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"It actually says that it estimates the Bill will not pass in its current form. Hardly a surprise. All Bills on contentious issues are subject to horsetrading. No one should expect that the Bill will be rejected in toto. Dutton is a powerful and determined Minister who has chalked up a number of successes lately and has significantly expanded his empire, (much to the chagrin of other senior Ministers) and Turnbull needs his support to fend off Abbott."
A while they're looking inwards................
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3 hours ago, Roberta2 said:
Maybe you should watch Annabelle Crabb's new program on how Parliament House operates!
Sure, just as soon as I've finished watching the paint dry!
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2 hours ago, bwatt99 said:
So for a wife who could have applied 1st june but if under new rules would be july 2018 to have the 4 yrs pr. I wonder if she should just go ahead and apply.
Depends....can you afford to lose whatever it is you may lose if her application is rejected?
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6 hours ago, wombatinabox said:
nteresting twist, even OneNation now opposes the retrospective/backdating nature of this bill and apps freeze. It's getting likely that the retrospective nature at the very least will get thrown out.
This is OneNation Senator's response to someone who tried emailing them with his objections about the bill (obtained from another immigration forum)
So it seems they're not opposed to the backdating but rather that applications could still be lodged after 20 June. What he is really saying is that they support the legislation and the freeze, but because there was in their view a stuff-up in allowing applications to be lodged post 20 April, they'll graciously support those who feel their application should be processed on the basis of prevailing legislation.
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The processing time frame is really starting to blow out now....
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On 22/07/2017 at 08:58, Parley said:
Given none of you can vote, do you really think politicians care what you think ?
Surely they would listen to voting citizens in their electorates.
Yes, they most likely would considering most if not all will be eligible to vote in the not too distant future. Don't forget just because an individual raising a concern on this forum may not be in a position to vote at present, there is a reasonable chance they have family members that may be eligible!
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3 hours ago, welljock said:
You could argue that if you qualify under the new regs (ie everyone who first came out on a PR visa) that's it's Labour that's holding up the your application
That would be a hard sale!
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6 hours ago, Parley said:
Malcolm has taken the Liberal party to the verge of a split.
I will be voting for either One Nation or Cory Bernadi at the next election unless Tony Abbott is back as PM before then.
Only then will I resume voting for the Liberals.
Why not Shooters and Fishers? Pauline's looney tunes!
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3 minutes ago, dredg97 said:
LOL...not just here, also the Government seems to be assuming that the PROPOSED changes to the Citizenship Act 2007 are already in place.
At the very least chrome dome and his pal Maly. I do hope they're shown a particular finger and the door!
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..." I do wish people would stop conflating a freeze with backdating"....
The one is symptomatic of the other....no?
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Where did you hear that rumour?
Remember the backdating is only one of a number of issues not least of which is the power potato head wants to hand himself!
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If citizenship applications can still be submitted they should do so without requiring immediate payment! Payment should only be required once the decision is made to proceed with the application.
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36 minutes ago, wombatinabox said:
This thing can easily get delayed till end 2017 - 2018.
Most of the frustration is due to the app freeze and back dating. In the end we suffer because our lives are on hold.
It seems current applications are in for the long haul. Potato head's pride is wounded, he'll argue just for the sake of it now!
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This has to do with the contempt of court case involving three govt ministers........This is due to Section 44 of the Constitution, which precludes anyone who is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer from remaining as an MP. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/06/16/turnbull-government-ministers-to-face-court.html#sthash.xPKxtpgF.dpuf....
If they're dual nationals they better watch out....Dutton may deem them undesirable and deport them!!!
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What's the bet on the proposed amendments getting referred to a parliamentary committee....any takers?
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7 hours ago, wombatinabox said:
Yes so far the bill has indicated that PR who did IELTS and passed have to resit the exam regardless if its still valid or not. Unless youre from an English speaking country like US, UK.
Pathetic I know but that's where they are going with this.
