Zeehayder

29 minutes ago, AJ said:

Maybe it would be best to return and look after them in your home country if you dont believe in the way things are done in Australia - just saying!

You missed the word culture  so I never said I don't believe the way things are done in Australia. Cultural differences and values will always stay hence we have diverse word (and diversity training  ) existing in this world  

27 minutes ago, Nemesis said:

It may not say that in so many words, but the fact is that your visa was issued to allow you, plus spouse and children if applicable, to migrate to Australia. Nowhere in the visa grant does it say that you can ask you extended family to join you later.

It may the norm in your own country to count your parents as part of your family unit, and to expect them to be able to reside with you in their old age, but it is not the norm in Australia.

nowhere it says you CANNOT  

25 minutes ago, Nemesis said:

It may not say that in so many words, but the fact is that your visa was issued to allow you, plus spouse and children if applicable, to migrate to Australia. Nowhere in the visa grant does it say that you can ask you extended family to join you later.

It may the norm in your own country to count your parents as part of your family unit, and to expect them to be able to reside with you in their old age, but it is not the norm in Australia.

Not sure if you know or not but they recently added parents to immediate family  . #innovation #humanity #familyvalues

I am an immediate family member of an Australian citizen or permanent resident or New Zealand citizen usually resident in Australia

Entry to Australia remains controlled to help prevent the spread of COVID-19. You can only travel to Australia if you are exempt or you have been granted an individual exemption.

You can travel to Australia if you are an immediate family member of:

• an Australian citizen
• an Australian permanent resident (permanent visa holder)
• a New Zealand citizen who is usually resident in Australia.

You are only considered to be an immediate family member if you are:

• a spouse
• a de facto partner
• a dependent child
• a parent/legal guardian of a dependent child
• a parent of an adult Australian citizen or permanent resident (available from 1 November 2021).

6 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:

Yes it’s a very emotive subject.! According to the website for 600 you must be applying as a “genuine visitor” ie you intend to return home!   

Obviously we all know people do go on to apply for another visa but it’s probably not the best thing to do to talk about it on an open forum. 

I’ve seen a lot of posts all over social media recently and 600 seems to be carrying more conditions. No further stay, shorter stay periods and proof of applicants own assets to prove they have sufficient funds for during their stay. 
 

I appreciate you will be paying for private health insurance ($50 per person seems very cheap to me !?) but are you aware that they would not be covered for any aged care at all on a bridging visa? Or if they become really ill during their wait and their potential costs would be over $49000 over 5 years they could be asked to leave. I do respect that, as you say, you look after your parents but sometimes things can go very wrong. 

Also I don’t know if you’re aware that the government do not like 804 visa and tried to stop it some years ago  There is currently a senate enquiry going on into parent visas and is due to report in March next year. People and organisations were able to make submissions. There were many complaints about 804 and it’s likely they will be looking at this visa very closely once more  

It’s difficult for so many because they have to wait offshore  - and it’s a very long wait now- so to be fair,  all visa applicants should be able to have the same option. That’s probably the main reason why people get emotional about it. They could cope with the length of wait time if they could do it onshore with their families. 
 

 

 

I fully agree and understand hence I am exploring options that I have. I am aware of the expenses, I am already supporting them so that does not bother me at all. They won't need aged care as they will stay with us and we will be taking care of them until they are alive. We do not believe in sending parents to old age house which is very common culture there. 

Just now, Skani said:

You made the choice to migrate and leave your parents.

The Australian government is under no obligation to accept the parents of a migrant so,  no....it is not your "right".  

It may consent to do so...in which case be grateful.  Very few  countries even offer the possibility.

so you are saying everyone who moves abroad for their career and then wants to bring their parents along should be punished or should select one of the options? where does it say that?

When we move abroad nowhere it was mentioned as a condition that once I move abroad and get settled I cannot live with your parents if that was the condition on my papers then you can say that

I am glad that we have rules and laws   else people like you can make their own hatred rules. I never said that Australia govt is under obligation, I am just exploring all available options  

1 minute ago, Marisawright said:

If you bring your parents to Australia with the intention of not leaving even if their visa application is rejected, that is illegal. And that’s exactly what you just said you’re planning to do

Again are you talking about 15 years later if their application is rejected based on not passing medical? Well you started predicting to which I have to reply so I simply replied back saying we will seek options available at that time and I stated HR in that.

I was born without the gift of protecting the future so I only go with things/options available at the current moment of life. You may be alive forever but I only go with short term goals  

Again if you cannot help stop responding here as your services are not required   

3 hours ago, LindaH27 said:

@Zeehayder are you aware that on an open forum like this that it is very likely immi also have access?? You may have set up a red flag!! 

I know but as stated a few times I am not doing anything illegal so why would I worry or hide? I am going by their defined rules and laws and checking out all possibilities with the community openly as I know my intentions. Now, do you allow me to explore options?  I am surprised to see negativity/anger on this forum, if people commenting on this forum becomes visa offices/judge or start defining law then I would say RIP for for that sector  

1 hour ago, Quoll said:

It's about time that they started putting a no further stay clause on all visitor visas, just reading these boards with people who want to queue jump the system left right and centre.  The right thing to do is to put in your application for the CPV and make regular visits while you wait. But wait offshore like the folk who are doing it by the rules.

What do you think of people granting visas, are dump? don't they know about this? They also know by human rights they cannot stop family reunite hence they occasionally put restrictions based on circumstances.

