BrummieInOz

On 17/04/2020 at 03:49, Marisawright said:

He does say, get the required work experience first, before you go for the WHV.   You are right, the OP wouldn't be able to work as a fully qualified plumber on a WHV, but he would be able to work for a plumber - and it would get him over to Australia instantly, instead of having to apply and twiddle his thumbs for a year or more while his application for a permanent visa goes through.    He could even apply for the permanent visa and take the WHV while he's waiting.

I'm not sure if I will go back to work in Australia on a WHV as mine expires in Jan and by the looks of things they won't be opening the borders anytime soon.

I'd happily work as a plumbing trade assistant as this would be better for me to learn. However I don't think I'll get sponsored and I see it pointless going to work for a few months just to come back, as I dont need the money exactly (That's not my main purpose of working over there).

I can't get a 2nd year WHV either as I'm too old... So I'm thinking of doing an english exam to get my proficient english 10 points I would need to get a total of 65, then get a job as a trade assistant if it got approved.

59 minutes ago, Joe/Rose said:

Oh, you only have an NVQ 2? Thats not sufficient, NVQ L3 is the minimum for a licensed trade I thought?

48 minutes ago, Lavers said:

It would be NVQ level 3 to pass your skill assessment, NVQ level 2 comes really early in your training (or at least it did for me as a Metal Fabricator/Boilermaker)

No I got my NVQ level 3 but someone told me I'm classed as qualified once I got my level 2.. take it, it isn't true

1 hour ago, Rossmoyne said:

Personally I don't think this is the right time to even think about emigratng to another country.   Let the world get through the china virus shit storm and then re-evaluate your situation.   Never give up on your dream, but consider that now is a time to consolidate and plan towards the dream.

Yeah I know. I wouldn't start any process until all this coronavirus situation was over. As I'd need a first aid certificate aswell. 

It's just that's the only thing on my mind right now, my future. And if to go back to my old job or try and go back to oz

1 hour ago, Joe/Rose said:

No, you don't get your money back mate.

Its a lengthy process that involves spending lots of money.

The best thing you can do is, get in touch with the DUC Down under training centre in London, they will help you understand the process & you can see from the outset whether you stand a chance, before spending money.  

The problem in my eyes with your case is, post apprenticeship experience! I'm a time served industrial electrician with 12 years post apprenticeship experience, with instrumentation experience on water production sites, I'm absolutely sure that this played a factor in my state nomination for NSW, as like Ausvisitor above, I only had 65 points & submitted an EOI at the start of Sep 19, received an invite at the end of Sep 19, thats fairly quick when other electricians who submitted similar applications with 70, 75 & 80 points for the same type of visa, did not get invited. 

Its all a risk to be honest, there are no guarantees.

That's abit worrying aswell, but I'd contact some centre or visa advisor before hand anyway like suggested.

I got my NVQ 2, 2 years ago and I believe I'm qualified from then but it's still only 2 years and even if it was 3 years I'd only have 60 points.

Theres no chance I'd pass the english. My only option would be to go back over when safe to do so and try my hardest to find a possible employer that is open to sponsoring me (long shot but seen jobs advertising willing to sponsor right candidate). 

I've got long family members but they are my moms cousins husbands relatives dont think they would count for family sponsorship.

Oh well, I'll keep looking at my other options before I contact and go back to my old company.. ie maybe a short college course to gain some extra points... or different visas available.

Again appreciate everyones input in this thread Helped me out alot

If the application expires or gets rejected do you not get your money back ?!? 

13 hours ago, Marisawright said:

With 65 points, you have absolutely no chance of a 189 visa.   You don't have to take the English test as a native speaker, but most people do because they need the points. By the way, don't assume you'll score highly in the test, either.  Lots of people don't. 

Your years of experience start from when you actually qualified, so you won't be able to apply for any visa until you've racked up the minimum required years.   

Agencies do not sponsor people.  There are a few unscrupulous agencies that promise to find work for you, they are a scam. 

It is possible to find an employer to sponsor you, that's a 482 visa. There are requirements for that visa too and you have to meet them - employers can't sponsor just anybody they feel like.  When you're on a WHV, you hear a lot of rumours about people who've arrived on a WHV and managed to get sponsored.  Most of them are just rumours - it does happen, but only for a very small number of people, who have arrived on their WHV with existing qualifications and experience.

Yeah I'm pretty screwed then as I just about got the 65 points based on my 3 years experience whilst completing my apprenticeship (which doesn't count) and I will struggle on the english test as it's not a strong subject for me.

