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9 minutes ago, wombatinabox said:

If you are eligible under BOTH old and new rules you might as well apply now. It puts you in the waiting queue for processing. As you know, the wait times have increased from 3-6 months to now 16 months due to massive backlog created by the freeze. 

If freeze continues it will soon exceed 20 months wait time so you might as well block a slot in the queue now if you are eligible. 

16 months thats crazy wife is only One Left in family to apply but We Never bothered as heard loose Application fee etc etc.

And if new rules did apply then she would need to wait till july 2018 anyway.

Was tempted regardless for her still to apply back in june but now that you say that maybe if new rules did kick in by time they did her application it be officially ok as she be under new rules anyway.

But if these new rules don't kick in and go in her favor or old rules then maybe she will have a head start.

Surely they cant keep a back log for that long aint they going to start new staff so they can catch up.

Sometimes i wonder if its even worth it to be honest.

15 minutes ago, Jason Martin said:

Hopefully it is a glitch.  Trying to get my application done before Parliament resits.

What the reason of trying to apply before parliament starts? When do they start?

Am i missing something here while was able to apply under old rules back on 1st june but we left it for now to see what happens under new rules she would not be able to apply till july 2018.

Ideally would prefer if we could apply now but is there any point?

1 minute ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Is your wife 457? In which case it has nothing to do with citizenship as she would need PR before citizenship 

I know now its nothing to do with citizenship yes she is already pr for 3 yrs now

1 hour ago, Ken said:

If you'd taken the trouble to read the link that was posted (and the link within that) you'd know this was about the change to employer sponsored visa rules from 1st July which were originally announced as also applying to visa applications lodged (but not approved) before 1st July. Now the visa applications lodged before 1st July will be processed under the old rules. This has absolutely nothing to do with your wife's situation and I have no idea why it's been posted on this "Changes to pathway to citizenship" thread.

 

PS: Just realised what the connection is. The change to the employer sponsored visa rules mean that certain applicants are now only eligible for a 2 year visa which can be extended for a further 2 years but gives no pathway to citizenship. These people who applied before 1st July do now have a pathway to citizenship available to them as they'll be eligible for a 4 year visa and be allowed to apply for permanent residency.

Ok thanks thats why i had asked i thought it was something else never seen that part you posted  about what it was all about.

12 minutes ago, Rorz said:

What is your wife's situation? 

I probably have mentioned a million times on here she was eligible to apply under old rules 1st jun 2017. But cause they changed or wanted to change rules from 20th april under old rules she cant.

She would have her 4 yrs pr july 2018 which is when she could apply. So what is this new comment about from 1st july?

3 minutes ago, Rorz said:

If what Sarah is saying is correct it would mean the changes are only effective from 1st July. Not sure on the validity of her comment though

Still dont get it or what it means and regarding my wife being able to apply or not officially yes on old rules but not on new.

Anyone care to tell me what this is about?

6 minutes ago, Rorz said:

This comment on Linkedin today might be of interest 

 

Such brilliant news today, the government retracted it's extremely unfair decision to retrospectively apply the 1/7/17 changes to applications lodged prior to 1 July. Best day I've had since 17/4/2017.

 

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6290805811287592960/ 

What does that mean? For a wife who could apply on 1st june 2017 but never did due to new rules which means she could only apply july 2018,which yet nobody knows what's happening.

Im not sure what this is about or means?

1 hour ago, wombatinabox said:

Hi Folks,

An update, i've been busy emailing senators and house members to persuade them to be on our side and i've been researching the political game involved, so to make it easy for everyone here:

1. All 9 Greens Senators are united in throwing out this bill entirely (i've contacted all of them all they are consistent)

2. Tony Burke assured me that Labor is also united in opposing this bill or atleast the following aspects (English Test, backdating/retrospective aspect, new powers for Immigration Minister to override courts). 

