible that anyone else could possibly have an opinion on this topic without being labelled a racists.....hater....or daily mail reader lol unless they agree with you.....do you not get slightly bored of constantly bemoaning the state of the economy......our future prospects......or this tory government? .....anyway.....you 3 crack on.....you have made a good job of talking dribble for several months and you are still going strong......Incidentally has anything factual actually happened since the vote.....anything else you can get stuck into or are you still going over scenario after scenario until you cover all eventualities......

Plenty more UK residents will make multiple fraudulent benefit applications. Most migrants come here to work hard and get a better life. They tend to get exploited by the British if anything. That's were we should have been concentrating our efforts - making sure they live in suitable housing and weren't exploited. But that would have reduced the profits that the rich scrapped off the top. None of you seem to be addressing the elephant in the room, as to why the governments over the last twenty years have encouraged immigration, and May is on that list.

 

I know you are a hater and a daily mail reader but try and keep it real mate.

Ahhhh the spin doctors on overtime.......you need to follow the thread and stop putting your own spin on things......no one has mentioned the comparison between UK and EU benefit claims......it has nothing whasoever to do with the point I am making.......are you saying that no EU immigrants or Illegal immigrants enter into any dodgy claims or fraudulent benefit applications?

just how do you know I am a "hater" as you call it? I am intrigued to know where you get this info from?......I would not dream of trying to make such ridiculous claims as these without having any firm knowledge/proof.....maybe thats the difference between us......I stick to the facts......you.......

How do you know what paper I read? have you been playing with your crystal ball again......do tell.....

Are you implying that people who presently have the right to enter the UK legally sneak in illegally instead?

If I were you I would try and loose that smart ar#e persona you give off......I am implying that we do not know how many immigrants we have......plenty of illegals enter the country.....plenty of legals from the EU will make multiple fraudulent benefit applications using false Id's ......you are delusional if you think all of those coming to this country do not take advantage.

even under our current visa system India and China feature heavily. After brexit they will easily fill the gap. Look at the numbers. Apart from Poland eastern Europeans aren't that high. Free up entry a little and we will easily fill up with Indians and Chinese.

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11622718/Immigration-nation-where-are-the-Britains-migrants-coming-from-and-why.html

the ones you know about......

you think the Indian government wants their fruit pickers and cleaners to gain experience from the UK? You think this is important enough to build into a trade deal. Really?

What pomsinoz website are you reading?

All I have done is question someones suggestion that we would be inundated with Indian migrants if we do deals with them just like we have been inundated with eastern european migrants because we are in the EU.....I base this on eastern europe being a few hundred miles away by land rather than a few thousand by air and the fact your average Indian does not have a pot to p#ss in so getting here would be very very hard.....much harder than jumping in car in Poland with 3 mates sharing the petrol to the UK......do you get it now......who mentioned fruit pickers and cleaners..........

you know you and the other 2 that frequent this thread are not the "knowledge" of this subject......even if you do read broad sheet news papers, dabble in stocks and shares and are fully paid up members of "momentum.....doesn't make you the brexit genius's....the levels of your arrogance are embarrassing.....

The levels of your ignorance are astounding. Half my office has been imported from India. We have enough Indians now that we honour all their religious celebrations (the food is top notch). All of the Indians I work with are very affluent. They have a high standard of living here and at home. You knowledge of European immigrants is also amazingly biased. Do you know any? I know several. Great people, living their lives pretty much as we do. Only real difference is they tend to speak with a slight accent.

We are discussing the sudden influx of millions of Indians if the UK does a trade deal with India.....not the current Indian population......3/4 of the population live in rural areas most under or on the poverty line.....their middle class live off $10 to $20 a day.....not a lot of change to save for the flight to the UK.....not quite as easy as hopping in a car for destination "Dover"?

Yes they do have a rich elite and that was the point I made regarding those coming to this country to "learn a bit and live a bit".......not be a drain on our society.....following the recent Brexit vote I doubt it would go down very well.....eh.....what do you think?

Yes I know lots of Eastern Europeans.....I would be so bold as to say, a lot more than you.....I employ a few.....I buy from a few.....I have quite a few as customers......I also know and have known lots that have been and gone with just one intention.

India has a vast population with a potential growth in its middle class booming for the next 20 years,it is taking the same trajectory as China just 15 years behind it, I would think that penetrating its market would be the jewel in the crown for us, but its growing population is going to want access to our market and that is going to be the downside to any trade treaty with a market that will benefit us, that is the reality that nobody had the b*lls to say in the referendum but is now becoming clearer, so we might as well have sucked up the east Europeans as have the problems created by the same number from the Indian sub continent.

 

And all of that will, as you say, become a issue because Trump may want a trade deal but with his protectionist views it may be too one sided for even May to consider it.