Yeah I know that the companies won't sponsor anyone and I'd have to work for them for 2 years alswell after should they do so.

Thanks you have answered all my questions

Looks like my dream is shattered then

Need to change my username I reckon

7 hours ago, paulhand said:

You need to score highly (IELTS 8/8/8/8 or equivalent) in a formal English test to get the 20 points. The British passport gets you over the line for minimum English skill to apply, but gives you zero points. 

Thankyou for your help, I doubt I'll get any high scores as it wasnt my strongest subject at school and dint get very good grades.

6 hours ago, Ausvisitor said:

As others have said, don't assume 20 points is a given, I've got a degree and a master's in English Language and the first time I took the test I narrowly missed getting. The superior English mark. Plenty of teachers etc. have also missed out on full marks, so just because English is your main language don't assume you'll get full points

Yeah I was worried about taking a test as I'm not good. I heard about the passport and native language thing and hoped I could serve round taking the exam this way, but clearly not.

6 hours ago, Lavers said:

Does the 65 points take into 5 points for state sponsorship and also do you get 10 points with the new point system for being single?

Also when did you finish your apprenticeship? 

No I didnt include them as this is the first I've heard about it

However I finished my apprenticeship September 2019. So like someone mentioned this will not count towards my actual years of experience

9 minutes ago, Ausvisitor said:

In relation to the plumbing bit, I haven't a clue, but on the 189 vs 190 visa I can help with that

There is little actual difference between the 189 and 190 in practice (once granted) if you apply for a 190 in the state you want to live and work in. The only difference (after grant) between the two is that you have an obligation to live and work in your sponsoring state for 2 years on a 190, and this obligation does not exist for the 189. You aren't tied to a specific employer or region (so long as it's in the state). [Some people argue it's only a moral obligation rather than a requirement, but that's something only your own conscience can answer]

In terms of applying the main difference is that on the 189 you sit in a queue, that is really a series of queues. Everyone lines up in order of points accumulated, and within each point total you line up in date submitted. 

Each month (11th I think) they call a certain number from the queue and they take them from the top. Now if you have 90 points and have been in the 90 point queue for 18 months you are ahead of everyone in the queue who has less than 95 points. However if there are 101 people in the 95 point queue and they only call 100 forward you miss out that month even if the 100th invite goes to someone with 95 points who only submitted their EOI yesterday. {It's further complicated by pro-rata careers, but I don't think yours is one of those}

 

WIth the 190 it works differently, you submit your EOI and so long as you have the min points, you go into a "pot" at the state immigration team. They can dip in and out of this as required to fill perceived needs in their state. It isn't always the case that highest points win here, sometimes they need a specific career and so take anyone, or they want only superior english (but they don't publish what it is that they are making their decision on)

If you know the state you want, and you have a valid claim for a visa, then unless you are going to end up with 95+ points it is probably better to go for a 190 rather an a 189

 

 

Thanks for you detailed answer.

I only get 65 points, that depends on me getting the highest points (20) in english too. I read somewhere that I dont need to do a test if I hold a UK passport, seeing as though its my natural spoken language.

Makes sence for me to apply for a 190 then albeit the plumbing side is okay.

Hi folks,

I've just signed up to this site as a google search brought me here and I could do with your help please with a few questions. 

I turned 31 a couple of weeks ago and I was in Australia for 11 weeks earlier this year on my WHV. But I had to fly back due to the corona virus as I wasn't sure what was going to happen with the whole situation.

I am in 2 minds as too whether to go back on my WHV which is due to expire in Jan 2021 (maybe extended) and hopefully get sponsored or apply for a permanent skilled visa. 

Can I get sponsored by an agency? As that's mainly all the job advertisements I see. I love Perth but I'd have to work in Sydney as they dont require a plumbing licence and there is more my kind of plumbing work available there.... being New Build Construction Plumbing, like 1st, 2nd and 3rd fix on large scale sites.

I have an NVQ level 3 in Plumbing after completing my 3 year apprenticeship. Do them 3 years class as my experience within the trade or does it start from the date I am qualified?

Is the only difference between 189 and 190 visa the fact that, on 190 I am restricted into working with an employer for 2 years and can only work in a certain state?

Also, what first aid certificate would I require? Can I get one from anywhere in the UK or does it have to contain a specific australian related incidents, such as snake bites or something?

Again any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your time