Someone earlier pointed out the irony of these proposals and the blanked inclusion of Canada as an English speaking country! These proposals would be more palatable if it at least appeared like some thought went into them....unfortunately, as is the case with politicians the world over, put your ignorance on display and hope that the majority that vote are more ignorant than you and don't notice!
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9 hours ago, Roberta2 said:
It's normal practice. Both major parties do it when in government, and it won't change. It is not backdating, because they announced on 20th April that applications made after 20 April would not be processed until a new law was in place. There are only three sitting days left in this parliamentary session after today- although it's not unlikely both houses will sit on Friday because there is a raft of contentious bills still going through, of which the proposed change to citizenship laws is only one. If the government makes enough concessions to meet ALP concerns, the Senate will be irrelevant. That applies to all these bills, of course.
It is retrospective application. Current legislation is being disregarded in anticipation of revised legislation...hence the referral to backdating!
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50 minutes ago, Amy Zhang said:
Thank you so much for your explanation. I think you are right. Well, let's just see how they explicitly explain the "exemption" part. I want to mention when I apply for the PR under the subclass 885 (skilled migration), I have done the skill assessment, which has already included the English requirement. If they ask me to do the test again, for me just like I pay the money to prove my skills again, which is annoying.
That would be the case for most!
As much of a waste of money as it would be....the testing is one thing!
The power that Dutton is trying to grab for himself is another. Most of the dimwits that support these changes for whatever reason (suspect ignorance is playing a big part) don't realize there is the potential for some of his proposals to impact on them as well!
The wheel will turn!
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1 minute ago, ian360 said:
Well I think it may be something specifically connected to English such as an English major degree etc, but logically it should be any major at an Australian university, because how on earth could you pass your degree without a good level of English in the first place?
That would be the logical conclusion......when it comes to Dutton????
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18 minutes ago, Amy Zhang said:
Well, interesting! What exceptions will the Australian government make especially re the English requirement? If they ask us to take IELTS again, it's just like no point for me. I took the IELTS test 7 years ago when I did the Master degree here. The language hurdle for my major is 7 overall. Now, if it asks me to do the test again, what do they want me to prove? After 7 years, my English is getting worse? I really do not see the necessity except taking $300 from my pocket! Again, why does the government think the potential terrorists could not have excellent English? Why do they think the English requirement could be a good hurdle for protect Australia from potential terrorists?
Same applies to the revised test questions they're making a fuss of! Anybody with half a brain will instantly recognize what the appropriate answer should be!
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16 minutes ago, ian360 said:
That seems a bit strange. I grew up in England, went to an English university, worked as an English teacher for many years - yet, I have to take a test to prove that I can speak English? Hahahaha! Sorry, it seems kinda funny if you think about it.
It's beyond funny if that turns out to be the case! It seems a real genius was at work coming up with the latest round of changes.
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4 minutes ago, ian360 said:
Does anybody know if British citizens will be expected to take the English test when applying for citizenship?
It seems so....only exception I'm aware is for Kiwis
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22 minutes ago, Parley said:
Labor are always saying No to whatever the government wants to do as a general tactic, so it wouldn't really surprise if they do again.
They run the risk of being seen as un Australian though. These laws are meant to protect Australia against potential terrorists so I think they are more likely to support the changed.
Problem is they're already here if the plan is to catch them at the citizenship stage! I don't see how these changes are going to protect the country or its inhabitants. Surely if that's the intention it would make more sense to spend more time vetting PR/Student/Work Visa applications more closely?
These changes make little sense unless the plan is to score some cheap points from the don't care/don't know lobby....if it seems like a good idea it must be!
Most that enter the country on a skilled migration visa have to wait 4 years anyway...so no real change there (mostly impacts 457s it seems).
If Dutton gets his way citizens could be deported in situations where they hold dual passports!
It's a real concern when a politician lobbies for unchecked power! It's perhaps time for Dutton to move on!
Changes to pathway to Citizenship
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As Roberta pointed out, it's unlikely to be scrapped in its entirety. This pony has a little ways to run yet!!!