 

The problem that we are going to have is that we cannot spend 5,6,7 years squabbling over the fine detail of a treaty, we are going to be in the position of take or leave it and that is something that the likes of Duncan Smith are in complete denial about, strutting around like a puffed up Peacock thinking he's Disraeli and he'll send a couple of gunboats up the Danube"they don't ike it up 'em Mr Mainwaring" and that 'll sort it all out.

Not going to happen.....even if we do some trade deal with India we will never experience the influx of Indians on the scale of the Eastern Europeans.....many of which are "crash and grab" economic migrants.....arriving several to a car......sleeping several to a room.....staying a year or two to earn as much as they can and then leave dragging our own wages....living and working standards down with them in the process.....most Indians have not got a pot to p#ss in and can barely afford to eat and put a roof over their heads let alone buy a plane ticket to the UK with enough money to keep them going for a few weeks until they can get a job picking fruit......the immigration issue is for the wealthy few and educated few that could come here.....learn a bit and live a bit.

We have our visa 189 and it's been validated.

We just can't decide whether to go or not. We have 3 kids all under 4 and a nice house in a nice Village. But just feel like the lifestyle here doesn't suit us as in none of our friends want to socialise as families they still just want their nights out on the p*ss. We have absolutely no family help so have never had a babysitter and never had any time alone from the kids. We find it a bit lonely and would love a lifestyle where we socialise as a family with other families.

Problem with Oz is we would definitely have a lot less money. A similar type house would be about twice the price.

If we stay in UK we could afford nice holidays and husband could work part time.

What are your thoughts? Is OZ worth the sacrifice of financial security? Is it worth the gamble? Or is the quality of life I'm yearning perhaps right in front me just needing some adjustments?

 

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In a word "No"

Reading your post it appears you have quite a decent life already and are really only looking for perfection which is impossible to find. I honestly do not think you will find a better life in Australia.....from our experience most people we met were desperate for a circle of friends and would move hell or high water to keep hold of any they had.....not very welcoming to new arrivals......I always felt they where fearful of losing what friendships they had to newbies......I would be very careful.....Gareths post is very true and very similar to how we found it (apart from work)......If you live in a nice house.....have a decent job and income.....good lifestyle then stay where you are......go on an extended holiday and enjoy the best parts but be very cautious of giving everything up......when we went it was all we wanted to do and we were 100% on the move.....I cannot imagine going through all that again if I was not 100% convinced it was the right thing......Goodluck!

I thought that was Tony Blair.......:GEEK:

Don't do a 'pollie' on us, answer the question, what is a known unknown.

you don't know what a "known unknown" is????

The size of the universe is a known unknown......we know we don't know how big it is......how many bubbles are in Jeremy's bottle of Prosecco.....we know we don't know.....Brexit.....we know its going to happen but we don't know when or how.........ZZZzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzz

Since you contribute yourself, Is it safe to assume that you are one of the other economic experts frequenting these threads with many pages of dribble?

Never assume anything.....you will make an...............well you know the score I'm sure.

And the point of this slightly pointless post is?

Just for the sake of those of us who have not made a life study of Donald Rumsfelds gobbledegook, could you give an example of a 'known unknown' .

And the point of this slightly pointless post is?

Just for the sake of those of us who have not made a life study of Donald Rumsfelds gobbledegook, could you give an example of a 'known unknown' .

Sorry repeat posting

:laugh:......yeh ok.....you couldn't have scripted this any better......:laugh:

apparently they need 30,000 public servants to help with brexit. You would be an asset with logic like that. You should apply.

why on earth would they need 30,000 public servants.....with economic experts like yourself and others frequenting these threads......sharing your wealth of knowledge and foresight.....a browse through the many pages of dribble should provide enough info for a successful Brexit.....and if all else fails a quick massage of that crystal ball should suffice.

There are known knowns. These are the things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

And you know all this as fact ? I haven't got a clue as to how his term in office will pan out and neither do you by the sounds of it you are ready to jump into the river.

 

People voted the way they did for a reason and maybe they have had enough of career politicians they wanted change

Thatcher had a massive majority,like wise with Blair sure there were tough times and difficult decisions made but we kept on going and we all will this time ,

The comments going about on social media are a joke , I am neither pro Trump or anti Trump but believe in democracy and that has what has happened the people of America have decided.

He will have to remove the noose from around his neck first.......

The Limousine Liberals and Lear Jet Liberals jetting around the world burning fossil fuels whilst trying to prevent global warming......go someway to explaining the way the vote went......Yep Trump is also a mega rich Billionaire with a private jet......The American vote was not so much for Trump.....but against Clinton and sick of the champagne socialism.....at least Jeremy has appearance on his side......he looks very much like an out of work Physics teacher.....not a Lear jet in sight.

 

As for all the references to Hitler, this may seem like mass hysteria to someone living so far away, but there has been an atmosphere of racial tension building up, helped along no end by Nigel Farage. There are some tenuous parallels with the rise of the nazis, and I find it quite frightening to see how quickly incidences of racism seem to have increased.