3. Nick Xenophon Team are still on the fence but they are leaning towards opposing the bill especially the backdating/retrospective aspect and the English test, new minister powers. Having said that he still needs persuading from the public as he hasn't taken a position yet.

So now the decision and balance of power for the citizenship Bill pretty much comes down to the following Senators who are on the fence/leaning towards opposing:

1. Nick Xenophon (Team Xenophon Party) senator.xenophon@aph.gov.au

2. Stirling Griff (Team Xenophon Party) senator.griff@aph.gov.au

3. Skye Kakoschke-Moore (Team Xenophon Party) senator.kakoschke-moore@aph.gov.au

4. Derryn Hinch (Justice Party) senator.hinch@aph.gov.au

 5. Lucy Gichuhi (Independent) senator.gichuhi@aph.gov.au

 

Everyone here affected must email these Senators asap with your story and opposition to this bill and ask these senators to reject the bill (or parts of it that most affect you). We need as many people as possible persuading these senators. 

 

 

 

Have emailed them all but i do wonder if they even bother to read them.

My wife should have applied 1st june 2017 under old rules but cant now till july 2018 to have 4 yrs pr required. Ok english test is another things we are against etc.

But our reason's for not applying for her citizenship is due to unsure how this go,might not get fee back and applications are frozen.

Would it be worth applying now as they swing towards rejecting the new rules? Or wait a bit longer?

If wife called dibp to see when she was eligible would they tell her its from date we last asked of 1 june or would it be july 2018 which is under new rules not yet passed.

And can you still apply online now or have they put a stop to this with a backlog.

Want to move forward on this and i suppose many others do, but just getting the info together etc can take long enough.

1 hour ago, Shigeaki Yoshida said:

Damn it. I would have applied for Citizenship this May as I had been PR for one year but now I have to wait for 3 more years. If the days spent outside of Australia do not count, it means that I would have to wait for more than 3 years if I go overseas for travel/business. Does anyone know exactly how to count the days for this?

If you had applied in may you would still be too late as they mentioned the changes on 20th april.

My wife was due to apply 1st june but we have left it on hold until we see what happens,been here just over 4 yrs but 3 yrs of this wife has been pr. So its now july 2018 before she can apply under new rules or if they do changes etc in her favour then she can apply.

Im not willing to risk losing the fee if things dont change and what be the point as believe there is backlog anyway.

As many others have said and yes we have wrote to many places from here and elsewhere how annoyed we are.

Two main things they should consider anyone who is already pr should not be affected and bin the english test,but yes could make test a little different but to be honest its ok as is.

I wish they roll on with this so everyone knows what to do.

4 minutes ago, Spinny said:

for what it may be worth....

https://www.gofundme.com/process-the-applications

 

What is this going to do or what's it for?

3 hours ago, logbook100 said:

Anyone heard rumour says the new law might be implemented from 1 Jan next year instead of 20 Apr as they are still negotiating the details...?

I hope your right but im sure many of us would have heard about it also.

4 hours ago, Ali369829 said:

?http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/06/20/labor-decides-oppose-citizenship-changes

So what does this all mean when do we know if changes have happened or not,my wife was due to apply 1st june this month but due to new rules would be july next year as she will have gained by then her 4 yrs pr. She has been here 4 yrs but as part if her visa was temp she had two yrs temp. She got granted pr on July 2014.

So does this mean we can get the ball rolling and apply or wait it out a bit longer. I know she has not got so long of a wait as others under new rules but if she can apply asap i rather she did.

The fact is they dont want us to be citizens as they sure are making it hard for us. Well i already am one but feel sorry for my wife who now needs to wait over a year longer and both our kids and i already are citizens. It was migrants who made australia what it is today and this how they pay you back by making it even harder to get.

1 hour ago, wombatinabox said:

Thanks for confirming, I've been saying this for a while. All apps are frozen after April 20. We are looking at 2 year wait.