How difficult is it for them to define and put 1 line restriction on every visit visa? think over it, if a common person like you can figure this out then the visa officer who specialises in this area won't know this ? 2 minutes silence for you  

3 hours ago, Toots said:

@Zeehayder should be very careful.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/exclusive-great-grandmother-93-could-be-deported-after-11-years-in-australia/062e3c85-ac56-485e-8a37-7dce870efca3

Thanks for sharing

3 hours ago, Booma said:

It’s people doing things like this that is causing the rules to be continuously tightened so it is getting harder and harder for people who are playing by the rules. It makes me very angry.

I am also going by rules and not breaking any rules. Read the post again, I never said that I will make them stay there illegally, I only said will avail the option we have now and will see what happens after 15 years as the world may end in 15 years or no one is alive so I cannot stop myself thinking about 15 years later or planning about 15 years later  

This is also for sister @Marisawright. Live in today's world and stop planning for 15 years later

3 hours ago, Marisawright said:

That is a disgraceful thing to say. You are saying that, even if there is no legal way for your parents to stay, you will seek to embarrass the Australian government into allowing them to stay anyway? You should be ashamed of yourself. 

well, what is disgraceful in it? 

Am I breaking any law?

Am I lying?

Am I doing anything against the defined law?

I won't be relying on the state benefits not my parents, will have private insurance to cover medical and all

What I am doing is 

To spend time together as a family for rest of the life

Worried for my parents.

Want to spend time with my family which is my right

Want to make sure the rest of my parents' life is spent together and is hassle-free

Want to make sure that my parents have support and access to their children whenever they need

Isn't this my right or should I suffer/be punished for moving abroad and serving the community? 

I know you may have different culture but this is how we define our family values. I don't need any further argument. If you cannot help then you go to other forum/post to take your frustration/anger out  

2 minutes ago, Amber Snowball said:

Paul is himself a reputable agent. See his signature for his website to contact him. Good luck.

dialed his number and currently on hold  

4 hours ago, paulhand said:

On a more technical level, until your 2nd brother is granted permanent residence status, your parents will not meet the balance of family test for a parent visa. I suggest you set up a consultation with a registered migration agent to go through possible pathways. 

Thanks Paul, will they consider if my brother has applied for PR or do they require PR as an active status?

Do you know any good immigration consultants? 

13 hours ago, Marisawright said:

There are permanent parent visas, but the waiting time for those visas is over 15 years.  

If they arrive in Australia and then apply for a permanent visa, they will be put on a bridging visa which will allow them to stay until the visa is granted (which, as I say, will be at least 15 years).  However, that is not an easy choice.

On a bridging visa, they are not permanent residents and have no status in Australia. They will not be entitled to any pensions or benefits or Medicare.  Without Medicare, medical treatment will be very expensive indeed.   They are not allowed to buy the health insurance available to permanent residents, so they will have to buy Overseas Health Insurance which will cost around $10,000 every year.  

On a bridging visa, they are not allowed to leave Australia, even for a holiday.  They must apply for special permission (a BVB) every time they wish to leave the country.  If they leave without a BVB, they will not be permitted to return and will never be granted the full parent visa.

By the time the visa is ready to be granted, they will be over 80.  If they are still alive, they will have to pass a medical to get the visa. If they fail the medical - which at that age, they might - they will be sent back to Pakistan. 

 

Thanks, Maria for your message, I really appreciate you spending time to read and reply back.basic-visitor-cover-factsheet.pdf

I understand the consequences but as stated I support them and send them expenses every month but the main concern is that they are alone there and have no one to support them. At this age we want them to be with their children and not alone. We should be serving them in this age.

In regards to expense, I did check overseas visitor insurance and good cover insurance costs approximately $50 per week for the couple, please see fact sheet attached as it covers most of the things like Emergency, GP, Dental. It will cost me approximately $2500 - $3000 per year to cover them medically. 

I also understand travel restrictions, we are happy with that as they would be staying mainly with us and occasionally going to UK or Dublin every year which can be achieved by getting BVB.

Last point about passing medical at age of 80 approx, if they fail then we will go with some other options based on human rights as there is no way they will say to send back 80 year old couple after spending 15 years. The main point is even if we get time with them until 80 then it will be a wish come true.

I understand all the consequences but I believe there is workaround for everything as we are not willing to leave them alone there for the rest of their life. 

My question is, is it doable for them to travel on an existing visit visa and then apply for a permanent visa? If yes, do they fulfil the requirements? 

Hello Team,

I really need your help, please see the details below:

Situation

Parents Age

• Father Age: 67
• Mother Age: 63

We are 4 brothers and sisters:

• 1 sister lives in Australia from the last 5 years (Permanent Resident) with family. Both my sister and her husband are doing reputable, good earning jobs. 
• 1 brother lives in Australia from the last 4 years completed his graduation and is now on temerparay residency visa and working to apply for PR in the next 3-4 months. He is currently doing IT job, so financially he is settled.
• I live in the UK
• 1 sister lives in Ireland

As you can see, my parents are alone in Pakistan and I support them and have all the Western Union proof. They have travelled to the UK (twice) Ireland (3 times) / Australia (once). They applied for a visit visa again for Australia and were granted 2 years multiple entry visa (subclass 600) expiring on 13th March 2022 with the below conditions:

• 8101 - No work
• 8201 - Maximum three months study 

under length of stay is 3 months from the date of each arrival. 

Due to covid, they were not able to travel as the border were closed, now they are planning to travel there. Is there any option for them to permanently stay there with their daughter and son?

I will really appreciate it if someone can guide me as we all are worried about them especially after COVID as they are all alone there so we all want them to settle in Australia. Waiting for the response and guidance. Please feel free to ask for any more details.