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This is complete rubbish.....it is "mass hysteria" and quite frankly a huge over exaggeration of our current situation......I live here....read the news every morning and evening.....I visit 4 or 5 households every day in my work......I chat to people and Brexit is high on the agenda.....none of what you say is mentioned.....in fact it is mostly positive regarding the UK getting out and looking forward not back.....I cannot recall any racial incidents apart from one or two in the first week or so of the Brexit vote......to me......things are just the same as they were on the 22nd June 2016.....its forums and discussions like these that breed the very hysteria you mentioned......if you are heading out to Oz then you clearly have already made up your mind......Brexit to you just reinforces your decision to move.......I have seen it all before.....I was one of them once......I look forward to reading your story in a few years once you have settled in Oz.........

Did you think I would not remember what I have posted and not check back tho this thread to verify that those are not my words, BUT IF THE CAP FITS THEN WEAR IT.

Are you shouting at me?

Unfortunately they are your words from another Brexit thread.....this is what makes this all the funnier.....you complain about bitchy comments interfering with a good healthy debate yet you indulge in those very same bitchy comments on the same topic......with the same posters......on other threads......but expect them to now have a clean and healthy debate now that it suits you......Brilliant!

Why can't we have a reasoned discussion with a recognition of the validity of other peoples opinions without resorting to this kind of abusive silliness.

What.....like an intelligent discussion in which all opinions are accepted and everyone's views.....leave or remain.....are respected?.......I think posts like the one below have kind of put some people off......

The problem that now becomes clearer and clearer is that the thickos who are obsessed with sovereignty and immigration had no thought for the complexities of being an independent trading nation in a globalised world, not only no thought but no understanding, they thought we could just go back to the good 'ole' Empire days'.

As I said 'thickos.

It doesn't matter who wanted what, the referendum was clear cut, more people voted out than in.

BUT.......17 million voted out......16 million voted in.......out of a total of 47 million.....which means that 30 million didn't vote out........:biglaugh:

I said "all" because I meant all. And by "all" I was referring to the posters (of whom I mentioned 3 of the most vociferous over many years) that have never, to my acknowledge, indicated in thousands of posts that Britain was anything other than the best place to live, work, bring up a family etc etc. It turns out that "all" of these people now believe that the UK is going to be better off outside the EU. Why anyone would want to mess with perfection is beyond me.....unless secretly they had never really liked their life in the UK anyway perhaps.

Yes but you only mentioned those 3 after you had been pulled on the "all" tag......the ability to interpret what you say.....without you actually saying it requires a rare talent.

Yes. I really don't think you need a crystal ball to conclude that the EU are not going to budge on the free movement of people as a pre-requisite for continued access to the single market. Two years potentially of 'negotiations' would result in Brexit with no trade deal with the UKs largest trading block and any trade deal would potentially take many years or even decades.

 

Some see this as an opportunity for the UK to strike trade deals elsewhere but the UK will be desperate for these and desperation does not give the UK a strong hand. I see that India are looking to link free movement of people and easier access to visas to a trade deal for instance. The problem with trade deals is that you have to have things that suit the other party more than you.

 

Maybe there are some with law degrees etc who feel they know better but have had little or no experience of negotiations. I have, and they are bloody hard. It helps if you don't go into them with the view that you are numero uno and everyone should kowtow to the 6th largest economy and the founder of the British Empire with the 2nd highest medal tally in the Olympics etc.

So....it is done.....your are fully converted and now preaching from the book of Hoff......lol

When is the op?......brain out.....pie in......lol

Yes. I really don't think you need a crystal ball to conclude that the EU are not going to budge on the free movement of people as a pre-requisite for continued access to the single market. Two years potentially of 'negotiations' would result in Brexit with no trade deal with the UKs largest trading block and any trade deal would potentially take many years or even decades.

 

Some see this as an opportunity for the UK to strike trade deals elsewhere but the UK will be desperate for these and desperation does not give the UK a strong hand. I see that India are looking to link free movement of people and easier access to visas to a trade deal for instance. The problem with trade deals is that you have to have things that suit the other party more than you.

 

Maybe there are some with law degrees etc who feel they know better but have had little or no experience of negotiations. I have, and they are bloody hard. It helps if you don't go into them with the view that you are numero uno and everyone should kowtow to the 6th largest economy and the founder of the British Empire with the 2nd highest medal tally in the Olympics etc.

Not actually true.....again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37763913

Typo? You mean inflation?

 

That is the irony. The EU has kept inflation down allowing us to grow without raising rates. Obviously that will change but not for three years. There will be currency devaluation induced inflation, but much less than I thought. Haven't seen any yet. Inflation is not a short term problem that we need to worry about.

 

Even petrol hasn't gone up.

 

Anyone waiting for a better pound may wait awhile.

Well Ob v iou sly......makes perfect sense....all with all you other predictions.....lol