Again the back dating is the main issue, Which is why if you havent already make a submission asap this is the last week and protest the back dating specifically. We need to get that thrown out 

Lol where do you get 2 yrs wait from?

12 minutes ago, Keep me in oz said:

Sorry if you become eligible for the new rules within three months of them changing the law then they will roll your money over to your new application.

it guess it depends on whether you have decided to apply or not! If you have and they do change the law you may lose the money, or you may not! 

His is all ballocks to be honest australia dont half do things the hard way wife is as well switch off and wait till next year in july when she will have her 4 yrs pr. As its all if,buts,maybe,not sure and just does your head in.

39 minutes ago, Keep me in oz said:

I just spoke to immigration to and asked what would be happening with my application she said that it will be only hold until July/August until the legislation has been discussed more! 

 

She mentioned that that people who aren't eligible for the new criteria MAY get a refund and said they have been advised that people who happen to become eligible for a three month period after the change the department would hold their fee meaning they wouldn't have to pay again. 

I told her I wouldn't be eligible under new legislation for another 3 years and she said its very likely that I would have to wait that length of time and meet the new criteria.

everyone we all seem to speak to there has something slightly different to say but it's looking more and more likely that those who applied after 20th April are in for a huge wait, some changes and some diasappoinemnt! 

Keep positive people!

What do you mean 3 month period is this still under old or new rules.

So what does this mean for wife who was eligible 1st june under old rules and in july will have 3 yrs pr? But new rules its july next year.

3 hours ago, seraphim said:

Confirmed. Just been on the phone to immi, and received their official "unofficial' can't say but.  They were very honest. Regardless of application (i.e we are 4 years PR and British citizens very straightforward etc) nothing is going to happen to ANY post 20th application until new laws are discussed, drafted, new tests pledges and exams made and tested, so for anyone 21st and later , look at 2 years not 8-10 months, just for the government to pull it's proverbial finger out.  

 

Can we get a slow hand clap for Turnbull and his knee jerk panic about being ousted as leader!

 

So what does this mean for wife who was eligible 1st june under old rules and in july will have 3 yrs pr? But new rules its july next year.

14 minutes ago, rammygirl said:

I didn't see this where has it been stated that refunds will be given?

Where does it say this?

40 minutes ago, dredg97 said:

Backdating basing on an announcement without even a Bill drafted doesn't seem the norm to me.

Avalanche of applications? Only those meeting the residency requirements would be eligible, therefore I don't see any increase in the volume of applications if the retrospective nature of the proposal will be dropped.

Labor is against certain aspects and I have personally received responses in this direction from MPs and senators from their party.

Time will tell if this will become law or not, for the moment the above is just your speculation.

So if your wife was eligible under old rules on 1st june to apply would you just go ahead? Or wait till next year july next year where she will have 4yrs pr by then which is required under new rules.

I simply cant afford to apply and down the line get rejected and loose the fee,if refunded then all good.

But we had hoped before all this was announced that wife would be citizen by end of this or into next.

Mine too about 7 months and this was with a 1 month delay due to my daughter still being on temp visa when she was supposed to be pr.

At my interview they noticed this but it which was not known to us or nothing to do with us but admin error. As when wife went from partner visa temp to pr daughter should have been same but she wasn't.

So it delayed mine for a month until it was sorted. She needed to be pr before she could get citizenship which they changed.

But we are just over a week and not sure if should go ahead or what.

My wife was due to apply for citizenship 1st june 2017 under old rules,which she has or will have been 4 yrs in australia and come july 3 yrs of this will have been pr.

Under new rules its now july next year to apply to have the 4yrs pr not sure if we should just go ahead next month or wait till next year.

I wonder if there have been many who have applied under old rules just gone ahead and done so to see what happens.

What calculator they dont have it on there site anymore?

16 hours ago, Ken said:

At the moment you can only apply under the old rules because the new rules have not yet been passed into law. The problem is that the government has said that when they are passed into law they will apply to anyone making an application after they were announced (on 20th April I believe). That means you can apply but might subsequently be rejected. You might be entitled to your application fee back if the application was valid under the old rules but not the new rules but that's the only compensation you'll be able to claim.

You might be entitled to your application fee back if the application was valid under the old rules but not the new rules but that's the only compensation you'll be able to claim.

So as the new rules are not law yet and say you can apply on the date under old rules what do you mean?

If going by old rules wife can apply 1st june but if we left it and went under new rules it be july next yr where she will have gained her yrs pr.

To be honest they are just complete clowns the way they have gone about all this.

I just hope this does not pass. But we have a while yet to wait to see,while all of us or many of us are affected. When a few simple changes could be made,but no the country is run by clowns.

On 21/04/2017 at 2:59 PM, ahad12 said:

@Zet01  I spoke to my migration agent. He said we can apply , if they approve the new rule they will refund the application fee. Even I am not sure whether to take risk of applying.

So what is your situation with applying for citizenship? When can you apply under old rules and also new rules?

Have you applied and if so when and was there any issues applying online you was not blocked due new rules?

So you have an agent and he said to apply and if new rules do pass you still be refunded? Do you mind sending me a pm telling me who your agent is,I used one a  while back for my pr and wife's partner visa and he knew his stuff I'm just curious who you agent is.

But he maybe just said that to get his fee also from you but it would be a bit harsh if all along he knew you would never get refunded and lose his too.

But sounds interesting your agent says to go ahead,I don't mind or should I say wife does not mind applying as long as got refund.

its either apply in June which is 4 yrs for wife in Australia and come July month after be 3yrs pr she will have or wait till next July 2018 to have gained the 4yrs pr under new rules.

By the time the new rules kicked in if they pass say this is the end of 2017 or start of 2018,it be only 7 months after that she be eligible under new rules, would be a bit harsh if they rejected then being so close.

Im tempted to just go ahead as normal and see what happens but really don't want to be rejected and get no refund. If your agent says do it then I'm inclined to go by what they say,I wonder if they know something we don't?

Anyway if your not eligible now cause of the new rules they should not allow you online but if it is allowing you then surely you have a compaint there if was rejected and got no refund, cause they allowed us to apply and new rules are not law as yet.

15 minutes ago, Keep me in oz said:

Essentially nobody knows what's happening. 

 

All I know is that I only have 1 year pr and I am applying online in the hope that I get my citizenship before the laws change! It's a long shot, but a shot!

Yes but can you? Or have the not changed that part online yet?

I know from experience with mine i could only apply last year on a date when i was eligible.

But as we have new rules are we still eligible to apply under old rules if we are what happens then?

They leave it on hold? It slips through? Or the laws dont pass and we have head start?

Or could they reject it and not refund the money?

It would be great if my wife can apply as it would have been 1st june. But now to qualify under new rules as pr she is now july next yr which will be the 4 yrs of pr for her.

We if she is eligible to do online still on old date will give it a shot but surely they not cancek it as its a bit of work just getting all the stuff together.

And as for any police check im not going to rush into getting that as only good for a certain time 12 months if i remember?

1 hour ago, Keep me in oz said:

Yea that's what I'm hoping!!! They can't hold off for that long and some of ours will slip through!

So what does all this mean? Wife was eligible 1st june 2017 was on partner visa which is 2 yrs temp and 2 yrs pr come july this year she will have been 3 yrs pr.

But under these new rules she cannot apply till july 2018 as needs thar extra 1 yr as pr.

Do we still apply and can you online? Or should it be paper based? Prefer online.

Or will she simply not be able to apply as all these rules etc etc are not even passed yet.

I know its backdated etc but has anyone been able to apply online and got further under old rules.

I would hate that come 1st june she could have applied but we left it till the extra yr is up but could have sooner or we just dreaming.